Sniper

Exactly right, the OP needs to go READ S446 before he goes calling others "a piece of shit". S446 does NOTHING to help us here in NJ. If it was passed, we're still screwed and can't CCW.

Absolutely true, and one of the biggest points in deciding what type of system to get. What I believe is the major point is on the rare occasion someone gets their house broken in or robbed, video evidence will be the biggest help in catching the crooks, and the easier it is to save, retrieve and give the evidence to the LEOs, the better chance the dudes get caught and you get your stuff back. Most cops, when they see the video, will already know who the bad actors are in town, which will help them make a quick recover. While that maybe be true, the systems can be use for more than just catching bad guys. If I'm in the house, I can watch what the rugrats are doing in the backyard and see what's going on around my pool. I use the live video to watch my pool robot. Occasionally it gets hung up and stops vacumming. I can see the pool on video when sitting at my desk and know if I have to go out there and free it. Other times I can check to see what trouble the dog is getting into in the back yard without having to go out there. That's another good use, to see if the Amazon package was dropped off on the porch or the next case of ammo came via UPS. Wait, you just gave me a great idea.... let me get to my workshop.... STAT !!

Very true. It's been sitting in the Senate, dead since last December. If the REPUBLICAN controlled Senate had ANY intention of passing it, they would have in the last year. Or, since they now know they lost the House to the Dems, they should be voting on it NOW, before January. Is it on the schedule for the next few weeks? I also agree with that. Thinking that the peons of the country have ANY input in the actions in D.C. is clueless. NR was such a long shot... when they tried back in 2013 they didn't have the votes necessary. Now, with the increased focus on mass shootings, there ain't a ice cubes chance in Hell of it being passed in the Senate. The SCOTUS will never touch the case... just like very other 2A case they punt on.. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, that's just reality folks!

Sadly, that's way, way , way too common today and I believe will have HUGE negative effects on the kids in their futures.

"what firearms are you talking about honey? That's a cabinet for my...... fishing poles... yeah, that's it!"

Does keeping the stuff away from the wife count too?

What's nice with the DVR systems is 1) The recordings are saved locally on your DVR, not on the Cloud somewhere. You also have a lot more storage space before the system overwrites old video. Plus, you get a lot of adjustability from the system regarding contrast, brightness, sensitivity, gridding out sections so motion doesn't trigger (like with a flag waving or trees moving), play back multiple cameras at the same time, etc. You can even tie the DVR into your home alarm system, so if the alarm goes off, it triggers all cameras to start recording. These systems have the ability to watch single cam, 4 cam, 9 cam, 16 cam and move the camera positions to where you want on the screen, and a whole ton more. You can also wire the video output to multiple TV's in the house, so besides accessing from your phone, tablet, DVR or computer, you can change the input on your TV, and see the live video while sitting in bed. I believe if someone is serious about home security and protection, they should spend a few more bucks and get a complete, wired and flexible system, not skimp with a novelty system, like what the wireless systems are. I know MY family and personal belongings are worth a few extra dollars of investment.

This is true, but on the other hand, how many times have we went to the voting booth expecting/hoping for a different outcome, but just getting the same (bad) results? That's the true "Definition of Insanity", doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result. At some point, it's going to have to move from the ballot box to the ammo box, just like in 1776, if we are to want/expect a different result.

Actually, some of the comments to that video expressed the same concerns. Not to mention the "programming", where the child develops responses to the stimulus on the phone, and doesn't develop problem solving skills or critical thinking skills.

This is just so sad, and really something to consider when giving kids access to phones.. It's a quick minute and half video:

I think you also missed THIS layer:

That too.. if they want to work that hard for an extended period of time, so be it. Being on Candid Camera can also ruin the bad guy's day too!

That sounds kinda personal... Actually, you reminded me, I have to check mine. It was still creeping forward after the drive lever was released last season.

My preference is to use a cabinet that DOESN'T look like a gun safe, this way if anyone is nosing around, they won't automatically equate it as holding guns like a traditional safe broadcasts. Usually, if someone breaks in, it's a tweaker looking for a quick score. If he doesn't know what he's looking at, and it's just a plain cabinet, they'll leave it alone. If someone is serious about stealing your firearms, if there's a will, there's a way. That's why I prefer "hide in plain sight".

There's a 4 camera system in that link that's not bad for $322. It comes with 4 cameras but has a 8 channel DVR, which is good in case you want to add any additional cameras. One of the biggest advantages to these is being able to bring up live view of multiple cameras at the same time, and not be restricted on how long you can watch the live video.

I went out to read the specs on the Blink system, because I was curious. I really had to dig around to find information on their ability to record and save. Seems like that's not a primary feature they're promoting. They will allow live time viewing, but for only a short period, 30 seconds. You have to constantly keep hitting "continue" to get the live feed. And I believe, you can only view one camera at a time if you have multiple cameras. They only record in 5 second increments, with a max of 60 seconds, and their server is limited on how much you can save.

Fishing the wires really isn't that hard, just like running speaker wire. If you have a attic or crawl space/basement, it isn't all that bad. Just takes a few hours to hang cameras and run cable. Plus, you'll want to hard wire back to your router too, so you can access the video from your phone. So, DVR location is important, as you run all the camera wires back to it plus the Cat. 5 cable to the router, plus you'll need a monitor/TV to view the video and be able to adjust settings. Regarding which systems, it first depends on what you're looking to "watch". Cameras come in different resolutions, styles, colors and fields of view. So choosing a camera depends on the area you want to cover. Make sure the DVR has at least 1TB of storage, 2TB, or more, even better, if you run multiple cameras. Some of the standard systems from Lorex, Swann or Q-See will be fine for the average home owner. One really important part is to really think about camera location and what you want to see/record. The camera systems come in multiples of 4, so you can get a 4, 8, 16, 32 channel system. Make sure you plan to have a few extra channels from your original idea. You'll always go, "I want another camera here" and if your system is maxed out, oops... Another way to start, if your not sure, is to buy a 8 channel DVR system that comes with 4 cameras as a starter. This way you have 4 more channels to add different, expansion cameras if need be. I have a bunch of different camera styles (bullet, dome, mini) on my primary system, depending on what I want to see at each location.

Not sure what you're getting at. We would all like our constitutional rights supported, but so far from what I can see, more and more "rights" keep getting taken away, and all the peeps do is bitch a little. Does that qualify as "spoken"? Has any unconstitutional gun law been repealed or reversed after the "masses have spoken"? I don't know of any.

The toughest part about video surveillance is deciding what you want to "see". Sometime more is too much. Traditionally, video surveillance is used to record just the possible entrance ways (windows and doors) into the structure and specific outdoor items (like parked cars in the driveway). So, for watching the structure, you would position the cameras so they can see along the outside walls, picking up a run of windows or doors, ideally mounted under the eaves for protection from the elements. Watching a wide area like a backyard or driveway takes cameras and systems able to handle higher resolutions and different fields of vision, plus extended night vision. So, it comes down to deciding what's more important, security or general observation when designing/choosing components of the system. I've changed out cameras a bunch of times on my primary system to do some tweaks on what I want to see, grid out what I don't want motion triggered by the cameras, and having better zoom capabilities on a few. Ha... the spiders drive me nuts. When they spin their webs, it can trigger the motion on the camera. The IRs for the night vision attract flying bugs, then the spiders set up webs to catch the flying bugs. It's a regular process cleaning webs from the cameras. I get about 60 - 80 feet on my motion sensors for the one camera I'm looking the farthest with. With many systems, the sensitivity of the motion trigger is adjustable, depending on where it's located. This is true. Comparing a wireless system to a wired system is comparing apples to horseshoes based on what's included and the capability of the systems. Average 4 camera wired systems with a DVR come in around $300, depending on resolution, although I feel a 4 camera system isn't usually enough to cover a standard house with complete coverage, a 8 channel system should be considered. The other big issue I've seen with wireless systems is the fact that sending video over WiFi takes a lot of data/power. Video signals are data heavy, and if there is a weak WiFi signal, the video will lag and break up, just like Youtube videos do when you have a weak WiFi or weak 4G signal. Except, we're talking about the security of your house, not a clip from the football game. Not a time to take a chance with data loss.

Oh, I definitely am on your side.. But, I'm also a realist.. That comes with age and experience...

Here's a quick tip, getting a majority vote in Senate or getting enough votes to pass so it can be handed off for signing by the President into law, are two different animals. It's nice that we all get to walk around all 50 states CCW, due to that bill being passed in the Senate in 2013.. Oh, wait.. Also from that link: .... "However, _McClatchy _confirmed through interviews that most of those Senate Democrats who once voted in favor are now opposed, due to a combination of escalating mass shootings and a greater consensus within the Democratic Party over the past few years. That near-lack of bipartisan support would make it significantly more difficult for the measure to overcome a possible Senate filibuster. " Please let me know when you see this:

He wins the prize!

Apparently some people in this thread missed some details from that link: Votes and odds of passage The legislation passed the House on December 6 by a 231–198 vote. Six Democrats voted in favor, while 14 Republicans voted against. It had first attracted 213 cosponsors: 210 Republicans and three Democrats. It now goes to the Senate, although they do not plan to take up the bill until spring 2018. The version introduced in the Senate has attracted 39 of the 52 Senate Republicans as cosponsors, Didn't Spring 2018 already pass??????? Plus, there were 14 Repubs in the House that didn't vote for it. I won't even touch on how the Senate was leaning... ....."A 2013 Senate vote on the measure received more ‘aye’ than ‘nay’ votes, by a 57–43 margin, but needed 60 votes to pass." See, wasn't that easy??? Maybe it will pass THIS TIME with 60 votes right after you see this:

When?

That's the only correct way to go. If watching or recording video of a possible theft or intrusion into your home is the reason to get cameras, isn't it worth a few hundred dollars to do it the right way? Why monkey around with some hit and miss wireless cameras, where you're not sure if it picked up the important action or if your WiFi might cut out, or the signal is blocked by a wall or the battery died? Saving a few bucks and being a cheapskate when it comes to home security is absolutely nuts. Spend a few hours and run some cables, get a real DVR to record and save, and to easily access, copy and review the video. Get some decent cameras that will watch all important access points of your house. Video footage is the BEST way to catch a thief and PROVE his guilt. Guys here spend THOUSANDS on play toys that just go BANG, but aren't willing to spend a few hundred to protect their home, family and belongings?? Really??????