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Next week will be a bill on making a bed. LOL!!

 

Monday, August 23, 2010

BY SUSAN K. LIVIO

State House Bureau

STATE HOUSE BUREAU

TRENTON

cant shoot anything greater than a .22LR until you prove you can jerk off with your left hand....

"Riders who passed their driving test using a small motorcycle or scooter with an engine displacement, or size, of less than 231 cubic centimeters will be restricted to operating a bike with an engine size 500 cubic centimeters or less."

 

UH OH. I actually agree with this one

so that means if you want to ride a GSXR 1000 or something you need to own THREE motorcycles? A scooter, a 500cc bike, and a 1000cc bike?

"Riders who passed their driving test using a small motorcycle or scooter with an engine displacement, or size, of less than 231 cubic centimeters will be restricted to operating a bike with an engine size 500 cubic centimeters or less."

 

UH OH. I actually agree with this one

 

Really Shane? That is like saying since I took my road test in a honda civic, I can't drive my Silverado truck. When you have to rent a bike for a road test you can't really rent a Harley or a Ninja 900. I just hate being regulated to death in this friggin state.

 

My 2 cents...

I think in some other countries they have similar restrictions. I kinda agree a little bit , If you can ride a vespa doesn't mean you can ride a 1000 cc motorcycle. Unless it's a Harley cause they are so slow.

Don't these people have anything better to do ? Who dreams this stuff up ?

Stupid law. Now everyone will make sure they take their test on a 250. I agree that a new rider should not be on a 170HP 400LBS rocket. But this will do nothing to deter that. The NJMSF course uses 125CC bikes. Will all that pass the test through them be restricted also?

Our tax dollars going to waste to create more feel good legislation.............

show me where it says the government should have ANY SAY on what size engine you "can handle" in ANY vehicle? If I want to drive a 2000hp race car down the street, I should be allowed to as long as it passes emissions and complies with legislated safety standards. Oh, wait... you can't drive that you aren't good enough yet. How about ENFORCING the laws on the ignoramus drivers before making new pointless laws aimed at people that can probably drive. If only the state had a nickel for every time someone littered or drove like a retard.

I think in some other countries they have similar restrictions. I kinda agree a little bit , If you can ride a vespa doesn't mean you can ride a 1000 cc motorcycle. Unless it's a Harley cause they are so slow.

 

Dude why the Harley hate.

I gotta get out of this hellhole!

Wait a minute. You guys were all over my butt because I wanted to exit this Leftist Utopia because of their idiotic firearms laws. You were all advocating staying and fighting et al. Now that it hits close to home and the shoe is on the other foot you all want to get up and leave?

 

All of you are baby cats!

Heres the facts. I had a long conversation the the regional director at Rider Insurance. Heres what he had to say. Liter bike sportbikes are an 8 out of 10 total loss in this state. And closing in on 9 out of 10. Their investigation exposed that MANY of these riders bought a GSXR/R1/CBR/ZX as their FIRST bike and that a good many of them took their road test on a freekin scooter. How well does a scooter prepare you for something that closes in on 150mph from a dead stop in about 10 seconds? The car analogy is not applicable here. The differences are extreme. Its more like does a few tries at the stick of a cessna make you good to go flying a jumbo jet? The impact of not having any kind of match to what you test out on vs what you actually ride is a startling amount of fatalities and total losses. Now on the if you wanna go kill yourself side, well I believe you have that right. But on the total loss side, now you affect me. Because of all these kids racking em up, the cost to insure a liter bike EVEN FOR MY +40 ass with 1 ticket ever over 20 years ago is well over 2k a year!!!!!!

Other countires have a really staged license scheme. You need to do a year in each catagory before moving up. For those of you saying dont tell me what size I can ride, its not. Its saying if you test on a scooter, stay on a scooter. I think it should be under 500/under 500. 231/500 makes no sense to me.

Heres the facts. I had a long conversation the the regional director at Rider Insurance. Heres what he had to say. Liter bike sportbikes are an 8 out of 10 total loss in this state. And closing in on 9 out of 10. Their investigation exposed that MANY of these riders bought a GSXR/R1/CBR/ZX as their FIRST bike and that a good many of them took their road test on a freekin scooter. How well does a scooter prepare you for something that closes in on 150mph from a dead stop in about 10 seconds?

 

Please tell me how that "test" administered by the NJDMV does anything to prepare someone for riding a motorized 2-wheeled vehicle on NJ streets(or any streets for that matter)?

"show me where it says the government should have ANY SAY on what size engine you "can handle" in ANY vehicle?"

 

Go look at CDL licensing. goes far beyond engine size

Captains licenses for ships I believe do to.

Im pretty sure Pilots licenses do too.

Simple Jon, let me see newjack hustle his CBR 600 though the cones, if he can, its a better indication to me he can ride it versus a scooter!

Simple Jon, let me see newjack hustle his CBR 600 though the cones, if he can, its a better indication to me he can ride it versus a scooter!

 

What does riding a bike like that through a slalom at 3mph and then stopping in a box after accelerating to 10mph have to do with riding in the real world?

Simple Jon, let me see newjack hustle his CBR 600 though the cones, if he can, its a better indication to me he can ride it versus a scooter!

 

What does riding a bike like that through a slalom at 3mph and then stopping in a box after accelerating to 10mph have to do with riding in the real world?

 

+1 Yet this test is 10x harder than the automobile driver's test...

"Riders who passed their driving test using a small motorcycle or scooter with an engine displacement, or size, of less than 231 cubic centimeters will be restricted to operating a bike with an engine size 500 cubic centimeters or less."

 

UH OH. I actually agree with this one

 

Shane- Though in theory this seems to make sense...What about MSF? They train and license on small bikes. How will this complicate the training? Secondly, this changes the demographics of motorcycle sales in this state. There are only a handfull, if that many, road bikes sold that fit into this class. If it was a national law the importers would address it as the bikes are available in the global market place but not here. Don't think it will pass the senate, Harley Davidson will be affected the most and they have a strong lobby, the AMA.

 

The scooters on the highway restriction is a good thing.

I think in some other countries they have similar restrictions. I kinda agree a little bit , If you can ride a vespa doesn't mean you can ride a 1000 cc motorcycle. Unless it's a Harley cause they are so slow.

 

Dude why the Harley hate.

 

 

Not hate...FACT

I think in some other countries they have similar restrictions. I kinda agree a little bit , If you can ride a vespa doesn't mean you can ride a 1000 cc motorcycle. Unless it's a Harley cause they are so slow.

 

Dude why the Harley hate.

 

 

Not hate...FACT

 

Hey my Harley ain't slow, it just takes awhile to get up to speed . I guess I just got older and wanted to see the scenery while I ride. Nothing against crotch rockets, I had many over the years.

Heres the facts. I had a long conversation the the regional director at Rider Insurance. Heres what he had to say. Liter bike sportbikes are an 8 out of 10 total loss in this state. And closing in on 9 out of 10. Their investigation exposed that MANY of these riders bought a GSXR/R1/CBR/ZX as their FIRST bike and that a good many of them took their road test on a freekin scooter. How well does a scooter prepare you for something that closes in on 150mph from a dead stop in about 10 seconds? The car analogy is not applicable here. The differences are extreme. Its more like does a few tries at the stick of a cessna make you good to go flying a jumbo jet? The impact of not having any kind of match to what you test out on vs what you actually ride is a startling amount of fatalities and total losses. Now on the if you wanna go kill yourself side, well I believe you have that right. But on the total loss side, now you affect me. Because of all these kids racking em up, the cost to insure a liter bike EVEN FOR MY +40 a** with 1 ticket ever over 20 years ago is well over 2k a year!!!!!!

 

Shane- That's "Insurance Speak" Total loss means the cost of repair exceeds some guideline related to value. The plastic/bodywork is so expensive that many Very lightly damaged bikes are totaled.

Heres the facts. I had a long conversation the the regional director at Rider Insurance. Heres what he had to say. Liter bike sportbikes are an 8 out of 10 total loss in this state. And closing in on 9 out of 10. Their investigation exposed that MANY of these riders bought a GSXR/R1/CBR/ZX as their FIRST bike and that a good many of them took their road test on a freekin scooter. How well does a scooter prepare you for something that closes in on 150mph from a dead stop in about 10 seconds? The car analogy is not applicable here. The differences are extreme. Its more like does a few tries at the stick of a cessna make you good to go flying a jumbo jet? The impact of not having any kind of match to what you test out on vs what you actually ride is a startling amount of fatalities and total losses. Now on the if you wanna go kill yourself side, well I believe you have that right. But on the total loss side, now you affect me. Because of all these kids racking em up, the cost to insure a liter bike EVEN FOR MY +40 a** with 1 ticket ever over 20 years ago is well over 2k a year!!!!!!

 

Progressive Insurance- Insured 2-Yam FZ1's, 1 Sportster and one HawkGT. Full coverage 500K enough to meet my Umbrella policy w/ collision Less than $900. You are getting ripped

When i was 23 i bought a Kawasaki Ninja , When i bought the bike the dealer lent me a scooter to take my test on , i was like what the hell do i need this for since ive been ridin dirt bikes and quads since i was 12 , he said youll never pass the test on the ninja , i said what , he said the turning radious on the sportbikes is too short and cant make the turns through the cones , so i took the test on a scooter , needless to say the DMV people do not like this but was legal , so i figured it would only be a matter of time for them to change this law , well that was 16 years ago , im now 39 and needless to say have owned harleys ever since i sold the ninja ...

Simple Jon, let me see newjack hustle his CBR 600 though the cones, if he can, its a better indication to me he can ride it versus a scooter!

 

What does riding a bike like that through a slalom at 3mph and then stopping in a box after accelerating to 10mph have to do with riding in the real world?

 

Jon- It proves the ability of low speed handling, such as being stuck in traffic and low speed control. Can't agree with you on this one...sorry.

So how do you stem the tide of wanna be cool guys that think an R1 is ok for their first bike? I 100% believe this is a sport bike issue not a cc issue. As for the comments on loss.... well I know rider seemed to have a policy that if the frame aint cracked, it aint totalled :?

 

FZ1, Hawk, Sportster, none of which are on the "HOT" list. Ask your insurance co what the cost is to insure a ZX10, CBR100R, GSXR1000, R1, specifically.

 

Progressive online came in at +1700 for me

Our tax dollars going to waste to create more feel good legislation.............

 

+a million

Jon- It proves the ability of low speed handling, such as being stuck in traffic and low speed control. Can't agree with you on this one...sorry.

 

not really arguing just kinda throwing this out there.. bikes dont really get stuck in traffic.. they ride the shoulder lol

Typical of NJ to make things as complicated as possible. If they wanted to pass something that helps people and saves lives they could maybe pass a law that says motorcycles can go down the shoulder at 40mph in heavy traffic, and ups the fines for cars that do it. Tack on to that bill that an MSF course is required, instead of tacking on useless engine size garbage and adding a class of license that can't possibly be followed. How can you get from any 35mph road to another without hitting a 45mph road, or crossing one? Before I get jumped on for the MSF course thing, let me just say that I rode for over 20 years and when I took an MSF course I learned useful life saving information. Basic information shouldn't be a luckily finding out situation.