http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101201/sc_afp/usmilitaryweaponsafghanistan

 

-This thing is bada$$! F U Taliban!

Woo XM25.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101201/sc_afp/usmilitaryweaponsafghanistan

 

-This thing is bada$$! F U Taliban!

 

 

damn...they're not NJ legal

damn...they're not NJ legal

Another reason to move to PA... a $30,000 grenade launcher.

Another reason to move to PA... a $30,000 grenade launcher.

 

And each round is only $200.00 What a bargain...Think of all the stuff you can do with it. I mean, it must be every day that I need to shoot a grenade through a window and kill all the occupants inside.

And each round is only $200.00 What a bargain...Think of all the stuff you can do with it. I mean, it must be every day that I need to shoot a grenade through a window and kill all the occupants inside.

 

Every time I drive on the Parkway on a weekend....

Every time I drive on the Parkway on a weekend....

 

RT 18 for me...sometimes i wish i could drive a tank.

only 200 bucks a round, psh since i have 30K laying around for buy one of these like one would even have to worry about that!...damnit I just woke up from the nicest dream...oh well

 

Bad@$$!!!!!!

And each round is only $200.00 What a bargain...

 

i'd probably consider paying more to blow sh*t up! especially those Jihadies

Wasn't this on Future Weapons a while back?

At $200 a round, it is a shame you can't reload, because everything goes KaBoom.

It's a piece of ****.

Here's my take on it.....that thing looks AWESOME. It really does. But the cost benefit doesn't seem to add up to me. It seems like in a time when our country cant even afford to be at war.....we are not only at war but funding these new high tech weapons. Even at $25,000 a piece, which is the low price point, this will cost over $312 million for only 12,500 units, and will cost $375 million at the top price. For 12,500 units, that does NOT seem effective to me. That is not even considering the ammunition, which I would have to imagine is not cheap by any means. On top of that, soldiers will also need to be trained to use this new weapon. Like I said, I think that new technology like this is freakin' awesome, but the U.S. government is like a little kid making their Christmas list. I respect our soldiers like no other. They put themselves in harms way and expect next to nothing in return. But they already have a HUGE technological and equipment advantage over the enemy. I do not think this is the time to spend upwards of $500 million for a new fancy grenade launcher. This should be a time where we pull our soldiers out, and use them for say.....maybe securing the border?

That is most likely the legacy of the top half of the Objective Individual Combat Weapon program's HK XM29.

 

 

They have been working on that thing since the '90s. The XM8 was supposed to be attached underneath the grenade launcher sort of like an inverted M203 with some serious computer controlled ranging optics that could be used to program the grenade before it was fired.

 

I knew they had some issues in the early 2000's where the rounds were exploding in the chamber of the grenade launchers. I think one of the guys working on the program was killed... I actually thought this died when they killed the XM8, guess not.

It's a piece of ****.

 

 

And what did you have to do with this marvel Lad?? Keep up the good work!!

Here's my take on it.....that thing looks AWESOME. It really does. But the cost benefit doesn't seem to add up to me. It seems like in a time when our country cant even afford to be at war.....we are not only at war but funding these new high tech weapons. Even at $25,000 a piece, which is the low price point, this will cost over $312 million for only 12,500 units, and will cost $375 million at the top price. For 12,500 units, that does NOT seem effective to me. That is not even considering the ammunition, which I would have to imagine is not cheap by any means. On top of that, soldiers will also need to be trained to use this new weapon. Like I said, I think that new technology like this is freakin' awesome, but the U.S. government is like a little kid making their Christmas list. I respect our soldiers like no other. They put themselves in harms way and expect next to nothing in return. But they already have a HUGE technological and equipment advantage over the enemy. I do not think this is the time to spend upwards of $500 million for a new fancy grenade launcher. This should be a time where we pull our soldiers out, and use them for say.....maybe securing the border?

 

Well I guess if you were a dog in the fight or had a family member in it your thinking might be a little different. There are plenty of ways to cut the defense bill but if this helps save soldiers lives then I am all for it. When you think about the price, not much of a drop in the bucket. My 2 cents, YMMV.

Well I guess if you were a dog in the fight or had a family member in it your thinking might be a little different. There are plenty of ways to cut the defense bill but if this helps save soldiers lives then I am all for it. When you think about the price, not much of a drop in the bucket. My 2 cents, YMMV.

I agree.. i'd cut back on the billion dollar projects but everything is a tricky proposition. There are so many things over the years that come out of the skunk work projects, lots of things end up in the private sector.

 

Why dont we let the private sector do all the work you say? Well we still need to try and keep some things under wraps, at least make the chinese and russians work to steal our stuff.

 

I would be curious to see how far ahead humanity would be if we put all the distrust away and really trusted each other and worked together on things. I'm sure we'd be closer to colonizing star systems than we are now.

Well I guess if you were a dog in the fight or had a family member in it your thinking might be a little different. There are plenty of ways to cut the defense bill but if this helps save soldiers lives then I am all for it. When you think about the price, not much of a drop in the bucket. My 2 cents, YMMV.

No, ~$500 million when you account the weapons, ammo, and training is not a lot of money itself. But when you have unnecessary stuff like this getting approved and purchased left and right.....it adds up. In and of itself, this is not a big purchase, but everything adds up to us being trillions of dollars in debt. Its like buying little things here and there....we all do it. No those couple boxes of ammo dont cost much....especially when they are on sale. But when you are thousands of dollars in debt, and you buy those couple boxes of ammo, a new sling, flashlight attachment, more mags, a new stereo for your car, a new video game, 15 new itunes songs .......it ALL adds up even though each individual item does not cost much. And the best way to save soldiers lives, pull them out. Seriously, I am pro-military. I support the soldiers. I try to make it a point to thank someone I see in uniform. But I think the priorities need to be looked at, and they need to be pulled. Pull them, let most go back to their families and stay on reserve in case we NEED them. Station a small portion along the border with "shoot on site" authority. Bam, right there, save a crap ton of money that we were spending on the war, and eliminates a portion of our illegal immigration problem. I mean all this stuff is common sense.

No, ~$500 million when you account the weapons, ammo, and training is not a lot of money itself. But when you have unnecessary stuff like this getting approved and purchased left and right.....it adds up. In and of itself, this is not a big purchase, but everything adds up to us being trillions of dollars in debt. Its like buying little things here and there....we all do it. No those couple boxes of ammo dont cost much....especially when they are on sale. But when you are thousands of dollars in debt, and you buy those couple boxes of ammo, a new sling, flashlight attachment, more mags, a new stereo for your car, a new video game, 15 new itunes songs .......it ALL adds up even though each individual item does not cost much. And the best way to save soldiers lives, pull them out. Seriously, I am pro-military. I support the soldiers. I try to make it a point to thank someone I see in uniform. But I think the priorities need to be looked at, and they need to be pulled. Pull them, let most go back to their families and stay on reserve in case we NEED them. Station a small portion along the border with "shoot on site" authority. Bam, right there, save a crap ton of money that we were spending on the war, and eliminates a portion of our illegal immigration problem. I mean all this stuff is common sense.

 

Well you being in debt and buying ammo and flashlights is a bit different then soldiers on the line having every tool available to them. I agree that everything adds up, but they are not choosing where and when to fight. If we send them then we have an obligation to equip them with whatever will bring them home safe. Now as far as pulling them all back and waiting till we need them, well who decides the need? Not everyone will agree where or when to deploy. What war would be worth fighting to you?

Well you being in debt and buying ammo and flashlights is a bit different then soldiers on the line having every tool available to them. I agree that everything adds up, but they are not choosing where and when to fight. If we send them then we have an obligation to equip them with whatever will bring them home safe.

I can agree with that 100%. Again, I could say it a million times, I respect our soldiers more than anybody out there. If this was back when the war started, I would be all for it. But things are going downhill, and I dont see them getting better anytime soon. I DO NOT think we should send our soldiers to war with anything less than the best. But if we as a nation are in a position where we either cannot provide the money to send them, or providing the best for them means putting this country so deep in debt that we will be paying it off for generations to come.....then they SHOULD NOT be sent into combat. I am talking about the greater good of everyone.....and right now the greater good for everyone means no war, no extra super fancy toys for the soldiers, and to fix the mayhem that is our current society. And my comparison to the soldiers was just a simple comparison on wise money handling and how small expenses in large numbers add up.

 

Now as far as pulling them all back and waiting till we need them, well who decides the need? Not everyone will agree where or when to deploy. What war would be worth fighting to you?

When we are attacked or could possibly be attacked very soon. When the citizens lives are actually in danger or in threat of being in danger. This country historically has a habit of sticking its nose where it doesnt belong. Im sorry, but I personally dont give a crap if the Iraqi government is in shambles. That is not MY problem. Why should MY country that MY taxes go towards be put into another nation. Again, if resources were abundant I would be all for it. But right now our priorities and resources should be focused on problems that we have WITHIN our country.

What the XM25 does is allow the boots on the ground to make a tactical decision. From what I've read of how this launcher works, and what I read a long time ago when they were doing T&E, this should cut back on the overall usage of UAV and Apache strikes in most situations.

What does that mean? Well, for the most part, it will save lives. I would say it would cost less, but seeing how there was recent news of the production of UAVs being increased... not so much the case.

 

I'm more interested to see how the Mk19 is improved in the coming months.

Echoes of OCSW. This will never reach production.

 

Edit: OICW, this one isn't crew-served. But still.

Echoes of OCSW. This will never reach production.

 

Edit: OICW, this one isn't crew-served. But still.

 

The OCSW was intended to be the replacement for the MK-19 while the OICW XM-29 was intended to be the replacement for the M-16/M203 (XM-8/XM-25)...

And each round is only $200.00 What a bargain...Think of all the stuff you can do with it. I mean, it must be every day that I need to shoot a grenade through a window and kill all the occupants inside.

 

Two or three times daily for me. Minimum.

Just waiting for Treyarch to put it in the next downloadable content for Call Of Duty Black Ops lololololol!

damn...they're not NJ legal

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I have also been wondering how long it takes to fire this thing. How long is the process of lazing the target, locking on with the launcher, setting when it explodes, then pulling the trigger? Thats one issue I have with this....it could potentially leave a soldier exposed through this process.

It's done with a quick trigger pull, I believe. The big unit on the top is the laser/rangefinder, etc.

First the target has to be lazed, then the explosion time set, then the trigger pulled. That is how the article describes it.....seems like three separate actions. I am wondering how long these actions take. If it was just pulling the trigger, it would be the same as any other launcher. What sets this one apart is its accuracy over long distances, and ability to program its explosion time. None of this can be achieved simply by pulling the trigger.....

Ha, don't be concerned with those types of details. This type of process has been the staple for air strikes for quite some time now-- and they tend to work with lethal efficiency.