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Or, it could be a "rally cry" to fight harder against us... I can see them easily spiniing themselves as "the victim" in re: the decision... especially on the MSM... both now, and should SCOTUS eventually rule in our favor in the slightest way. I'll try to get some sleep, BTW... More like, "when SCOTUS enforces our (existing) inailiable right upon those govts. that seek to restrict it..."

I still have one of your peanut candies in my coat pocket. I'll keep it there until you return safely.

That's the problem... *Either* side might see some value. the "Anti" justices might want to take on the case just as much for their own purposes. So, even if cert is granted, we still have a way to go before we can breathe a sigh of relief. Fingers crossed.

Will there be a "podcast" for this weekend?

We most likely won't know until 9:30am, Monday morning, when the conference report is released.

P226 for me. I have the std. 9mm with night sights, and I love it.

Correct. Even the clerks aren't allowed to attend.

I'm still not convinced. If it's one of the "families" of the liberals they're going after, the MSM will be the watchdog there and counteract anything the NSA could try,or anyone else for that matter. Besides, the NSA is under a boat load of scruitiny now, anyway. Frankly, I think the MSM will be there in either case, simply because they're all anti-NSA now. Besides, I think anyone in the family of a SCOTUS justice already knows what they're in for. I'm sure the family gets just as vetted as the justice themself when going through confirmation hearings. And anything since then would be subject to MSM scruitny anyway.

Why would it matter to them? They're all at the ultimate in their careers, now anyway... What difference does it make? Unless it's stuff for which they could be "impeached" or "disbared," and I'd figure that would already have come to light in the confirmation hearings... As for the NSA manufacturing stuff.... if it's of a severity to get any of them impeached or disbared, then we're all in a lot more trouble than this one decision.

How many votes are required to get a case heard? My understanding is that it's not a "full majority" of SCOTUS, but some kind of "sub-majority" like 3-4 of whatever sub-committee of justices are evaluating cases.... Update: According to my Googling, it takes only 4 of 9 justices to grant cert, based on a SCOTUS conference.... So, assuming Scalia, Thomas, and Alito all vote for cert, we only need either Roberts *or* Kennedy, not necessarily both. Fingers crossed.

One concern in re: item 3).... eh... 2) I think... - If there must be a "firearm owner" designation on that Govt. ID I'd have an issue, as many others (whom I'd not want to know I am a gun owner) demand that govt. ID as poof of identity. I'd prefer a separate card. Just as easy for the ATF to come in and photo capture the book anyway, no? Certainly of the big Internet dealers, etc....

Just curious... Assuming cert is granted and the case heard, how do you think the vote will go down? That is, I assume that the liberal side would vote against it. I'm just wondering who they might get to flip from the conservatives, if it is to be denied after hearing... Roberts perhaps? Obviously I can't see Scalia or Thomas flipping. I, too, remain cautiously optimistic that cert will be granted, but I honestly have no clue what they'll do.

The P2P is issued and collected (normally) by the "local PD" (or local NJSP Barracks) of the registrant. That's their record. I don't believe the local PD is part of any NICS checking at the point of purchase. Thus, they wouldn't even know you purchased a weapon if they didn't receive their copy of the P2P at some later point from the FFL, unless the NJ NICS process also sent them an alert, somehow. Not sure how, though. I don't think the local PD or P2P info. is input for a NJ NICS check (can FFL's here verify please?)... So, the P2P is the local PD's registration data point. NICS (including NJ NICS), I believe is simply the final check of eligibility for a weapon (mostly for the FFL's benefit) before the weapon is physically handed over.

In some cases, if you'e moving from one location with one utility to another location with a different utility (i.e. PSEG<-->JCPL, etc.), you might be able to use the original utility as a "reference," therefore negating the need for a "deposit." I've done that on occasion. Might be worth checking out. It will be fun when I finally leave NJ for Florida (sometime in the distant future). I'll have to hope my NJ utility references can be honored. .

And it even says so, on the very form itself - "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register"

Excellent!

Well, let's put it this way. My UT check was "endorsed" on 03/28 (according to the stamps on the backing), but posted to my checking account on 04/04.The 1st clearing house mark indicates "04/02," which would be the standard FRB 2 day clearance. So, my 60 Day UT clock probably starts on 04/02, 60 days would be just about when I'm returning from a Florida Trip... Florida's check was "endorsed" on 03/21 (two days after Courrier Receipt) and posted 3 days later on 03/24. So, I guess 90 days from that point. Looks like I'll have to wait until the next trip to use that one...

Updates as of this morning (just about 1 month since they were submitted) FL is still where they are... "Received and in process." UT is still saying "60 days from when the payment is processed..." but gave no indication as to where they are. AZ offered a bit more insight. The spoksperson there said "we are now processing apps received on 02/19." So it may be another month before mine is even touched. We'll see.

My family being a "Doberman" family, I know that there are things you have to watch out for as they get older... certain issues associated primarily with dobies. Are there any such issues for Huskies?

Not surprising.... Of course, you know what "season" this is... and what's due two days from now... And what Maks does for a living...

Precisely! Outside of a few family members, my two references, my lawyer, the range and shop/website personnel I patronize, and the local PD (and of course those on this forum ), no one knows I own guns. Certainly not any of my "nosy neighbors" know (most are hard core "progressives/anti's"). When I'm expecting a pkg from UPS, I make sure I accept delivery of it personally, so that it isn't ever "left with a neighbor" either deliberately or "accidently." I'm carefull to ensure that I'm not loading/unloading my shotgun case in the back of the SUV while neighbors are outside (I have to raise the garage door to do it). If I ever do get a full size safe, I'll have to take measures to ensure my neighbors don't see what's being delivered. This also brings to mind the issues with local PDs that do "more than they should" in re your FPID application.... like contacting your employer, etc. I have heard that some departments will interview neighbors (ie. those not necessarily identified as the "references"). Totally unacceptable if the neighbor wasn't declared as one of the references, for this very reason. If my thinking seems "extreme," I only point back to the days when I was a HAM operator. I lived in a garden apartment complex. At the time, I only had the license and no equipment, antennae or anything. One time, one of my HAM periodical(s), was "mis-delivered" to one of my neighbors by the USPO. Not sure which one, but I did receive it in my box, eventually, with the following written on it (in red ink): The next day I got a PO Box. Have had it ever since.

I have a crawl space room that's surrounded by cinder block, and barely tall enough to fit a 28" barrel. One door in, which I've fitted with a combination lock/latch. As with anything, it won't stop a determined thief. I don't think anything will. But it will keep out whom I want to keep out. I also have individual Stack-on safes for the pistols and a Gunvault which I keep bolted near my bed (not biometric - I'm told they're bad). I'll consider a full sized safe when I own a few more long guns, and after considering where I'm moving to when I leave NJ and head for "America."

Last time I talked with the UT BCI people, they said "watch for the check to clear." When it does, figure 5-6 weeks from that point. My check was "endorsed" on 03/28 and posted to my acct. on 04/04. No word from them, but I may call on Monday to get a status. The FL website says exactly what it always has, since the check cleared. "Received and in process." I have not heard a peep out of Arizona. That was a USPS money order and, for some reason, their "Money Order Inquiry System" doesn't seem to work. It keeps coming up with "No information available" on that money order. Nor has it provided info on any recent money order. Worthless POS.

I would guess it's a bit more "advantageous" for the NJSP (and/or other agencies) to call and not send "form letters," since that affords them a better opportunity to draw out the callee and gain more info via "social engineering" than what is put on the standard reference form. They can also, perhaps, read the voice "tells" of the callee as well. Now, if all they're doing is just reading he questions off the form, then why bother calling? I think they get more input from calling than from the written form. That, and the bureaucracy saved by not having to send out docs, receive them back, and ensure they're filed properly.

We missed you, man. And you missed my nephew's debut! 1st time shooting ever, and he bagged two "triples" and several doubles. He beat the snot out of me with my own 930! Thanks to Drez and all that helped make it a joyous experience for both me and my nephew. He will be back, as will I, in June. PBKid, glad I could see you off. Travel safe, and best of luck down there. We should go shooting as I travel through.