MauserCollector

Fair enough. Why haven't they been going after the big money donors? Why not put their own on it? Yes I can say with relative certainty they have not gone after the real money because if they did there would be plenty for lawsuits, and not talk of how we have to use our funds wisely. Any non profit that has those who profit greatly I always question motives. This does not include CNJFO. However it does include ANJRPC. Scott Bach is making a living off of them. I showed this before through their 990 filings. Those in leadership positions are dealers. They are making money off the Unconstitutional Laws of this state. Maybe that is why nothing was done during the 8 years of a GOP governor. How about when Whitman was governor and controlled the legislature? We lost ground then too. I know at least one ANJRPC board member was involved back then as well. We only maintained the status quo because of Chritie's national ambitions. In reality though Christie's first couple years we did lose ground. It never should have happened, especially if people were manning their posts. Christie's AG should not have been able to stop CMP shipments to American Citizens Homes with zero pushback from the group's that are supposed to be representing our interests. Can anyone name a single win we had in NJ in the last 8 years? NH does not count, nor do Christie's vetos. I will gladly retract and apologize as soon as I see the lawsuits being filed. Until then I see it as more of the same old same old. Which has led to my decision to leave rather than fight, and I was all for fighting just a few months ago. From the looks of the number leaving I am not the only one who came to this decision. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Is there a docket #? Signatures and stamps from court clerk? Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Exactly my point. Thank you for elaborating on the stale leadership. They have their way that isn't working, and suggestions are taken and ignored or refuted. I have donated funds in the past and most recently to Mark Cheeseman's lawsuit. While a couple of the higher ups from ANJRPC donated as well, only Rosie with CNJFO mentions the "other" lawsuit. Maybe there is a grand plan in place for lawsuits out the wazoo, but I have a bad feeling there will be another rally before another lawsuit. I know lawsuits can't be filed until bills become law, but there are plenty of lawsuits that can be filed based on existing law. Yes I am annoyed by the thousands I have spent on C&R Transfers. I'm even more aggravated by the hundreds I've spent on having.an antique transferred. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

No I'm done. I offered to try and fund raise with large donors. I made calls and sent emails. Most went unanswered or I got a form response. I have thrown out ideas. My last response was to someone else, not yourself. Don't like it don't read it. I will do the same. My efforts are going to be focused on myself and getting the hell out. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Thank you. These guys seem to think us collectors are a small subset of firearms owners. Membership of C&R Forums says otherwise. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

You are 100% correct. I've been though just a 1/3 that you have but at this point does it really matter if I buy another handgun or rifle? Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Even better. They have plenty of extra money to donate if these morons aren't accepting their money. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

We have the Koch Brothers and Sandy Adelson. There are other untapped resources out there as well. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

That is the problem with raising money $50-100 or even $1,000 at a time. We need big donors to attack from all fronts. No one even wants to go after the big donors, and yes any lawsuit in this case forces the state to defend. I am all for burying someone in lawsuits if it is part of a means to an end. We need to go after them personally. File suits against every police chief that has allowed constant delays for subsequent handgun permits. The one suit filed was in regards to initial FPID, so it has not been decided. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

No just firearms, ammo, and accessories. Range memberships, training, and insurance will be next poll. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Another excellent lawsuit that has never been filed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

SCOTUS won't hear 2A case til Kennedy is replaced. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Yeah as I'm figuring just the firearms the number is a lot higher than I thought. I haven't even gotten to the Finnish bayonets at $200-400 each. Probably does need more levels. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Feel free to add more. I got tired of typing. You could add $20-50k and over $50k. Let's call it the last 3 year average. So to be over $50k one would have to have spent $50k per year for the last 3 years or $150k Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

So I guess we aren't as small of a group as others seem to believe. Especially if per collector spend is factored in as a percentage of overall spending. I haven't bothered to get mine because the law is too unclear regarding purchases while out of state. My understanding is longguns are ok but handguns are not. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

I am all for CCW lawsuits and every other type of lawsuit. Including personal suits and even frivolous suits just to force the state to defend. You seem to be trying to change my words to I only care about C&R lawsuit. That is not the case. To the contrary I want more lawsuits. Maybe if I see them happening I will make more donations. For now one lawsuit does not excite me. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Not sure how to post an anonymous poll but I am curious what the average NJGF member spends on Firearms, ammo, and accessories. Could someone maybe make a poll. $0-500 $500-1000 $1,000-2,000 $2,000-5,000 $5,000-10,000 $10,000-20,000 $20,000 or more Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Yes we are, and also free not to give a dime to groups not interested in our interests. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Sadly you are correct. Though the trend is reversing on the bigger ticket items like cabinets, furniture, tools, etc. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I think you are thinking too small and that small thinking has us where we are at. The state is broke. If the state was hit from every angle they would have to say No Mas. The federal government gave into Scientology. I think the Feds have just a tad more funding than the state. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

You are probably right. Yet the people making the decisions should realize many collectors spend a disproportionate amount on firearms and have more disposable income than many firearms owners. The lack of interest in collectors by these groups is a reason why myself and many other collectors won't give to the NRA and will continue to not give to organizations that have done little for us. At this point I am out of suggestions. It seems most are happy with the status quo and raising money in $100 increments and holding onto the slim hope of one or two lawsuits. I will instead vote with my feet. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Are there other federal licenses recognized by most states but not all? I'm just curious. I can't think of any. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

I agree there are many more arguments that can be made. I feel though we should bury the state in lawsuits. As for C&R Argument can be made if not for the restrictive laws and refusal to recognize Federal license NJ is putting limits on ones ability to collect, especially those of lesser means. Lawyers for the other side would turn that into a racial issue. Carry and Pistol Permit fees should also have lawsuits. Especially in NYC and Chicago. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

As others said try and keep it at least under $20. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

10A does not Trump 2A. It is sad that we need SCOTUS to clarify something so simple as "shall not be infringed". Following the thinking that it is a 10A issue then states can also pass laws that limit freedom of speech, the press, and religion as well. They can not. Just as they can not regarding the right to keep and bear arms. SCOTUS has erroneously ruled in the past and treated the Second Amendment as a second class amendment when compared to the first. Hopefully this will change with lawsuits coming out of other states such as California. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

It's not just additional regulatory burden, but also a failure to recognize Federal license. Which causes excessive cost on lower income individuals in NJ vs other states. Not to mention the shall not be infringed part of the Second Amendment. I see multiple grounds. As far as bitching it is simple they don't have to file lawsuits, and I and others don't have to send in money that we expect to be used for lawsuits. So my so called bitching is just looking for an answer so I can make an informed decision. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk