I have noticed a trend here that I would honestly caution against. That trend is when someone posts a question or something they are doing and constructive criticism is offered. It seems this is met with a defensive reflex from people other than the OP. As I have stated before, I do not claim to be a guru on anything other than internet porn. But I do believe that many here including myself have enough life experience or happen to be in the been there done that catagory to offer an opinion here and there. This topic being one of them. What WILL happen if this pattern goes unchecked is it will drive those that may have useful information/experience off the board. So my recomendation is to really take an objective view of the advice or criticism beeng offered and if it wasnt presented in an offensive or disparaging way, reconsider jumping in for the sake of...jumping in.

This is a normal trend as any forum board grows.....

 

The "know it all's " will not be open to other people's views or opinions....

 

Some of the older members will grow tired of the noob's asking some of the basic questions over and over again without searching....

 

The trolls will come and go....

 

..... and the mods will become busier and busier.....

 

I always try to look at things this way......

 

After you type something..... before you hit "submit" .... take another look at what you typed. If what you typed is something you would say to that person if you were actually face to face, then go ahead and hit that button..... but if not, and you are just flexing you "interweb arrogance " behind a keyboard, then rethink what you just typed...

it's just common courtesy.

 

Don't piss in someone else's beer just because you don't like the brand.

If I've been guilty I'm oblivious to it. And I believe that's the case with others as well.

 

See what eastern european ancestry does to you???

If I've been guilty I'm oblivious to it. And I believe that's the case with others as well.

 

See what eastern european ancestry does to you???

 

How eastern?

I think sometimes people come off as sounding condescending, Even if that's not their intention. Its hard to show emotions over the internet. A lot of times you will get fly by's by people who offer no real constructive criticism but just a single comment that's hardly constructive and may be seen as rude. Every forum has its share of know it alls, or people who think they know whats best, and if there opinion is opposed in any way, They will fight tooth and nail to get THEIR ideals across. In the end its all in the pursuit of info and knowledge. Its a normal aspect of internet forums. Its all in good fun

I warn you:

 

If you are dooshy I will proclaim you a dooshdaddy for all to behold.

 

Also plz understand I am always right never wrong and very very funny.

 

And most importantly,

 

I am tacticooler than you $on!

 

Like blaaaw tadow!

 

Witcha broke a$$!

Guilty, but only in retaliation. I've had incidents with a few on here, but **** happens.. both parties will get over it.

Its hard to show emotions over the internet.

 

Yes.... it is... but it can be done....

 

watch:

 

Matt..... your such a freakin wuss.....

 

 

Matt.... your such a freakin wuss ......

 

 

notice on the 2nd one.... it seems like I am kidding around with him...

notice on the 2nd one.... it seems like I am kidding around with him...

 

notice on the 2nd one.... it seems like I am kidding around with him...

 

 

I knew you would catch that... :twisted:

Your wrong, You cant show emotions! :angry-cussingblack:

 

 

 

Just Kidding

I am tacticooler than you, $0n.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It rubs the lotion on its skin.

.... or it gets the hose again.

Sorry for asking all the questions but i'm a noob and i admit it! haha

 

3 weeks ago I had no idea what a mosin nagant was, now i own one, know how to strip it, clean it, and actually put it back together! I know izzy, tula, hex, round, finned, refurbed.... Thats all thanks to you guys! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Sorry for asking all the questions but i'm a noob and i admit it! haha

 

3 weeks ago I had no idea what a mosin nagant was, now i own one, know how to strip it, clean it, and actually put it back together! I know izzy, tula, hex, round, finned, refurbed.... Thats all thanks to you guys! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

 

You are off topic!! But I think they disassemble with a hatchet.

I have noticed a trend here that I would honestly caution against. That trend is when someone posts a question or something they are doing and constructive criticism is offered. It seems this is met with a defensive reflex from people other than the OP. As I have stated before, I do not claim to be a guru on anything other than internet porn.

 

 

Except for the reference to your porn issue, this would appear to be an overstatement. Personally I find this to be a relatively well orchestrated forum comprised of folks who for the most part communicate respectably.

 

But if you think I am kidding you can visit AR15.com.

I also am an expert at internet porn on any other subject my free opinion is worth it's price.

another similar issue i have noticed, some short fuses and snippy answers here at times...

 

it almost comes across as my understanding of internet forums (to chit chat and discuss common interested (or even not common interests) is wrong when it comes to this site...

 

posts at times almost seem to be made in an effort to end threads or cut down on discussion.. i dont see the issue with threads going on for pages as long as everyone involved is being polite and courteous.. top come in with the stance "lets just drop it no one is going to change their minds" is silly.. its almost like saying "what you are talking about is annoying me even though is has nothing to do with me"

 

the threads i refer to are things like

 

original poster "can i pin my stock fully closed"

member 1 "sure you can but it would be better to pin it at a length that is good for you"

original poster "eh it looks cooler all the way closed"

member 2 "yeah but it doesnt work better that way.. works best to find your spot"

original poster "yeah but does it really matter"

member 1 "yes it really matters"

then out of nowhere

random member 3 "lets just drop it.. you are not going to get him to change his mind.. "

 

the thought i initially have is who cares? who asked you? WE (the community) are making an effort to try to steer another member of the community in the "right" direction... why is it bothering you when it has NOTHING to do with you? if someone is being rude and or disrespectful i totally understand putting a stop to it.. but when it is simply a long drawn out thread? WHO CARES the whole point of a forum IS to discuss and exchange ideas..

 

end rant..

another similar issue i have noticed, some short fuses and snippy answers here at times...

 

it almost comes across as my understanding of internet forums (to chit chat and discuss common interested (or even not common interests) is wrong when it comes to this site...

 

posts at times almost seem to be made in an effort to end threads or cut down on discussion.. i dont see the issue with threads going on for pages as long as everyone involved is being polite and courteous.. top come in with the stance "lets just drop it no one is going to change their minds" is silly.. its almost like saying "what you are talking about is annoying me even though is has nothing to do with me"

 

the threads i refer to are things like

 

original poster "can i pin my stock fully closed"

member 1 "sure you can but it would be better to pin it at a length that is good for you"

original poster "eh it looks cooler all the way closed"

member 2 "yeah but it doesnt work better that way.. works best to find your spot"

original poster "yeah but does it really matter"

member 1 "yes it really matters"

then out of nowhere

random member 3 "lets just drop it.. you are not going to get him to change his mind.. "

 

the thought i initially have is who cares? who asked you? WE (the community) are making an effort to try to steer another member of the community in the "right" direction... why is it bothering you when it has NOTHING to do with you? if someone is being rude and or disrespectful i totally understand putting a stop to it.. but when it is simply a long drawn out thread? WHO CARES the whole point of a forum IS to discuss and exchange ideas..

 

end rant..

 

Because this is your problem, just because you think something is the right way doesn't mean everyone else under the sun has to do exactly what you think!!!! You think having a stock fully closed is a terrible idea, other people think its a fantastic idea. WONDERFUL! post your opinion ONCE!!!!!! and move on. You don't need to post 50 times in one thread saying the same damn thing! And we as moderators DO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT because we don't need threads being flooded with the same garbage by the same person 50 times.

 

So next time you have a brilliant idea for the 2nd time in the same thread, think about it before you hit the submit button, because I am just going to start deleting posts that are redundant and don't come crying to me or any of the other moderators that your post got deleted.

 

Because this is your problem, just because you think something is the right way doesn't mean everyone else under the sun has to do exactly what you think!!!! You think having a stock fully closed is a terrible idea, other people think its a fantastic idea. WONDERFUL! post your opinion ONCE!!!!!! and move on. You don't need to post 50 times in one thread saying the same damn thing! And we as moderators DO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT because we don't need threads being flooded with the same garbage by the same person 50 times.

 

So next time you have a brilliant idea for the 2nd time in the same thread, think about it before you hit the submit button, because I am just going to start deleting posts that are redundant and don't come crying to me or any of the other moderators that your post got deleted.

:clap:

Because this is your problem, just because you think something is the right way doesn't mean everyone else under the sun has to do exactly what you think!!!! You think having a stock fully closed is a terrible idea, other people think its a fantastic idea. WONDERFUL! post your opinion ONCE!!!!!! and move on. You don't need to post 50 times in one thread saying the same damn thing! And we as moderators DO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT because we don't need threads being flooded with the same garbage by the same person 50 times.

 

So next time you have a brilliant idea for the 2nd time in the same thread, think about it before you hit the submit button, because I am just going to start deleting posts that are redundant and don't come crying to me or any of the other moderators that your post got deleted.

 

 

so i guess when you discuss things you never say ANYTHING more than once.. you choose every single word and letter as to duplicate nothing..:roll: lets hope to god you never have any children.. because if you do you will find yourself repeating things MANY times till they finally get it.. and I am sure that would be very difficult for you to deal with...

 

I have met at least 2 people on this board and helped them in person put together a rifle for no other reason than to help them.. I joined this site because i have a love for firearms and enjoy sharing and talking about them.. sorry if sometimes something is important enough to me to stress a second OR even THIRD time...

 

please.. do us both a favor and stop trolling my posts as I am sure your expertise can be put to use elsewhere... this thread had TONS of posts in it.. many complaining.. but yet mine sucked you right in.. and you HAD to throw your two cents in.. the post i made did not name you, or mention anything disparaging about you.. so please.. leave me be..

LET IT GO......

 

Walk away......

I can't I tried but I just can't ignore this.

 

Last time I checked in order to own a firearm you have to be of age, and there for you are no longer a child. So why don't you do us all a favor and stop referring to us a one. Thanks!

I can't I tried but I just can't ignore this.

 

Last time I checked in order to own a firearm you have to be of age, and there for you are no longer a child. So why don't you do us all a favor and stop referring to us a one. Thanks!

 

 

PM sent as to try to deal with this BS that apparently exists between us...

this way the rest of the forum doesnt have to deal with it all...

 

the PM was extremely civil just as my posts has been... i will add nothing more to this in the public forum..

I can't I tried but I just can't ignore this.

 

Last time I checked in order to own a firearm you have to be of age, and there for you are no longer a child. So why don't you do us all a favor and stop referring to us a one. Thanks!

 

 

PM sent as to try to deal with this BS that apparently exists between us...

this way the rest of the forum doesnt have to deal with it all...

 

the PM was extremely civil just as my posts has been... i will add nothing more to this in the public forum..

 

 

Despite your reverting to PM, I am sensing a flare for the dramatic here. And I haven't even read the stock thread that I will assume exists somewhere.

 

Seriously buddy, your getting a bit overworked. Wasted energy.

My issue with the forums as I've voiced privately is the growing trend of elitism (generally speaking) and group think. Its a common issue with any forum, but I've noticed here particularly that in many cases, the "homey" feel of things can alienate newcomers.

I don't think its necessarily a bad thing as this is a local forum to began with, and many of the members have met or are/have become associates/friends with each other (which proves that it is fine with many). Further, what a person decides to do regardless of what the rules or etiquette states is their choice alone (though, consequences can be cruel as this is still a privately owned entity), and to take away that choice would be "un-American."

 

But is there backlash? Yea, I would think so. I have learned my share, and become a bit more conservative from the different facets that have emerged from this forum. However, in many ways this forum continues to not embrace the concept of educating the anti's and fence-sitters (in regards to firearms), if not being downright hostile. Would it be a broad paint stroke to say that's the whole problem with the entire firearms community? Probably as those on the other side of the line are as irrational. However, why continue to push away the same people we say we're trying to educate? Hypocrisy, definitely.

 

I've learned my lesson and I keep most of my opinions to myself. I try to be technical and blunt because:

1. Most people won't read a post beyond the first few sentences

2. Many people in this community are victims of group think, and won't look beyond there peripheral.

The first one I'm guilty of, so, I can't hold that against people. The second one though is a continuing trend that feeds the constant irrational "battles" between pro-2A and anti-2A (as both are guilty of it). While I think its ridiculous myself that a person wouldn't look beyond the "walls of their house," again I can't hold that against them because this is a free country-- and people are entitled to whatever they wish.

 

Thanks for the support for those who have PM'ed me personally. In that same breath though, I do wish more people would speak out. Like 'shock jocks,' a loud few paint, sometimes, a terrible picture of the greater whole-- and that's not fair. So, take a stand for yourself-- even if it means taking some flak on occasion.

 

I do agree with the principle that it does get repetitive when people continue to beat a thread to death... and, please, use the search function first if it is a general question. Or, hey, do want you want!

My issue with the forums as I've voiced privately is the growing trend of elitism (generally speaking) and group think. Its a common issue with any forum, but I've noticed here particularly that in many cases, the "homey" feel of things can alienate newcomers.

 

Exactly, without all the "noobs" the site would consist of 5-10 regulars.

 

I asked a question that I could have easily Googled but I thought it would be relevant to have the answer to that question posted on this site for various reasons. I could give 2 shits that I was mocked since this is a gun forum where people should be able to ask gun related questions. Why ask any question on this site then if all you have to do is Google it and get directed to another gun site with the answer?

This is the problem with gun people. They believe that their guns, lights, lasers, stocks, grips, calibers, set-ups, sights, scopes, form, or whatever else is the right way and that they'll try to convince you to see it as that. Alot of us here are guilty of that. I've been guilty of that. What I'll do is say: you can try it this way or not. But, whatever floats your boat.

 

That quote "whatever floats your boat" for me means I wouldn't do it or buy it, but it's your money and do as you wish.

When did NJGF become NJPF?