So I heard from a little birdy that someone in NJ is trying to pass a law that would make it illegal to rent a gun in NJ or take a training course that includes handling a handgun without having an FID. So in short, if I was interested in a gun there would be no legal way for me to test a gun out before I buy. That means If I had a friend who didn't have an FID, I could NOT go with him to the range and hand over my glock to him so he can shoot it.

 

I do not know how true this is but I was told to get the word out. This is where I need some help since there are probably people who are better at researching this stuff than I am. Alledgedly someone who does not like the idea of renting guns paid off some congressman to introduce this bill. It is entirely possible this is a false alarm but I thought I'd get it out there to err on the side of caution since this little birdy has some connections to inside info. I do not know any further details, I was just told to deliver this message.

HMMMMMMMMM,

this is 100% true

Shore Shot and Brick Armory are the only two places in the state that rent. I don't think the person has a vendetta against guns.

Shore_Shot and others post the bill # so we can hound these dogs!

As far as I know there is no actual bill yet. I will let you know everything I hear.

You would think with the recent ANJRPC lawsuit on one gun a month and the ousting of Corzine that these legislators would go after the real problems with guns and that is at the street level.

Is it a legislator from Ocean County? Monmouth County? Interesting how that is, perhaps the legislator in question has something against the residents of Lakewood? Racism? Religious bias?

 

Edit: This sort of thing may also affect CJRPC John C Garand CMP Matches, as you can use the club's rifles if you dont own an M1 yourself. That should get the ANJRPC riled up, along with the membership, and some of the more vocal members.

Again I really dont have any other information at this time. As soon as I know I will let you guys know everything.

Its also going to affect the NSSF FIrst Shot Program. The RUTGER ROTC that does a yearly visit to our range. It's going to affect all soon to be LEO's that come down to train before the grueling firearms qualification. Ect. Ect. This bill will harm many people not just these two businesses.

Its also going to affect the NSSF FIrst Shot Program. The RUTGER ROTC that does a yearly visit to our range. It's going to affect all soon to be LEO's that come down to train before the grueling firearms qualification. Ect. Ect. This bill will harm many people not just these two businesses.

 

It sounds like another stupid and ineffective law. I am sure that our fine legislature will pass this quite speedily.

Glad to hear I wasn't just feeding the rumor mill. Considering how close the supreme court case is, its a suprise anyone at this point would think about doing something like this.

Well I know regardless of this retarded law, my father will still be using my guns at the range...F NJ!

Shore Shot and Brick Armory are the only two places in the state that rent. I don't think the person has a vendetta against guns.

 

BH also rents guns if I remember correctly!!

BH does not rent guns, and F this law if it ever sees the light of day.

I will do some research and get back to youz

What a crock of crap. As soon as someone gets more info let us know. I will deluge my reps mail box with letters.

OK, just talked to my source, who is deeply involved in NJ and is against alot of the BS. I am told that there is nothing like this pending or has been introduced. My source is good, so I am of the belief that this is bubkiss...

My source did add; "It sounds like something stupid enough for them to consider"

The only thing close to that is this:

 

S281 Requires proof of firearms safety training as a condition for issuance of firearms purchaser ID cards and permits to purchase handguns.

 

STATEMENT

 

This bill would require that all applicants for firearms purchaser identification cards and permits to purchase a handgun successfully complete a firearms safety class or course.

Under the provisions of the bill, applicants for firearms purchaser identification cards and permits to purchase a handgun would be required to present evidence that they have successfully completed a firearms safety class or course approved by the Superintendent of State Police as a condition for being issued their card or permit. The class or course may be offered by the National Rifle Association, a State or local law enforcement agency, junior college, college, university firearms training school, or any other entity approved by the superintendent. The superintendent is to determine the form of the evidence and the manner in which it is to be presented by the applicant. Applicants who have received firearms training through law enforcement or military service may substitute that experience for the required class or course training.

 

Source: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills/S0500/281_I1.HTM

 

It adds the following text:

 

On and after the effective date of P.L. , c. (C. )(pending before the Legislature as this bill), no handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card shall be issued unless the applicant presents evidence of successfully completing a firearms safety class or course of a type approved by the superintendent or has received such training through law enforcement or military service. The course or class may be offered by the National Rifle Association, a State or local law enforcement agency, junior college, college, university, firearms training school, or any other entity approved by the superintendent. The superintendent shall prescribe the manner and form of the evidence of qualification an applicant is required to present pursuant to this paragraph.

Altho I think it is BS, certainly the part about renting guns, I am not totally against having to have taken a basic firearms course prior to being able to purchase a handgun.

I did purchase mine before I took the class, but took the class very shortly thereafter.

Altho I think it is BS, certainly the part about renting guns, I am not totally against having to have taken a basic firearms course prior to being able to purchase a handgun.

I did purchase mine before I took the class, but took the class very shortly thereafter.

 

The 2nd amendment didn't mention training requirements.

The reason you cant find any information on it yet, is because it still hasn't been writing yet. Just someone great idea..

Altho I think it is BS, certainly the part about renting guns, I am not totally against having to have taken a basic firearms course prior to being able to purchase a handgun.

I did purchase mine before I took the class, but took the class very shortly thereafter.

 

The 2nd amendment didn't mention training requirements.

 

 

No I guess it did not.

 

What about prior to a CCW permit?

Altho I think it is BS, certainly the part about renting guns, I am not totally against having to have taken a basic firearms course prior to being able to purchase a handgun.

I did purchase mine before I took the class, but took the class very shortly thereafter.

 

The 2nd amendment didn't mention training requirements.

 

 

No I guess it did not.

 

What about prior to a CCW permit?

 

I guess I'll have to say that I'm a fan of Alaska and Vermont on this one. No permit required.

 

This isn't to say that I think training is bad. It isn't, specially if you didn't grow up with firearms everywhere like I did. Everyone needs to understand the 4 rules. I just don't believe the government has any business telling me that I can't protect myself.

I am all for keeping Govt. out of my sh!t, but when it comes to Carrying a firearm, I believe their should be training involved.

 

I wouldn't carry without taking a CCW course 1st.

Altho I think it is BS, certainly the part about renting guns, I am not totally against having to have taken a basic firearms course prior to being able to purchase a handgun.

I did purchase mine before I took the class, but took the class very shortly thereafter.

 

The 2nd amendment didn't mention training requirements.

 

However when the 2nd amendment was drafted, you were pounding lead balls down a smooth barrel.

 

I don't agree with making it a legal imperative that people get training, but I do believe everyone who purchases a gun should get some form of safety training.

 

I've been muzzle swept by too many peoples' girlfriends or children at the range.

Altho I think it is BS, certainly the part about renting guns, I am not totally against having to have taken a basic firearms course prior to being able to purchase a handgun.

I did purchase mine before I took the class, but took the class very shortly thereafter.

 

The 2nd amendment didn't mention training requirements.

 

However when the 2nd amendment was drafted, you were pounding lead balls down a smooth barrel.

 

How does that change any of the safety rules? If anything, modern guns are safer than black powder guns.

 

I agree that anyone who owns a gun should get training.. but to have a government mandated training course.. is unacceptable IMO.

You need to take a driving test and pass to drive a car right?

You need to take a driving test and pass to drive a car right?

Driving is a privilege... 2A is a right. Trouble starts when you turn rights into privileges. Then, only the "privileged" have them.

You need to take a driving test and pass to drive a car right?

Driving is a privilege... 2A is a right. Trouble starts when you turn rights into privileges. Then, only the "privileged" have them.

 

 

Well said, Ken.

You need to take a driving test and pass to drive a car right?

Driving is a privilege... 2A is a right. Trouble starts when you turn rights into privileges. Then, only the "privileged" have them.

 

 

Unfortunately, it is not since we can not carry.

 

I am all for reasonable background checks (NOT an FPID) but basic NICs for gun purchases and for required training if you intend to carry. PERIOD!