Well for some of us, our eyes havent aged so well So I dont buy cheap scopes I used to be able to hit a 10" by 10" plate at 300 with irons standing probably 8 out of 10 shots without breaking to much of a sweat. Im not sure I could do that today. The rifle I just bought will have the irons pulled off and will only have the optic on it. In part its to save some weight, but with the quality of the optic I dont feel the need for irons on this particuler rifle. I actually feel that the age of Irons may very well have come to pass. Optics simply have too much of an advantage in just about every role.

Dang every time I see that I wonder why I didn't think about pointing the dang thing at the curb.

 

Huh? Why?

Well for some of us, our eyes havent aged so well So I dont buy cheap scopes I used to be able to hit a 10" by 10" plate at 300 with irons standing probably 8 out of 10 shots without breaking to much of a sweat. Im not sure I could do that today. The rifle I just bought will have the irons pulled off and will only have the optic on it. In part its to save some weight, but with the quality of the optic I dont feel the need for irons on this particuler rifle. I actually feel that the age of Irons may very well have come to pass. Optics simply have too much of an advantage in just about every role.

 

I use optics too, nothing wrong with them. But IMO everyone who owns a rifle should be able to use it with iron sights. Rifles designed specifically for scopes excluded from that, of course. And older people, etc. then yeah I can see them being unable to use irons well so I don't count that either.

Dang every time I see that I wonder why I didn't think about pointing the dang thing at the curb.

 

Huh? Why?

 

 

I didn't want to take my eyes off the target, that was one thing. But the other is the the muzzle is pointed at the cement directly in front of me. Not really an issue, but I don't like that I did it. So by keeping sites on the target my muzzle awareness is not what I would have liked.

Dang every time I see that I wonder why I didn't think about pointing the dang thing at the curb.

 

Huh? Why?

 

 

I didn't want to take my eyes off the target, that was one thing. But the other is the the muzzle is pointed at the cement directly in front of me. Not really an issue, but I don't like that I did it. So by keeping sites on the target my muzzle awareness is not what I would have liked.

 

Oh I see what you're talking about. Yeah - The sticky bolt can cause things to happen like that.

This thread has tipped the balance for me, I'm buying a Mosin!

This thread has tipped the balance for me, I'm buying a Mosin!

:pray:

 

Shane, if you really think about it, a stock Glock and a race gun do the exactly the same thing. EXACTLY. Just like a Mosin can do the exact same thing a Remy 700 or Ruger M77.

sigh......

 

Ray, they dont and they cant.

A stock mustang GT cant break 300mph in a quarter mile.(At a sanctioned track, not off a cliff)

A stock Glock wont win the open division at the Area X nationals.

A mosin cant allow the operator to carry magazines filled with mission specific ammo.

 

 

They can all go bang, if thats the level of pointless comparison your looking for then your right.

Mission specific ammo? Like magazines carrying a variety of different kinds of ammo?? Uhhh...like STRIPPER CLIPS

 

IDK what different missions you plan on doing with a Mosin anyways? Hunting with modern/reload soft points, or shooting everything else with surplus steel core FMJ.

Another thing that gets me is many, many, many people out there also have no idea how to actually shoot a rifle in regular field positions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

crap... didnt get a pic shootin prone Prone + M44 = OUCH!

OK, how about this, let me see you pull your mosin action and drop it into an AICS chassis system. Let me see you spin on a new barrel and shoot at 1500 yds with it. Let me see you mount a 34mm scope on it with NV. Now Im not here to bash a mosin, what Im bashing is the comparisons. So pointing out what a mosin cant do is not cracking on the mosin, its cracking on saying they are the same or comparable to a 700. No one is going to ship their mosin off to George Gardner or Mike Racino to have them modify it to be a 3/8th guarunteed rifle. Its apples / oranges unless you mean they both go bang :roll:

unless you mean they both go bang :roll:

It's RayRay.. that's what he meant.

:laughing-rolling:

This thread has tipped the balance for me, I'm buying a Mosin!

 

i just did ... refinishing the stock (removing the varnish and will just use finishing oil) and installling the trigger slack spring when it comes in.

OK, how about this, let me see you pull your mosin action and drop it into an AICS chassis system. Let me see you spin on a new barrel and shoot at 1500 yds with it. Let me see you mount a 34mm scope on it with NV. Now Im not here to bash a mosin, what Im bashing is the comparisons. So pointing out what a mosin cant do is not cracking on the mosin, its cracking on saying they are the same or comparable to a 700. No one is going to ship their mosin off to George Gardner or Mike Racino to have them modify it to be a 3/8th guarunteed rifle. Its apples / oranges unless you mean they both go bang :roll:

 

 

Well, you can drill & tap it for scope mounts and you can with workgaruntee it to shoot 3/8"

 

So what cant it do?

Find me the mosin that will do 3/8ths for 5 at 100.....anywhere...............

Find me the mosin that can compete at 1500 yds..... anywhere...............

 

We can debate minutia all day about how you can drop 4k to make a mosin do what a 2k 700 can but the POINT is the comparisons are silly.

well, if you sent it out to a top guy like you mentioned sending a 700 out to, it can be made to do just the same. Sure it will cost a few more bucks in work but the end result will be a rifle just as capable as a 700 which is what you were saying isnt possible. I'de like to see a 700 chambered in 7.62x54r (I know, they dont exist) compete at 1500 yards though. If your talking about a bigger chambering 700 (greater than 30-06) its an unfair comparison. Its like asking a .22 to compete at 600 yards.

 

Its a friggen barrel with a lock on the back of it. How can it NOT be made to shoot 3/8"? You have a smith lap the lugs, bed the action, put a fresh crown on it and tada, you have a 3/8 capable rifle. True the threads etc and you can get even more out of it. If you still think its not possible, throw me some money and I'll send my mosin out :roll: and it will shoot >3/8"

 

Sure, it will cost money just like a 700 but the point of the argument is that it is possible and really not all THAT hard

Another thing that gets me is many, many, many people out there also have no idea how to actually shoot a rifle in regular field positions.

 

 

crap... didnt get a pic shootin prone Prone + M44 = OUCH!

 

Cool, nice pics. I'm glad you know how to shoot for real. It's a shame though, that for every guy like you and me, there's 3-4 that need a bench, vise, sandbags, etc.

sigh......

 

Ray, they dont and they cant.

A stock mustang GT cant break 300mph in a quarter mile.(At a sanctioned track, not off a cliff)

A stock Glock wont win the open division at the Area X nationals.

 

 

 

They can all go bang, if thats the level of pointless comparison your looking for then your right.

 

If you had Dave Sevigny running his production or limited glock against open shooters at an area match he might not win, but he will place in the top 10. That being said you can race a stock gt against a funny car, and the GT can win. Bracket race them they have a specific time that they need to run if they go over or under they lose. so anything is possible. Talent and skill is something you can't buy.

Well, as soon as I get my Mosin I think we should do a NJGF Mosin Match. Any interested?

of course... :clap:

And I want to nominate Maksim as the Match Director.

Eric's modified mosin is shooting those groups...

 

Btw... Mosin match rifle...

 

right here.

 

http://www.empirearms.com/28-76.htm

 

 

Mosin sniper... (modern sniper)

OTS-48, effective range 1000 meters.

 

 

Same rifle in bullpup design... not quite desert tactical.... but nice.

 

 

http://russian-weapons.com/2008/09/ots-48/

Eric's modified mosin is shooting those groups...

 

Btw... Mosin match rifle...

 

right here.

 

http://www.empirearms.com/28-76.htm

 

But we should organize our very own NJGF MN Match...

Dont forget that finnish target rifle, the $999 one that AIM had and I think centerfire still has. Its a mosin and VERY accurate

There is absolutely no reason you cannot modify a Mosin to shoot just as good as a 700. Custom barrel, sporterized stock, aftermarket scope, trigger job, match grade reload ammo. Voila.

 

I would say it is *not* inside the scope or spirit of this thread though. Kinda late to the party on this comment tho...lol... 10 pages in

There should be a new thread:

 

"Why? Anything other than a mosin nagant..."

"Why waste your money on anything but a mosin when it can do the same thing..."

 

 

 

 

Same rifle in bullpup design... not quite desert tactical.... but nice.

 

 

 

Hmm, that one appeals to me greatly, for some reason....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I

 

, ......... :clap:

yes... the elusive Obrez pistol

1st and formost yer all like a bunch of school girls stuck arguing the theoreticals of an insignificant detail instead of the actual point! But Ill play

 

Sirsloop, heres the rub. Go find me a top barrel maker that will spin you up a mosin barrel, have it to you in less than 4 months and not charge you....say 6 times the value of the rifle. Im betting you wont find one to even do it at all......

 

As for those making the group claims, remember, I didnt say 1 moa, I didnt say half, I said 3/8ths! I only know of 2 top top top tier custom builders giving that kind of garuntee! And one of them wont do it on anything but a custom action, not even a trued and blue printed remmy action!

 

Ronhonda, you make my point for me somewhat. He likely will not win in the super squad but the POINT is he wouldnt try. You use an open gun when competing in open class because thats what is competitive because a limited gun CAN NOT give you the advantages an open gun does.

 

glennp you also make my point that the 700 can do what a mosin cant, a magnum chambering... so again I dont see the point in comparing a mosin to a 700.

 

As for a mosin match, please no. I hate buying more guns just so I can compete in another single discipline!!!!