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Probably will, right after people blow through their paychecks buying toilet paper. If you're doing that NOW, you're already behind the curve...

I certainly hope not too, but my concern is since 2/3rds of the population live paycheck to paycheck, and doesn't have $400 saved for a emergency, if these economic conditions continue to erode, and they aren't working for weeks, just how soon do they start to panic, and go on their own hoarding excursions? Having hungry kids at home can make people to desperate things....

This is exactly what I said the other day. The actual test means nothing, except for a data point for future study. The treatment is the SAME for any virus or illness. A positive or negative test doesn't change how you'll treat yourself for the symptoms. And most of the people who test positive have minor symptoms, so it's NOT a Ebola situation. There's WAY too much focus and blame going around on this test bullshit versus focusing on what all the panic and hype is doing to the national economy.

Yep... Look at this picture, we're at apocalypse status if Costco has to put armed police to guard the toilet paper :

My point wasn't about the actually learning and teaching, it was more around the childcare for all these grade school kids. How long can parents stay home from their jobs? Plus, the same for businesses, not everyone can do all their job duties from home for an extended period. Some examples are retail salespeople, clerical people, support people, etc.

Just as a point of reference, to go with all the panic hoarding, here's the current stats of the seasonal Flu versus the Covid as of yesterday: As a comparison, the seasonal Flu WORLDWIDE: There are reported to be some 1 billion influenza infections worldwide each year, with up to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year, tens of thousands of U.S. deaths, and 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide. In the USA: CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu. Now, the current Covid WORLDWIDE: Coronavirus had infected 128,392 people globally and killed 4,728 as of Friday morning, The U.S. had over 1,701 confirmed coronavirus cases and 40 deaths. So, for some reason, people don't worry about the seasonal flu, yet are running with their hair on fire with the Covid?

My point was, I see many people thinking that it will be only a two week closing or vacation for the kids, then think come April, everything will be back to normal. So they use two weeks of vacation, and think everything will be normal in two weeks. Then, what happens when they're told it's an additional two weeks or a month???

I believe this is the BEST way to handle it. And yes, there have been false positives and negatives from the test, so it's not absolute. A lot of the spread in China came from the hoards of people who ran to the hospital when they had any type of symptom, and sat next to all the other coughing and spewing people. They looked at the data from South Korea the past month or two. What it showed was that for all the people who came in showing virus symptoms for testing, only 4% tested positive for the Covid. That means 96% had either the seasonal flu, a common cold, or similar. Plus, over 80% who test positive get better without any medical intervention. Even on the Diamond Princess in Japan, which is a great source of data, since they were quarantined, of the people who tested positive, half never showed ANY symptoms. So, the best advice if you have any symptoms, just stay at home and self treat.

I saw that article the other day, and thought, OK lots of data and pretty charts. But something didn't seem right, so I went and did some research about the author, Tomas Pueyo. This is what I found (hint, he's NOT a medical professional): ....."After moving to America in 2008 for his MBA at Stanford University, where he specialized in behavioral psychology, design, storytelling, and script-writing, Tomas, since then, is passionate about self-development and constant learning. He entered his career by working in Silicon Valley, designing and marketing products to hundreds of millions of customers in the entertainment, finance, and media industries." https://wikiaboutworld.com/tomas-pueyo-biography-biography-wiki/ I was wondering why his graphs looked so impressive and scary. Turns out he's a Marketing guy. He's really good at manipulating information to sell his narrative. He's even better at tweaking the X-Y axis to make the charts REALLY scary!! Then, reading the actual article, it's filled with words like "estimates", or " theoretical model", or "maybe", or "the model", or "likelyhood", etc. He even in one point states the numbers are " completely fictitious ", but he used them just for presentation purposes. He even outlines in the start of the article how he is going to "lead" you towards his chosen narrative and conclusion: Here’s what I’m going to cover in this article, with lots of charts, data and models with plenty of sources: How many cases of coronavirus will there be in your area? What will happen when these cases materialize? What should you do? When? I have to say.... he gets a A+ for presentation.... Factual data??? We'll have to see about that....

Imagine that, and there wasn't a single mass AR15 shooting anywhere. Maybe the Dems shouldn't hype up pandemics either...

He's said it a few times the last few days, obviously no one knows exactly, but they're looking at the data from China and So, Korea. Here's one transcript: ....." Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top infectious disease expert at the National Institutes of Health, says shutdowns and working from home could last up to "eight weeks or more" as COVID-19 cases continue to surge in the U.S. Fauci made the assessment of what is still to come during an interview Friday with Good Morning America, saying the current state of crisis in the U.S. could last anywhere from two weeks to two months. "I hope it's going to be in the earlier part, two, three, four weeks, but it's impossible to make an accurate prediction," Fauci said. "It's certainly going to get worse before it gets better."

A month from now? Regarding these closings, many schools, public venues and businesses have made temporary closures, a lot through the end of the month. The thing is, and it was said in Trump's news conference today, that they expect infections to climb for another 6 - 8 weeks, or more. So, what happens when these places hit the end of their temporary closures at the end of the month, and realize nothing changed on the ground, but got worse?

I'm sure it will never happen to me, but it has nothing to do with ego. I don't trust anyone who comes to my door unsolicited. That's specifically why I trained my pup for a Level 1 response. It's called situational awareness. Sure it "could" happen to anyone, but they, for the most part, must have been sleeping for decades, as these scams have been around for a long time. Seriously, anyone who allows multiple strangers into their house, that they didn't specifically call, should reconsider if they should be living by themselves, since there has always been different warnings for these situations for a long time. We can play "what if" until the cows come home with rare situations. In reality, the general population has lost their ability of critical thinking skills, logic and personal responsibility, and just wait to be told what to do by local government. It's actually been a real depressing transformation of the "sheep". You can't always protect someone from themselves.

There wasn't a single mention in the article that it was the elderly that were the ones being scammed.

So, just tell me what you were referring to.

Regarding testing, from Trump's news conference: They looked at the data from So. Korea, and out of all the people tested who exhibited virus symptoms, only 4% actually tested positive for Covid. So, it appears that the other 96% were either seasonal flu, common cold, allergies, or something similar. They said that in the US so far, out of the ones exhibiting symptoms, only 2% have tested positive. So yes, more tests will probably show more negatives or minor cases, which will reduce the overall mortality rate.

I don't think that has anything to do with all major events cancelled, business conferences cancelled, public events cancelled, theme parks closed, schools closing, major sports cancelled, supply shortages and lack of demand at stores, airlines, hotels, cruises, etc.

I bet it's a lot more than that. I saw a story that when they tested the Diamond Princess in Japan, over half of the people who tested positive never showed any symptoms. Which shows, many cases are really minor. But, it doesn't matter if people get tested. Bottom line, if someone is having symptoms, they need to stay home. Treatment is the same if it's WuFlu, seasonal flu, a common cold, or what ever. Does someone really need a test, when they have a fever, coughing or sneezing to tell them they are sick? Unless they want to do mass testing, to see if someone is carrying the virus but not showing symptoms, the actual test just ends up being a data point. It doesn't affect treatment is someone is already sick.

1680 cases in the country and 41 deaths, and the nationwide economy melts down and the country shuts down....

Well, that's not exactly what he said: ...." His son tweeted on Thursday that his father “is not exhibiting any symptoms of the disease”. Not showing symptoms does not mean he couldn't be positive. ....."Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro has denied reports that he has tested positive for coronavirus. He took to Twitter to confirm he is awaiting the results of a second test on Friday. Bolsonaro reportedly appeared in a mask this morning and did not leave the Palácio da Alvorada, the official residence, according to local news outlet Jornal Odia. Why would he have a SECOND test, if the first one came back negative and be wearing a mask and not leaving? https://citinewsroom.com/2020/03/coronavirus-brazilian-president-jair-bolsonaro-denies-testing-positive-for-deadly-bug/

scared or stupid?

....."Residents are warned to not let anyone inside their home who claims to be a CDC employee. Instead, residents should contact their local police department immediately with a description of the people. "It is a shame how some people will use tragic events and fear to further victimize people," Russo said. "Citizens must stay alert and report any suspicious activity." What's more amazing is the number of people who actually fall for these scams...

Thanks Google....

I was researching that last night, based on how things are going in China, S. Korea, Italy, etc. It seems that a ballpark could be up around 2 months before the virus levels out and starts heading down. That said, Trump has scheduled a 3PM news conference, it's been reported he's calling for a national emergency and instituting the Stafford Act, what ever that is.

Exactly... After the Sandy Hook shooting, I decided never to be caught in that crazy again... You would think the members here would already know that..