Then again if anyone ask you are heading to the range.

 

:clap: , I seriously laughed out loud. The second question would be why you have a couple thousands rounds and canned foods I guess

I would say it will largely come down to the specific situation. If things have gotten so bad that it is clearly evident that there is no more "law and order" as we know it, then, it's up to the individual to decide if the situation they're faced with warrants the use of deadly force.

If, for example, the north east has a another major blackout, but this time it lasts for a week, I doubt you're going to have to venture too far away from your house. It's also doubtful that you will need to stand in front of your house with your loaded AR ready to take out any looters.

 

Turn that into 1 month, where every last bit of refrigerated food has spoiled, and no one has seen a food delivery in weeks. Would it be unwise to have a little something hidden in a pocket or discreetly tucked into your waistband while you're outside picking some edible plants on your property? Probably not.

 

Now, 3 months later, no one has seen any LEOs in weeks.. you haven't heard any news in as much time.. your family is hungry.. your neighbors are acting weird. You can see smoke from the fires in the distance... You can hear gunshots that sound like their not too far off. You need to run down the block to trade some extra .22 rounds you have for some eggs with some guy one of your neighbors told you about. It might be time to load up the AR to make the trip.

 

Who knows tho - it only took a few days for people in the New Orleans area to go nutty after Katrina... there's no simple answer to this. But, if it comes to that, it should be a last resort, IMHO. I do believe that the minute we go down that path, it'll be very hard to come back from it.

 

That said, if I see some dude who's intestines are hanging out of his midsection, with a chunk of his face missing, limp towards my house, I'm aiming for the head

Is anyone old enough to remember the Newark Riots? I was living in East Orange and working at a gas station at the time and a lot of my regular customers were driving around with rifles and shotguns on their seats for a week or so until it quieted down. The brother of the guy I worked for owned a large Exxon station in Newark on Central Avenue and would sit in the station office at night with the gas pump lights on at night, a shot gun on his desk and two German Shephards by the door. All the businesses near him were looted and destroyed. His was not touched.

I don't know much about NJ guns laws back then, but was having a loaded gun in the car illegal? I was under the impression that some of our current guns laws came about after the riots... could very well be wrong tho.

I do not believe it was legal at the time? Never really thought about it at the time. People were stopping in the station every day for months selling stuff out of their trunks and back of their trucks. TVs, radios, new tires (from the Firestone that got burned down), guns, you name it!

Well if the situation around me is FUBAR (gun shots, fires, etc.), i believe the saying "its better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" comes into play for me.

Found this elsewhere and thought it fit. Make sure you have the right stuff!

 

After some years now of reading Internet bulletin boards, I think I

Then again if anyone ask you are heading to the range.

 

:clap: , I seriously laughed out loud. The second question would be why you have a couple thousands rounds and canned foods I guess

 

I am having a picnic at Cherry Ridge?

 

I think this would be what the conversation was like, you can skip to :35.

I do not believe it was legal at the time? Never really thought about it at the time. People were stopping in the station every day for months selling stuff out of their trunks and back of their trucks. TVs, radios, new tires (from the Firestone that got burned down), guns, you name it!

 

 

Different time, different climate. My Dad drove a Bread Delivery truck in Newark. As he was going over the Bridge one of the Cops (family friend) stopped him and asked if he was armed. When my dad told him he wasnt, the Officer gave him his Backup gun, and told my Dad to keep it until he could get home and get his .45...which ended up being taken from him by some Guardsman, because it was "US Property" marked (Bringback from WWII). One of the Shops he delivered to was another WWII vet, who had a German MG-42 set up in the apartment over the store..AMAZINGLY, that gentleman never had any problems from the Rioters.

I had heard about the Newark riots of '67, but had to look into it after you brought it up. That is some pretty scary stuff. I don't even know how the government would react now if a situation reached that critical point.

What I'm really afraid of is losing power for a 7 day stretch. Can you imagine how dark and scary it would be since I live in Hudson County? This is why I keep cases of water and canned food in the basement. If I can't get out of the area to Pennsy, then we hunker down and "fight" it out.

I just started reading "One Second After" by William Forstchen, and am going to also start chipping away at the classic "Alas, Babylon" by Pat Frank. "One Second After" is a very recent NYT Bestseller, with a foreword by Gingrich, that discusses EMP and its effect on society-- and its a pretty good read. I'm actually shocked I haven't read "Alas, Babylon" yet considering its a classic of its genre (PAW fiction). (And yes, OSA is apparently being turned into a film.)

 

I also recommend for a decent read, though a bit boring at times, "7 Deadly Scenarios: A Military Futurist Explores War in the 21st Century" by Andrew F. Krepinevich. Krepinevich is widely known in the IC, and widely respected for that matter. While futurologist have been around for some time, they have only been considered legitimate recently. Like I said, the book can be a bit boring at times, but it discusses many things that aren't really in the spotlight, but are the constant worry of the international IC. Highly recommended for those who want to practice situational awareness.

An EMP is the best reason to keep a large amount of cash on hand. As outlandish as it may seem, any invasion of the US Would have to start with EMPs if not outright nuclear strikes.

 

Ray Ray, I'm from Jersey City and my dad still lives there. I always had the feeling if anything happened and he was home, he would be screwed. Nuclear your screwed, emp you better have a gun and 2 weeks of food. Zombies, probably screwed.

That list of why everything I own sucks is fantastic, I love how he picks on everything and everyone...

 

On a more realistic note I agree that after a week of no power things may start to get dicey. Especially if nobody has seen any LEO around.

 

Once ammo becomes legit and openly used currency that's when I'll be carrying my 12 gauge with me everywhere I go, that's the end of the line for civilization.

 

Otherwise, like it or not, I live in NJ and must abide by the laws. If not, I become a criminal.

 

Now when in my home if things get weird I will have everything ready but in my home that is legit.

I just started reading "One Second After" by William Forstchen,

It's a pretty good book. I liked Lights Out by Halffast a bit more, but, they're both worth reading.

An EMP is the best reason to keep a large amount of cash on hand. As outlandish as it may seem, any invasion of the US Would have to start with EMPs if not outright nuclear strikes.

 

Ray Ray, I'm from Jersey City and my dad still lives there. I always had the feeling if anything happened and he was home, he would be screwed. Nuclear your screwed, emp you better have a gun and 2 weeks of food. Zombies, probably screwed.

 

Help!

That list of why everything I own sucks is fantastic, I love how he picks on everything and everyone...

 

On a more realistic note I agree that after a week of no power things may start to get dicey. Especially if nobody has seen any LEO around.

 

Once ammo becomes legit and openly used currency that's when I'll be carrying my 12 gauge with me everywhere I go, that's the end of the line for civilization.

 

Otherwise, like it or not, I live in NJ and must abide by the laws. If not, I become a criminal.

 

Now when in my home if things get weird I will have everything ready but in my home that is legit.

 

So no point between everything being good and needing to carry a 12ga that you would just conceal a pistol?

EMP you say?....*scratches EoTech off "to buy" list, scribbles in ACOG*

EMP you say?....*scratches EoTech off "to buy" list, scribbles in ACOG*

 

anything that involves batteries, wires or electrical current will be destroyed and become inoperable.

There were a few weeks after reading Lights Out that I convinced myself that I had to buy an old 60s-70s car with very little electronics in it just in case of an EMP. I've calmed down a bit with the whole thing since then, but it still pops into mind every so often...

So no point between everything being good and needing to carry a 12ga that you would just conceal a pistol?

 

Hopefully I won't have to find out. I guess my point was just that crap would have to be pretty far gone for me to carry. If something on the scale of Katrina were to happen I think I'd carry if I had to leave the home. But I'd be a criminal then. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, our state has laws and they suck but they are still the laws.

There were a few weeks after reading Lights Out that I convinced myself that I had to buy an old 60s-70s car with very little electronics in it just in case of an EMP. I've calmed down a bit with the whole thing since then, but it still pops into mind every so often...

 

It does not matter what kind of car or vehicle. It's the alternator, water pump, starter and whatever else runs off the battery. It will all be dead! Remember the movie, "War of the Worlds" ? Same thing

Forget cars and stuff, at least at first. If you want to survive, don't smoke and get in good shape. Your body will be the only mode of transportation you can rely on, and your health will be more important than ever.

The effects of an EMP are still hypothetical. I don't know if the results from agencies that investigated into the matter have been declassified, so I could be wrong. The first thought is that all micro circuits would be fried (though an electrical engineer or someone with specialized knowledge could tell us how), but there is still a chance that a variety of different types of other circuits would survive. At least this is the conclusion that a round table discussion at my old job came too. Of course hardened materials would be fine as well.

 

I think if the US were ever attacked, there would be a massive cyber-attack first that would cripple the infrastructure and response times (similar to the concern that has recently surfaced). There are fail-safes of course, but its the only way that I could imagine the defense capabilities being down enough for an EMP to be set off in the LEO.

 

Its pretty scary stuff to think about too. Why? An ICBM is launched, and there really are only two points where the missile can be stopped. At the point of lift off, and when it is traveling back down through our upper atmo. Even if a country's defense systems hit the bullseye as the ICBM peels off and is about to re-enter, you're talking about multiple nuclear detonations at altitudes that could very well have a detrimental impact on a radius the size of our country. There never even needs to be a mushroom cloud, and yet the possible devastation would be exponentially worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

Practical considerations for nuclear EMP

 

The strongest part of the pulse lasts for only a fraction of a second, but any unprotected electrical equipment

It does not matter what kind of car or vehicle. It's the alternator, water pump, starter and whatever else runs off the battery. It will all be dead! Remember the movie, "War of the Worlds" ? Same thing

I don't know that much about EMPs.. But what I do know, is that it'll be easier to replace the parts you mentioned (assuming they haven't all been fried, I guess) than it would be trying to replace the parts that are controlled by a computers in most modern day cars. Also, all those parts don't have small sensitive semi-conductors that I would imagine would be more vulnerable to EMP. But again, I don't know too much about EMPs other than some conflicting things I've read online or in fictional books. On the fictional side, William Forstchen who wrote One Second After supposedly did quite a bit of research on the subject, and in his book at least, some of the older cars weren't affected by the EMP. :confusion-shrug:

It does not matter what kind of car or vehicle. It's the alternator, water pump, starter and whatever else runs off the battery. It will all be dead! Remember the movie, "War of the Worlds" ? Same thing

 

So, I should look for a VW with a crank start.

 

And please explain how an EMP would effect the water pump...

It does not matter what kind of car or vehicle. It's the alternator, water pump, starter and whatever else runs off the battery. It will all be dead! Remember the movie, "War of the Worlds" ? Same thing

 

So, I should look for a VW with a crank start.

 

And please explain how an EMP would effect the water pump...

 

If it runs off the battery, than it might work. But if it runs off the alternator, then bye bye water pump.

It does not matter what kind of car or vehicle. It's the alternator, water pump, starter and whatever else runs off the battery. It will all be dead! Remember the movie, "War of the Worlds" ? Same thing

 

So, I should look for a VW with a crank start.

 

And please explain how an EMP would effect the water pump...

 

You are correct, most water pumps are run off of the crank, I think the only problem would be with the starter

I can't remember where I read this, but supposedly older diesels are probably the best cars to have after an emp strike. Don't remember the specific reasons why they were better tho... maybe the lack of spark plugs?