Not if I lock it guz i haz da powerz!

 

Matt - http://www.sciforums.com/encyclopedia/Moderator

 

Not mine but was interesting:

 

100 Items to Disappear First

 

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)

2. Water Filters/Purifiers

3. Portable Toilets

4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.

5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)

6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.

7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.

8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.

9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar

10. Rice - Beans - Wheat

11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)

12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)

13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.

14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)

15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)

16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.

17. Survival Guide Book.

18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)

19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.

20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)

21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)

22. Vitamins

23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)

24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.

25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)

26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)

27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)

28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)

29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).

30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels

31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)

32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)

33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)

34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit

35. Tuna Fish (in oil)

36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)

37. First aid kits

38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)

39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies

40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)

41. Flour, yeast & salt

42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first

43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators

44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)

45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts

46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns

47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)

48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)

49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc

50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)

51. Fishing supplies/tools

52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams

53. Duct Tape

54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes

55. Candles

56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)

57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags

58. Garden tools & supplies

59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies

60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.

61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)

62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)

63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel

64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc

65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats

66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)

67. Board Games, Cards, Dice

68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer

69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets

70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)

71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)

72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.

73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)

74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)

75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase

76. Reading glasses

77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)

78. "Survival-in-a-Can"

79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens

80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog

81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)

82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky

83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts

84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)

85. Lumber (all types)

86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)

87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's

88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.

89. Lantern Hangers

90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts

91. Teas

92. Coffee

93. Cigarettes

94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)

95. Paraffin wax

96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.

97. Chewing gum/candies

98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)

99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs

100. Goats/chickens

 

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:

Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and

friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

 

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate

near renewable food sources.

2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.

3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war

quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.

4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to

do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)

5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without

heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of

the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs

enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in

bulk.

6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more

valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival

guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll

have a lot of time on your hands.

7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many

people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of

toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to

lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.

8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

Cannibalism.

instead of all that just gather a few people by force and become a dictator and then you can just take peoples stuff that they've gathered for survival..

I am scared to throw out a book here because I assume everyone has read it.

 

"The Road"

 

Interesting to say the least.

Interesting indeed. Very good book, even if it is super depressing the majority of the time

instead of all that just gather a few people by force and become a dictator and then you can just take peoples stuff that they've gathered for survival..

 

Too much dead weight to keep around and rule. If its not a bunch of like minded individuals like the guys here I would rather be in my own. No dead weight unless I raised them or married them.

 

I did consider trading venison for other goods since I dont think anyone around here is a stockpiler. Keep the prime cuts and preserve what i cant eat, trade the rest for medicine and other supplies.

Aside from the B's, the three top things for me:

1. Fire: Fire is probably the most underrated "thing" in a survival situation. Whether its used for lighting, cooking, heating, drying, defense, morale, it is darn important

2. TP: Having spent enough time in the field, I learned TP (preferably dry) is the best trade item. I seriously was the TP czar for my platoon during BCT, and I admittedly put it to my advantage.

3. Socks!

what will be the funniest part is watching all the antis try to live in the SHTF environment "I dont need a gun. The government will protect me." :clap:

what will be the funniest part is watching all the antis try to live in the SHTF environment "I dont need a gun. The government will protect me." :clap:

Most Anti's have guns. They just dont want you to have guns !!

what will be the funniest part is watching all the antis try to live in the SHTF environment "I dont need a gun. The government will protect me." :clap:

Most Anti's have guns. They just dont want you to have guns !!

 

I just saw Dead Snow on Netflix. Norweigen zombie flick. If you can deal with the subtitles, decent movie, a few laughs, lots of US film references BUT if the Zombies are fast, organized, Nazi zombies that can climb and use knives, we are screwed!!!

 

As bloody as it was (its a zombie flick) the grossest part is a girl licking a guy's fingers a few seconds after we wipes his arse.

BCEagle saw that movie this week it was good. It does have english dubbed if you don't want to read subtitles.

BCEagle saw that movie this week it was good. It does have english dubbed if you don't want to read subtitles.

 

I watched it last night, streamed it to my TV and liked it. Didnt see subtitles as an option but it was fine, it wasnt like there was a lot of speaking anyway. I thought it was a good take on it and the way they killed the film nerd was cool. I also enjoyed checking out the large breasted brunette.

 

One thing that annoyed me is why he didnt take the M40 right off the bat.

What was the name of the zombie movie on an island in the caribbean? It had the boat that floated into New York harbor, and there was a zombie on board and he ended up biting a NYC cop.

http://www.dayofthedawn.com/main/

 

Man, Its kind of sad that a Zombie Apocalypse thread has so many pages, LOL

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Man, Its kind of awesome that a Zombie Apocalypse thread has so many pages, LOL

But wow, I didn't know a Rec 2 was being made, thanks for sharing that. The first one was pretty good, and the American version wasn't bad (Quarantine). I love the camera mounted on the weapon, and it might reaaaaally make this movie interesting if it is primarily from that angle (for those who aren't familiar with Rec/Quarantine, its a zombie flick from the "hand-held" POV [like Diary of the Dead, Cloverfield]... but not sickening like Blair Witch or Cloverfield for that matter). Imagine a zombie flick from the perspective of the first responders/operators and not some lame duck reporter stuff.

What was the name of the zombie movie on an island in the caribbean? It had the boat that floated into New York harbor, and there was a zombie on board and he ended up biting a NYC cop.

 

Zombi 2 by Fulchi. Supposedly a classic but always looked cheesey to me. Maybe I'll give it a shot tonight. I know there is one incedibly nasty scene in it but I wont give it away. Also, less survivalist then a lot of others. I like my zombies post apocolyptic usually from a virus (gives it some realism)

 

Romero is also coming out with another zombie movie next week.

Romero is also coming out with another zombie movie next week.

If it's anything like his last one, Diary of the Dead, he can keep it.

 

On a related note, Netflix finally graced me with a copy of Zombieland! Great movie!!!

Romero is also coming out with another zombie movie next week.

You don't happen to be talking about "Island of the Dead" coming out in April, do you? I've heard that pretty much everyone is dismissing the fact that Romero has the ability to make movies anymore... and this movie will continue the suckage.

 

"Diary of the Dead" was an interesting concept (though long overdue considering reality-based fiction/non fiction came out years ago). I think the movie could have been pretty decent if they developed more story/character. The acting was terrible-- which is mind-boggling considering its "reality" based, so, how much acting do you have to do?

 

Oh well, maybe the remake of a Romero film, The Crazies, will be decent. Please, nobody spoil it for me... I'm going to see it next weekend.

My favorite Zombie flick has got to be The Dawn Of the Dead remake. Awesome movie, I also like the 1990s remake of Night of the Living Dead. With the guy who played Candyman in it.

My favorite Zombie flick has got to be The Dawn Of the Dead remake. Awesome movie, I also like the 1990s remake of Night of the Living Dead. With the guy who played Candyman in it.

 

+1. I think its the idea of being holed up in a mall and thinking it's heaven. Plus slow zombies don't scare me at all.

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Man, Its kind of awesome that a Zombie Apocalypse thread has so many pages, LOL

But wow, I didn't know a Rec 2 was being made, thanks for sharing that. The first one was pretty good, and the American version wasn't bad (Quarantine). I love the camera mounted on the weapon, and it might reaaaaally make this movie interesting if it is primarily from that angle (for those who aren't familiar with Rec/Quarantine, its a zombie flick from the "hand-held" POV [like Diary of the Dead, Cloverfield]... but not sickening like Blair Witch or Cloverfield for that matter). Imagine a zombie flick from the perspective of the first responders/operators and not some lame duck reporter stuff.

 

I thought Quarantine was the second worst movie I've ever seen. If they were planning on doing the movie in pitch black they should've added a bit more light. Perhaps an infrared floodlight for tje nightvision parts.

Not a "Zombie" flick per se...but Pandorum with Dennis Quaid turned out to be kind of interesting

I was talking to a friend of mine about the stuff in this thread. The snowstorm has him spooked 2 kids and he realized he didnt have enough food to last more then a few days and went on a shopping spree. To his benefit he did buy a gun and 500 rounds of ammo when I told him to. Now he wants to know if he should keep anything else in the house.

 

I am thinking 90 cans of food per person minimum. Should last him a month if there are real problems. Any input?

Rice, cooking oil (olive oil would be fine), salt, and canned foods (I would suggest canned fish). In this day and age, you can also stock up on vitamins (though note the expiration dates). Oh, and water!

 

As for the quantity, its hard to say. Without knowing the size and age of the individuals, or the types of strenuous labor (chopping wood, digging, rucking, etc) that would be required, the rationing of calories would fluctuate. Depending on the age and sex, a child can require anywhere from 1500-3000 calories. Adults would require around 2000-2500 (or more, depending on the manual labor stress). [i'm not a nutritionist. If someone were serious enough about it, they should consult a professional.]

 

Regarding rice, one pound of uncooked rice equals about 2-2.5 cups (which equals roughly 6 cups cooked). I'm fortunate enough to be of oriental background, and I always have at least a couple bags of rice in the household ( ). Each bag contains roughly 20-25 lbs, and retail for around $20 I want to say. American supermarkets probably sell bags of rice by the pound or maybe five pounds-- and the prices are jacked up too. So, if you're willing to brave the H Marts or other Asian markets, you can get rice pretty cheap.

Oil, just get a couple of the large cans. I never remember how much they are, but they last forever.

Salt; don't need a lot. The body needs roughly 800 milligrams, and between the salt in the food and the extra salt we may add-- the average person intakes as much as an excess of 4000 milligrams. So, a couple pounds would last awhile. [Though, having other salts to salt meats or use as salt licks (noted: illegal as far as I know to use for hunting... but in SHTF, it would be a small price to pay instead of starving if there are virtually no other means. I do NOT condone it otherwise)]

Canned foods is the tricky part. I don't think there is a set amount that would be satisfying. I guess the best way to have a concrete number is to calculate the number of calories between the other foods, and then the calories in a single can of tuna or whatever. That way maybe two or three people could share one can of food (remember, rationing sucks), and by getting an excess of 100 per person... it could last for a few months.

 

Gosh, that was way too long, sorry.

the calories in a single can of tuna or whatever. .

 

Just as a note. Don't eat too much tuna. In a SHTF situation you don't want to end up with Mercury poisoning. There are recommendations but it boils down to about 2 cans of canned light or salmon a week or 1 can of albacore.

One thing you gotta ask yourself, If a zombie Apocalypse ever did happen, Is your house secure enough to hold up in? Just looking at my house I know I would be somewhat screwed because we have so many windows. Fortunately there all brand new heavy duty windows, and I have enough wood in my garage to build an arc. I would probably grab everything I have and head out on to the roof after I have boarded up all the windows.LOL, What about you?

the calories in a single can of tuna or whatever. .

 

Just as a note. Don't eat too much tuna. In a SHTF situation you don't want to end up with Mercury poisoning. There are recommendations but it boils down to about 2 cans of canned light or salmon a week or 1 can of albacore.

 

1 can of Albacore, ouch. I thought tuna would be a staple for the protein.

 

Rice is a great idea, we actually have a bag of quinoa too which fills you up. I am a big fan of extenders, I am assuming that I will be placeing snares, hunting etc and I would love to make a rabbit a good meal for the whole family. Give me the eyes, brains and anything else edible but it needs to be palitable. Big pot, rabbit, large jar of tomato sauce.

 

As for salt I would love to have a large amount on hand. Didnt think of salt licks but would love to be able to use it to preserve food, esp fish or dry out excess venison for jerky.