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100' would have to be a home run from the meter to generator since 1" only supports up to 126,000BTU at a 100' you still have to increase size of pipe from meter to homerun. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk If you consider a trim nail being able to puncture gas pipe safe go for it. I was on a job once and someone else was installing cabinets. They shot a nail right through the Gasflex. Luckily we were there since the carpenters just ran out of the house. When these latest and greatest pipes reach 75 years of widespread use maybe I will consider using them. Well maybe the next generation since it will take another 50 years before that time comes. Polybutelene pipe was safe until the Chlorine in municipal water ate it away from the inside. CPVC was good to go until it starting splitting down the middle due to seasonal temperature changes. HEPex was the cheap way to install radiant until the fittings started to fail. PEX has lasted the longest so far, but there are cancer lawsuits in the works. You can shoot trim nails at Black Pipe all day long and nothing will happen except the nail will bend. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

By hand threader I mean a power one. That small amount of pipe you could also thread by hand. You don't need a power vise but they make life easier. Power hand threader gives you the ability to thread in place. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

It would be very expensive. It does not bend like the Gasflex Crap. Every time you made a turn would be $100. Home Depot will cut and thread for free, but personally I would rent a hand threader. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Correct. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Increasing 3/4" run does nothing. You can start with proper size and decrease as appliances drop off (your past them), but can not start small and increase the pipe after it doesn't do anything. A 275 meter is meant for 275,000 BTU draw. Above poster is correct about regulators as I mentioned earlier. However they need to be at each appliance to work properly. Especially with undersized piping. I believe what he meant to say is outdoor appliances are run underground. If anyone is South of the Raritan or North of Jackson I would be happy to do the work, but we are currently booked the rest of the year. We are a 4th generation Plumbing & Heating (Hydronic Only) Company. Underground Poly is the only new fangled (lol) material we will use. We do not use flexible gas pipe, PEX, or CPVC above ground in the house.

No but if you want to be to code it should be done. Just the generator alone needs 1". If you are using furnace and generator it needs 1 1/4" to furnace Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

You have to have minimum 1 1/4" to furnace or homerun from meter to generator up to 315,000. 275,000 sounds low. Usually it's 120 Furnace, 60 range, 45 dryer, and 40 water heater. Then your adding probably 120 for generator. I estimated low at 365,000. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

What is your total BTU? I estimate 385,000 which means you should increase the gas pipe to 1 1/2" from the meter to the furnace then if everything is 1" after that simply tap the 1" and continue that to the generator Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

That will work. Post as jpg I can then mark it up with photo editor. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Of course you can tap off the dryer but you shouldnt. If you do you will likey have to increase all the gas pipe. Plus that is likely a 1/2" line. You basically need to run a homerun back to the meter in most likely 1" gas pipe and if you don't have 1" coming out of the house side of the meter you need to increase it to 1" at least until the first tee that goes to the generator and the rest of the house. You may have to run 1 1/4" you have to add up the total pipe distance from meter to generator then go to chart for generator and bbq. Rent, buy, or borrow a hand threaded and cut and thread in place. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yes you could. So your meter is in the basement? If so you cut existing pipe at meter, increase pipe out of meter to appropriate size, install say 1 1/4" x 3/4" tee (assuming existing is 3/4") tie existing back into new tee, continue 1 1/4" line to generator. Labor is more but material is less. Assuming unfinished basement and hanging pipe at bottom of joists it could still be done for $1,000. If finished basement or drilling joists it would be more. Alright who deleted the best and most deserved statement I've seen yet? Unless bhunted asked for it to be removed Mod really should put it back. I would have screen shot it if I thought the censors were going to remove it. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Your on the other side of the Raritan I believe. If so I don't venture into North Jersey, but if trench was dug we would provide and install pipe for around $1,000. Material is expensive because of the elbows they run $100 each. Hope that helps with your estimate search. Glad I'm not the only one who finds him senseless and annoying. Just add to block list. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Or when plumbing/electrical/building inspector drives by or zoning officer and sees shiny new generator on the side of the house. Generators need 100% load at startup, but I'm sure it will be fine with 50% (sarcasm). Every house is different. Make generator first hit direct off meter and you only have to change pipe outside between meter and house. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Don't forget to count the future bbq grill. You can use regulators as an alternative but they have to be at every appliance and are costly. We had to increase gas pipe on a house from 1 1/4" to 2 1/2" because they added a 30kw generator, (2) tankless water heaters, bbq grill, and Eiklor 5 burner fireplace insert. Most fireplaces are 25,000BTU the Eiklor is 75,000BTU. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

You measure from and increase the size of the pipe after the meter. 1 1/4" line will cover a 7kw generator but remember that 1 1/4" in size is until you get to the generator. If generator is last hit main trunk before that has to increase to 1 1/4". If you run from meter to generator 1 1/4" only has to be for generator and rest of pipe can remain because generator becomes the first hit. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

You measure actual pipe from the meter. Is your gas meter in the basement? My guess is you only have 3/4" or 1" gas pipe correct? Right now you are running a minimum 225,000BTU assume that generator adds 120,000BTU that is a total load of 345,000BTU. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Not even close. 8kw generator is about 120,000BTU entire average range is 60,000BTU. Running a single burner 5,000-25,000BTU (Power Boil Burner). You need to add up the total BTU on the line and take total distance. Easiest way is it tap off the line at the meter. You will usually still have to increase gas pipe, but only for a short distance, because generator is the first hit. Also regulators can be used. If you are installing a 10kw generator BTU jumps to 200,000BTU, 20KW approx 320,000BTU. That's why salesmen will push the 8kw, but if you want to run entire house it is usually way undersized. I have yet to encounter a house generator can't be installed, but many times meter must be increased in size and it is a matter of cost. 40' from meter on meter side will require proper sizing and piping should be underground if the 40' is away from the house. If other side of the house and 40' is through the basement regulators are the best bet. Otherwise all piping must be increased because no longer is generator first hit. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

If Adelaide Byrd is allowed to judge a cock fight after last night it is proof boxing is fixed. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

They absolutely could be water lines for the "experts". They could be lead water lines and galvanized drain line. However they are capped with what looks to be electrical fittings, but the light grey could be Schedule 80 PVC. It is a mechanical joint. Unscrew it and see if there is wire inside. Edit: Late to the party. I see it was unscrewed and they were electric. It would have been unlikely the Black plastic caps would have held back water. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

My mistake. I thought it was during the first assault weapons ban. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Did he comply? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

That's a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. Not a vehicle that runs on water. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

In fantasy land they have vehicles that run on water. If anyone could make it work they would likely meet an untimely death, but if they did bring it to market they would be a multi billionaire. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Very nice. If you ever decide to get rid of any WWII 16" bayonets or cutdowns let me know. Need both for my collection Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Dingbat? Anti Second Amendment Lurker? Was that directed towards me? If so you are way off base on both. I am about the truth and it seems there is little of that being posted here. Let's try being honest the case referenced was about a divorce. The other cases he filed for Cert with the Supreme Court were about his business dealings. The reason I posted the info and docket number was to show receiving a docket number means very little. Forum members should have all the information before they decide where to donate their hard earned money. I supported this action. Posted about it on other forums. I think the past SCOTUS Petitions should have been mentioned up front. I shouldn't have stumbled across it on another forum through a Google Search. Yes it would have factored into my decision to give this even a second thought.

Too hot in Florida. PA is good enough for me. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk