Since I've been asking around, I've heard a lot of people mention CZ. It's definitely being added to the list of potentials. I just need to find a place to shoot; might have to take that road trip down to shore shot.

 

I have about a month before I even have the permit to buy it anyway, so I should be able to find one to shoot.

As an added plus, they're way purdier than a Glock.

Since I've been asking around, I've heard a lot of people mention CZ. It's definitely being added to the list of potentials. I just need to find a place to shoot; might have to take that road trip down to shore shot.

 

I have about a month before I even have the permit to buy it anyway, so I should be able to find one to shoot.

 

Since you have time.....

 

...and live in Morris County.

 

Keep an eye out for us heading to Cherry Ridge, lot closer then Shore Shot. And between all of us that go.... you will get to shoot all the above guns most likely.

 

Frank - Old School... has the Glocks

Me - Troy ....I have the M&P

Ken has the M&P and the CZ

RayRay I think has the XD

"sniff.... sniff.... new guy.... does not know anything about CZs....."

 

And the CZ sharks start circling!!!!

 

I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recomend CZ products. They are a fantastic design, durable and affordable (well used to be.). The PCR is one of my favorite weapons of all time, but it does not work for me as I am a lefty and want ambi controls usually. Although technically it works the same as a SIG with decock to DA/SA and no safety.

 

I think there might even be one for sale in the marketplace right now from Lunker.

I think there might even be one for sale in the marketplace right now from Lunker.

 

Sorry, my CZ was on the board for sale, but it sold super fast. I didn't really want to get rid of it, but the HK P7M8 I wanted was too expensive to buy without selling something else.

Since I've been asking around, I've heard a lot of people mention CZ. It's definitely being added to the list of potentials. I just need to find a place to shoot; might have to take that road trip down to shore shot.

 

I have about a month before I even have the permit to buy it anyway, so I should be able to find one to shoot.

As an added plus, they're way purdier than a Glock.

 

Yes they are....

 

As an added plus, they're way purdier than a Glock.

 

Yes they are....

 

 

i never had a problem with the glock look

My recommendation, buy lots and lots and lots of guns!

 

Can't go wrong with any of the aforementioned firearms.

 

btw, not many mentions of the Ruger SR9, which is on your original list. That would be my recommendation. Shoot mine and see!

As an added plus, they're way purdier than a Glock.

 

Yes they are....

 

 

i never had a problem with the glock look

 

 

Touch

Cant go wrong with either the glock, cz, xd, m&p, h&k. They are all solid reliable handguns.

 

What it comes down to is shooting it, and seeing what feels comfortable in your hand. I have either owned, or shot all of them in a 9mm... so in order of how much i love them.

 

1. H&K P30L - Fits amazingly well, great gun, shoots very well, never had a failure, easy to clean, doesn't get dirty and a terrific penis extension. Unfortunetely we are going to part ways this weekend as I promised to sell it to a board member a few months ago when I needed money for another gun purchase. but alas... I didnt, and will miss this one. Besides, its the right thing to do, I made a commitment and will keep it. New, you are looking at with tax, tags and registration between mid $900 and $1,050. I bought mine used from another board member, who paid $1050 last year, then decided to sell it to buy a glock.... yeah, go figure.

 

2. CZ 85/75 - Fits really well in the hand. Very nice shooter. Very reliable. In the 3k rounds of so I put through it, I had 3 FTE and it was wolf ammo. No issues with brass ammo. Very reliable. Very little felt recoil as it is an all metal gun. no plastic fantastic here. You can get 15 round MecGar mags, OEM for CZ's right now on sale for $25. Mine came with 2 15 rounders. I bought of of a fellow board member, who sold it to me, but later said he would want to buy it back. I sold it... and once again, every time I go to BA, it is there... looking at me.

Price Anywhere from low 400's to high $500's. Dont be afraid to buy used. Also.... look for CZ clones... they are: EAA Witness & Baby Desert Eagle. If you like a steel gun, see if you can find a Browning high Power.

 

3. Beretta 92FS - Same as above. Terrific firearm. All metal. Reduces felt recoil.

 

4. Sig P226? - brother has one, awesome feeling gun. humn, begining a trend here... i like my metal guns.

 

5. Plastic fantastic XD. I like the grip safety. terrific guns. only issue I had with my XD is rusting. First few gens were made with different finish on them, that was susceptible to rusting. New ones have a new finish and are good to go.

 

6. Smith Wesson M&P - Fits very well in the hand. My only complaint was the trigger needed some work for my liking. Otherwise, without shooting, felt the best in hand. While shooting, felt good, just the trigger felt rough. Easy fix for it.

 

7. Glocks - I will start by saying they are fantastic guns. in fact, I think of a glock as a toyota corrolla of the gun world.

 

They are ultra reliable, easy to use, i would trust my life to a glock any day of the week.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

but I wouldn't be caught dead owning one. =P

 

In all seriousness, nothing wrong with a glock. Only complaint is that it is not compatible with my hand. In the store while holding it, feels awesome. While shooting it, the part of my hand between index finger and thumb hurt like a mofo because the glock grip is a bit blocky. When I shot it, it was very accurate... I just value the joy of shooting the firearm as much, if not more than the firearm itself.

 

8. All the other ones.

 

 

 

But... the gun that holds that special place in my heart.....

 

 

 

 

wait.... 9mm, lol. :mrgreen:

 

It's so funny to get people's opinions. Some people will only consider Glock as the acceptable sidearm, others won't touch them.

 

The thing it always seems to boils down to is their person experience shooting the guns; especially with the glock grip angle. I'm going to try and get out to a range hopefully next weekend and at least put a few rounds through them both.

 

Plus I need to finally fire my shotgun I bought like 4 months ago and have yet to fire. Damned life getting in the way of my shooting. :roll:

 

EDIT: By the way, awesome post maksim. Appreciate the opinions! So helpful.

Of the 2 you asked about, XD without a doubt. It is simply more comfortable in my hand. Both are reliable guns. If you look at other choices in the price range, CZ would be a great choice. 15 rd mags are availible form CZ's website.

 

Stay away from Maks' Pimp Gun. It is Butt Ugly

It's so funny to get people's opinions. Some people will only consider Glock as the acceptable sidearm, others won't touch them.

 

The thing it always seems to boils down to is their person experience shooting the guns; especially with the glock grip angle. I'm going to try and get out to a range hopefully next weekend and at least put a few rounds through them both.

 

Plus I need to finally fire my shotgun I bought like 4 months ago and have yet to fire. Damned life getting in the way of my shooting. :roll:

 

EDIT: By the way, awesome post maksim. Appreciate the opinions! So helpful.

 

Even though we have factions from the XD and glock camps, we are not xdtalk, or glocktalck. It is all about personal preference. I dont beleive anyone from either camp is going to come out and say that glocks are junk because they are not reliable, or XD's are trash because they are made in Croatia. This is not a hi-point/jennings vs glock/xd/beretta. Any of the ones you mentioned or top notch, reliable handguns, the pissing match is all based on personal preference.

"Even though we have factions from the XD and glock camps, we are not xdtalk, or glocktalck. It is all about personal preference. I dont beleive anyone from either camp is going to come out and say that glocks are junk because they are not reliable, or XD's are trash because they are made in Croatia. This is not a hi-point/jennings vs glock/xd/beretta. Any of the ones you mentioned or top notch, reliable handguns, the pissing match is all based on personal preference."

 

Could not agree more..

 

This is not going to be your last gun... this will most likely be the first of many, the next one will be purchased about 6 to months from now. You will start to figure out what your personal preferences are, what you actually like versus what you THOUGHT you would like. Case in point, I have owned three HiPowers...reportedly the Cadillac of steel, hicap 9mms. I really, really like them, but I dont own one now. Why? I found that I dont really like cocked and locked carry, and I shoot other guns better. Dont know why.. just do. I have owned two Walther P99s... I love the concept, design, controls, size, capacity etc etc about them. Cant shoot them worth a crap... they jump like wildcats in my hands and it makes for horrible follow up shots. I have owned a HK45 Compact... a PERFECT CCW firearm.... I could not hit a man sized target at 10yards with it. My targets looked like a was using buckshot. Go figure. It might take you years to figure out what works, and does not work for you. When you do, you will hang onto it, thats why I have had this G19 for about 10 years... a S&W M19 for about 9. Those are the two constants in my collection. I am currently considering selling a gun or two because they have not solidified themselves in my safe as of yet. I might miss them in the future... I might not.

 

If your anything like me, guns are a source of constant entertainment, figuring out what is good/bad/great... maybe there is something else out there... It's not like a wife... they dont mind if you get another one.

Even though we have factions from the XD and glock camps, we are not xdtalk, or glocktalck. It is all about personal preference. I dont beleive anyone from either camp is going to come out and say that glocks are junk because they are not reliable, or XD's are trash because they are made in Croatia. This is not a hi-point/jennings vs glock/xd/beretta. Any of the ones you mentioned or top notch, reliable handguns, the pissing match is all based on personal preference.

 

And that's why I keep coming back here every time I get in over my head with this research. Its hard to decipher what reviews are legit and which are sponsored fluff-fests.

 

I think where i'm at now is I'm definitely between the Glock 17/19 and Springfield XD. I have confidence in either, but it's going to come down to which shoots better for me. I won't be disappointed either way.

 

Now I'm just anxious for my paperwork to go through so I'm able to even get it when I do make a decision. The detective said it should only take 3 weeks depending on when my job and references get the stuff back in.

If you are close enough, you are welcome to shoot my XD 40 one night.

If you are close enough, you are welcome to shoot my XD 40 one night.

 

Over an hour away. I'm actually going this weekend to shoot a few. They have the Glock 9mm and a XD 40 (I'll at least get the feel of the trigger and such albeit with more kick).

 

You guys are all so generous to have people newbies like myself shoot your guns. If I were a rich man I'd buy you all a round.

 

10 rd limit??????????????????????????????????

 

But I'd go with the XD. One of the nicest polymer guns I've ever shot. Also for another 100 bucks down the road you can get an upgraded trigger which makes it ohhh so sweet.

 

Yes. As far as I know, the only NJ legal mag for the G17 is the 10 rounder. The 17 rounder isn't legal.

 

The XD9 has a 16 round mag, also not legal. Again, the 10 rounder becomes the legal mag.

 

I don't like the grip safety on the XD9. Shrug.

 

 

They have 15 round mags for the XD9.

 

10 rd limit??????????????????????????????????

 

But I'd go with the XD. One of the nicest polymer guns I've ever shot. Also for another 100 bucks down the road you can get an upgraded trigger which makes it ohhh so sweet.

 

Yes. As far as I know, the only NJ legal mag for the G17 is the 10 rounder. The 17 rounder isn't legal.

 

The XD9 has a 16 round mag, also not legal. Again, the 10 rounder becomes the legal mag.

 

I don't like the grip safety on the XD9. Shrug.

 

 

OHHHHH I get what your saying now. I thought you were saying 10rd was the max mag limit I'm like uhh no it isn't

 

If you buy from a reputable place they should pin the mags for you so you can be good to go with either gun. Just a heads up.

M

 

 

You're dreaming Mathew!!!!! I shoot 10 rounders in a G34 all the time you can't modify high capacity GLOCK mags because you would remove the ability to diaasemble them which sould be done periodically.

I'm up in Morris County which is a good hour and a half away from Shore Shot unfortunately.

 

I've held them both for a very brief moment and leaded toward the XD. I really do need to find a place to just shoot both of them though.

 

 

Hey lad, you PM me and I'll let you shoot a couple of GLOCKs at Cherry Ridge.

 

Frank

Not to long ago, I to was also in the same quandry that you are in between the XD9 and G17. I prefered the XD for the little extra bit of heft it had in the grip. The other big deciding factor for me (since it was my 1st handgun purchase)was the fact that the XD has a grip safety. I was relativley inexperienced with handguns and the fact that it has the added safety benifit was the selling point for me over the Glock. Out of all the guns I have bought, my XD is by far my favorite one. Just see which feels right for you and go for it.

 

By the way, since your so close, make it you business to come to Cherry Ridge for the May meet-up, you won't be disappointed

So Maks $300 cash money and we have a deal for the HK right?

If someone has a Beretta 92FS try that. It's all metal and doesn't kick much. I don't personally care for the double action feel of a Glock trigger, but I'm pretty accurate with it.

I have the Glock 22 with a 9mm barrel. I like the XD9 more. It fits my hand a lot better. The Beretta kicks less so that would be my second choice. HK P30L is tops based on how it fits in my hand. If I have an extra $1000 laying around I'm getting the HK. I go to the Bullet Hole if you'd like to try the Glock in .40 caliber.

So I have an update.

 

Got out to the range today and shot both a bit.

 

I liked the way the trigger felt on the XD better, but I shot so much better with the Glock. I felt like I had more control over where the shots were going with the glock. It felt more natural.

 

So now I apply for the gssf membership and wait for my paperwork with the state to finish processing so I can get the gun and start shooting until my finger goes numb.

Can the mods please ban Overt? He picked the wrong gun! Just kidden, the Glock is a great pistol. If your comfortable with the square grip and the grip angle, then your good to go.

Cool, glad to hear you were able to spend some time with both guns. Enjoy your new toy when the paperwork comes in

Can the mods please ban Overt? He picked the wrong gun! Just kidden, the Glock is a great pistol. If your comfortable with the square grip and the grip angle, then your good to go.

At least he didn't buy a Charter Arms.

Can the mods please ban Overt? He picked the wrong gun! Just kidden, the Glock is a great pistol. If your comfortable with the square grip and the grip angle, then your good to go.

At least he didn't buy a Charter Arms.

:angry-extinguishflame: Wow is that a burn or what?

So I have an update.

 

Got out to the range today and shot both a bit.

 

I liked the way the trigger felt on the XD better, but I shot so much better with the Glock. I felt like I had more control over where the shots were going with the glock. It felt more natural.

 

So now I apply for the gssf membership and wait for my paperwork with the state to finish processing so I can get the gun and start shooting until my finger goes numb.

 

There are two style Glock triggers. There is one with a squared off trigger safety lever and one with a rounded lever. To me, the rounded one is much more smooth and doesn't leave my finger sore the way the non-rounded one does. Some people prefer the squared style. It's a two minute effort to swap out one Glock trigger for another. You'll end up with something you will like, and it won't cost much to do it, and you will be able to do it yourself. That's my favorite part about Glocks.

Can the mods please ban Overt? He picked the wrong gun! Just kidden, the Glock is a great pistol. If your comfortable with the square grip and the grip angle, then your good to go.

At least he didn't buy a Charter Arms.

 

Coming from the guy who complains that his 40 kicks too much so he swapped out the barrel for a 9! Whimp

 

still love you boo

I didn't really have much of an opinion on mag capacity until my first tactical shooting course. 5 more rounds can make a big difference. You tend to pull that trigger a few more times than intended when you have people screaming "THREAT!!!" in your ears.

I have shot sigs including P210, P226, P220 super match, P229 Sport, HK Mk 23, Baer/Brown/Wilson 1911s. I still shoot my G19 the best even though it's not the best looking, nor does it have the most comfortable grip shape/angle or trigger feel. Most of my buddies have the same impression as well.

 

For me the most comfortable in my hand sometimes doesn't turn out to be the one I shoot the best. I do not currently own a HK P30 but tried it out a BH once and that is probably the most comfortable handgun for me to hold and has a pretty decent SA stock trigger.

 

I think I am going to pick up a G34 or 35 next 8-)