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Point Pleasant Drug Raid

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They were the evil "DUM DUM" BB's. What a piece of garbage press release. At this point legalize pot and have the government sell it. Then they get tax dollars like booze and smokes. I think it is inevitable pot is legalized in CA the wine growing is $2 billion a year and pot is $14 billion. The way the states need money I think it's possible.

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  • all those things listed are already crimes and have NO bearing on drugs being legal or not legal.. you said it yourself... drugs are illegal and people still get hurt constantly... how many people are

  • The problem with libertarian views on drugs, prostitution, and "anything that has no effect on me" laws is it comes to the point for anyone to agree lines need to be drawn and laws made. If a 30 year

  • Must have been one of those evil "military style assault BB gun with a high cap magazine loaded with cop killer BBs"

And, what if some high school kid gets blind stupid high, jumps into daddy's car for a run to WaWa, and runs a busload of nuns and orphans off the road and down a ravine? What's the dollar value in preventing that?

What if it wasn't a bus load of nuns and orphans? What if he got high and killed a homeless man? Would the money be worth it then?

 

Hell yes it would be worth that $86k and more. That is the point in taking down drug dealers. Drug dealers supply drugs to people so they can get high and do stupid things. Preventing people from doing stupid things saves lives. I am actually RELIEVED to see that law enforcement isn't backing down.

I find it extremely funny that spending taxpayer money to get true criminals off the street is frowned upon.......yet half the forum supported spending taxpayer money for a helicopter flyover, 21 gun salute, and a parade for a police dog. Getting these criminals off the street is MUCH more important.

 

 

want to end drug crime? legalize drugs...

 

when government made alcohol illegal.. what happened? it spawned an uncontrollable underworld.. filled with crime.. murder.. money.. power... people turned to the underworld for their daily fix.... government eventually wised up.. realized that a war on alcohol.. can not be won.. the same is true for a war on drugs... people say oh well what if people steal to get drug money.. THEY ALREADY DO.. lock them up for stealing... people say oh what if people drive under the influence.. THEY ALREADY DO.. lock them up... if you remove laws regarding possession.. you remove the inflated value society has created.. making it not worth it to traffic drugs.. instead.. punish the behavior.. public intoxication.. stealing.. driving under the influence.. those are crimes, because they represent a genuine threat to others.. simply the legality of possessing a plant that grows in the ground should not even be open to discussion... and to take it one step further.. just to further illustrate the waste that is the war on drugs.. ask the next person you see if they shoot heroin.. when they tell you NO! ask them why.. I am not sure what the answer will be.. could be something like "I am not a loser" or "that **** will kill you" etc.. but I am just about %100 sure what they will NOT tell you, and that is "I really thought about shooting drugs.. but since they are illegal I don't do it"... people who do drugs.. cocaine.. heroin.. meth.. these people for the most part live in a pretty twisted dark hole.. and the legality of such substances does not even play into the choices they make.. I have been touched by this problem in so many ways.. my mother.. drank till she died.. she did not do any illegal drugs (maybe smoked pot every now and then, but not serious drugs)... and she lost her life.. it was her own fault.. she made bad choices.. but at the end of the day.. something totally legal was abused to no end... all the while we spend god only knows how much chasing people selling pot.. I mean seriously.. it doesnt get much more hypocritical than that....

Its been tried. Cocaine used to be legal. Society damn near ground to a halt which is what drove it to illegal status.....

Its been tried. Cocaine used to be legal. Society damn near ground to a halt which is what drove it to illegal status.....

 

 

drugs were legal for years without any real chaos...

 

the solution is simple..

 

cause chaos.. GO TO JAIL.. it doesn't matter if you are high.. drunk.. sober.. how many people a year you think cause chaos while being drunk?

Consider that the very stereotypes you mention "loser" are lost with its legalization. However, I like the "cause chaos go to jail" theory. Unfortunately in todays climate of no responsibility for your own actions, this would not work. It would then become the governments fault for allowing it :(

 

Even if i had a perfect credit score why cant I get a 3% mortgage and 10 or 20k or more taken off the top? Because I am responsible. So with my good score and perfect payment history I cant compete with the guy in the McMansion who re-financed several times and bought all kinds of sh!t and stoped paying..... Today's society rewards lack of responsibility :(

It would then become the governments fault for allowing it

 

if that was the case I would be living off the government based on them allowing my mom to drink herself to death on LEGAL alcohol.. I know that legalizing drugs seems really extreme.. but if we punished the actions and not the substance.. things would make a lot more sense.. I don't genuinely believe they will ever do that.. but I still think that it would solve tons of problems.. and people who decided to partake in all the bad stuff.. even with tons of education about its negative effects.. well those people.. like my mom.. would be a self solving problem.. eventually they would have "one too many" and that would be that..

 

for the record.. I might come across cold with respect to what happened with my mom.. it is not that I am cold to it.. or emotionless.. it is just that I am incredibly logical.. and I take things at face value.. so it is not a lack of love.. but more an understanding that people are going to do what they do.. and you (or the government) are not going to stop them.. no matter what..

Vlad, I think what I am saying to you is I agree in regards to being held accountable for your actions, but I think we are a minority :(. And the fact of the matter is that there is an entire culture doing exactly as you describe :(

Vlad, I think what I am saying to you is I agree in regards to being held accountable for your actions, but I think we are a minority :(. And the fact of the matter is that there is an entire culture doing exactly as you describe :(

 

 

I hear ya.. lol

 

sorry if I sounded as if I was venting (I WAS..lol) but it just seems as if there are far more logical ways to handle some of the problems our country faces.. :icon_cool:

And how many man hours were put into this raid to net 12,000 dollars worth of marijuana? Lets see. Probably 20 people minimum. Average Salary - $75,000

Minimum 3 weeks getting ready. 120 Man hours $36.00 / Per Hour / 20 people = $86,400.00

 

I can assure you the NJSP didn't spend anywhere near your calculations. There were one or two troopers assigned to the case and they worked on this along with their other cases over the three weeks. There were maybe 20 (more likely 10) when they did the warrant...tied up with this for a few hours.

 

You seem to think that locking up two drug dealers is all bs and NJSP has 20 troopers to hang around for three weeks.

 

allowing my mom to drink herself to death on LEGAL alcohol.. I know that legalizing drugs seems really extreme..

 

So your solution is to make more substances legal to kill themselves with? I see a lot of libertarians on gun forums bring up legalization of drugs. I don't think that helps the 2A cause with the fence sitters and gives anti-gunners "ammunition". Somehow "Gun Owners for Legal Drugs" doesn't help the cause.

Hahaha a BB gun :icon_e_biggrin: Man if they kicked down my door those kids would look like cub scouts. I have a sword/Dagger collection plus several BB guns. Not to mention my real guns which would probably get me 10+ years even though there secured heavily. Forgot about all the prescription drugs to. Two surgeries and you will start to stock up on it lol

want to end drug crime? legalize drugs...

 

when government made alcohol illegal.. what happened? it spawned an uncontrollable underworld.. filled with crime.. murder.. money.. power... people turned to the underworld for their daily fix.... government eventually wised up.. realized that a war on alcohol.. can not be won.. the same is true for a war on drugs... people say oh well what if people steal to get drug money.. THEY ALREADY DO.. lock them up for stealing... people say oh what if people drive under the influence.. THEY ALREADY DO.. lock them up... if you remove laws regarding possession.. you remove the inflated value society has created.. making it not worth it to traffic drugs.. instead.. punish the behavior.. public intoxication.. stealing.. driving under the influence.. those are crimes, because they represent a genuine threat to others.. simply the legality of possessing a plant that grows in the ground should not even be open to discussion... and to take it one step further.. just to further illustrate the waste that is the war on drugs.. ask the next person you see if they shoot heroin.. when they tell you NO! ask them why.. I am not sure what the answer will be.. could be something like "I am not a loser" or "that **** will kill you" etc.. but I am just about %100 sure what they will NOT tell you, and that is "I really thought about shooting drugs.. but since they are illegal I don't do it"... people who do drugs.. cocaine.. heroin.. meth.. these people for the most part live in a pretty twisted dark hole.. and the legality of such substances does not even play into the choices they make.. I have been touched by this problem in so many ways.. my mother.. drank till she died.. she did not do any illegal drugs (maybe smoked pot every now and then, but not serious drugs)... and she lost her life.. it was her own fault.. she made bad choices.. but at the end of the day.. something totally legal was abused to no end... all the while we spend god only knows how much chasing people selling pot.. I mean seriously.. it doesnt get much more hypocritical than that....

The problem with legalizing some drugs is their potency. I can agree with your point about the danger of pot being overstated, but do we really want heroin or meth to be legal? You really cannot use heroin without getting addicted and meth will make some users do crazy and potentially dangerous things to other people. As for alcohol, it's potency is much lower than hard drugs, I have a beer or two almost every night without any ill effects (outside of having a beer gut).

 

I am all about personal responsibility as well, but where does legalizing drugs end? Do we allow all prescription drugs to be sold openly?

I don't think its as easy as just "legalizing drugs." While I agree that the fight against illicit narcotics has always been a complete waste on many facets, what has to be examined is how would society be if there was legalization. Would it be better off? Is it simply about money at the level where none of us see anything nor are affected by it? How would it change things like insurance and healthcare costs? And, my ultimate question, would legalizing drugs actually stop the illegal sales and distribution of materials related to drugs? Not that the drugs themselves would be illegal (this is under the hypothetical that all drugs are legalized), but that people would still find ways of obtaining them illegally. Many people do this all the time with prescription medicines, and electronic files (music, movies, etc).

 

So, while one hole is plugged up, what happens is that others are amplified. This should be expected though, and then the next logical thing to do is weigh the risks of one action versus another. I'm not that smart, so, I can't comment on that.

allowing my mom to drink herself to death on LEGAL alcohol.. I know that legalizing drugs seems really extreme..

 

So your solution is to make more substances legal to kill themselves with? I see a lot of libertarians on gun forums bring up legalization of drugs. I don't think that helps the 2A cause with the fence sitters and gives anti-gunners "ammunition". Somehow "Gun Owners for Legal Drugs" doesn't help the cause.

 

yes.. without question.. that is the solution.. you can not legislate morals... and attempting to do so only diverts valuable resources into an empty pit of nothingness.. you will never ever ever win the drug war ever.. it is a pointless empty war... I don't care what my stance gives anti-gun people in the way of arguments... my stance is made in logic not in making friends or winning elections.. want to make beer illegal? hard alcohol? cigarettes? because unless you are big fat hypocrite you can't have it both ways.. heroin kills tons of people.... so does alcohol... make them all legal and the people who abuse substance will die off and become a self solving problem.. as I stated.. people who decide to do "hard drugs" don't give a rats a** about legality... so you are just taking all this money.. time.. effort.. and throwing it in the trash... if you REALLY want to address drug use do this.. take all that wasted money and divide it up into thirds... take one third and completely cut that spending.. net savings to the tax payer.. take another third and invest it in education and treatment of those with "problems".. lock them up under normal laws when they break them.. then while incarcerated treat them... take the last third and invest it in things that make sense like securing the border.. if you think drugs being illegal is doing anything beneficial you just don't understand the problem.. ask your LEO friends how many people get locked up for simple possession and change their lives.. people get locked up.. and slip back into the same friends.. same habits.. same life once out.. how do I know? many LEO friends.. and unfortunately many friends who have fallen victim to hard drugs.. I am not an expert on anything.. but I know about this nonsense because I have personally dealt with it for most of my lifetime..

 

my one friend who made it.. didn't make it when he got arrested for possession.. he didn't make it after serving a felony conviction.. he didn't make it at the methadone clinic.. he made it when he manned up and decided to change his life.. when a man gains control of his life that is when he will get clean and do right.. that is something neither a judge or society can legislate..

 

having someone legally sucking down a beer at the local bar... while someone else is illegally buying pot from a gang banger in the street is the ultimate in hypocrisy..

The problem with legalizing some drugs is their potency. I can agree with your point about the danger of pot being overstated, but do we really want heroin or meth to be legal? You really cannot use heroin without getting addicted and meth will make some users do crazy and potentially dangerous things to other people. As for alcohol, it's potency is much lower than hard drugs, I have a beer or two almost every night without any ill effects (outside of having a beer gut).

 

I am all about personal responsibility as well, but where does legalizing drugs end? Do we allow all prescription drugs to be sold openly?

 

 

pharmaceuticals are probably the biggest joke in our nation.. they are already virtually over the counter... you can get high all day providing your wallet is fat enough and you know the right doctor.. again.. just added hypocrisy.. you can not legally do heroin.. but you can walk into a methadone clinic and pay to be high legally the entire day... and again.. why don't you do heroin? because its illegal? or because you are not a scumbag? I think that we as a society get hung up on that.. we think that people don't do drugs because they are illegal... it is a failed system just like alcohol prohibition was a failed system.. I am sitting here drinking baileys.. no problems.. it is delicious.. you say the potency is different.. that is irrelevant when the liquor store will flow you an endless supply of it.. it is my personal responsibility to control the potency..

I am not condoning the opening of a "heroin store" that would be up to individual towns in the same way that many towns prohibit drug paraphernalia, porn, etc.. all I am stating is to not waste all this money arresting people for possession.. drug addicts are self solving problems.. they will get clean.. they will over dose.. or they will commit a bad enough crime to be locked up... all of these things will happen with or without possession charges..

want to end drug crime? legalize drugs...

 

when government made alcohol illegal.. what happened? it spawned an uncontrollable underworld.. filled with crime.. murder.. money.. power... people turned to the underworld for their daily fix.... government eventually wised up.. realized that a war on alcohol.. can not be won.. the same is true for a war on drugs... people say oh well what if people steal to get drug money.. THEY ALREADY DO.. lock them up for stealing... people say oh what if people drive under the influence.. THEY ALREADY DO.. lock them up... if you remove laws regarding possession.. you remove the inflated value society has created.. making it not worth it to traffic drugs.. instead.. punish the behavior.. public intoxication.. stealing.. driving under the influence.. those are crimes, because they represent a genuine threat to others.. simply the legality of possessing a plant that grows in the ground should not even be open to discussion... and to take it one step further.. just to further illustrate the waste that is the war on drugs.. ask the next person you see if they shoot heroin.. when they tell you NO! ask them why.. I am not sure what the answer will be.. could be something like "I am not a loser" or "that **** will kill you" etc.. but I am just about %100 sure what they will NOT tell you, and that is "I really thought about shooting drugs.. but since they are illegal I don't do it"... people who do drugs.. cocaine.. heroin.. meth.. these people for the most part live in a pretty twisted dark hole.. and the legality of such substances does not even play into the choices they make.. I have been touched by this problem in so many ways.. my mother.. drank till she died.. she did not do any illegal drugs (maybe smoked pot every now and then, but not serious drugs)... and she lost her life.. it was her own fault.. she made bad choices.. but at the end of the day.. something totally legal was abused to no end... all the while we spend god only knows how much chasing people selling pot.. I mean seriously.. it doesnt get much more hypocritical than that....

I understand that there is absolutely no way to get rid of drug crime. And comparing it to alcohol....although is a good comparison, is not the best. Drugs have a MUCH higher dependency/addiction rate, and have a MUCH higher rate of other crime involved in the act. With law enforcement, you have to pick your battles. Whatever seems to be harming society the most is what you focus on. You can't eliminate drug crime? You can't eliminate ANY kind of crime. I understand your theory, and agree with it on some levels.....but it is flawed. Given your theory that we can't eliminate crime....so we should just legalize it, we would have no laws and no law enforcement. You want the wild west? I'm game, I will try anything once, I will partake in cleaning up the streets the old way.....but it will be pretty hard to go back if we change our minds.

 

ANYTHING that is legal and "harmless" can be mistreated and cause serious harm to people.....look at driving, it is one of the most overlooked hazards that we we live with on a day to day basis.....yet I constantly see people who either just blatantly break the law and drive recklessly, or are so TERRIBLY uncoordinated that they shouldn't be given a shopping cart let alone a license to drive.

I understand that there is absolutely no way to get rid of drug crime.

 

sure there is.. make them legal.. and then the crimes that result from "drugs" will be punished acordingly..

 

And comparing it to alcohol....although is a good comparison, is not the best. Drugs have a MUCH higher dependency/addiction rate,

 

prove that..

 

when you are a hardcore alcoholic you can literally not get through the day without drinking... AND on top of that.. heavy alcoholics can actually die when they try to stop... alcohol dependency is very much so on par with drug dependency..

 

and have a MUCH higher rate of other crime involved in the act. W

 

read up on alcohol prohibition and the enormous level of crime that resulted from it in the fraction of the time alcohol was illegal..

 

With law enforcement, you have to pick your battles. Whatever seems to be harming society the most is what you focus on. You can't eliminate drug crime? You can't eliminate ANY kind of crime. I understand your theory, and agree with it on some levels.....but it is flawed. Given your theory that we can't eliminate crime....so we should just legalize it, we would have no laws and no law enforcement. You want the wild west? I'm game, I will try anything once, I will partake in cleaning up the streets the old way.....but it will be pretty hard to go back if we change our minds.

 

no.. you are missing the point.. completely...

 

heroin possession.. who cares.. does some junky high on heroin effect you in ANY way? NO.. so laws should not apply..

someone high on heroin driving a car.. does that effect you? YES.. driving under the influence is illegal..

someone stealing to get money to buy heroin.. does it effect you.. YES.. arrest them for theft..

 

it is not about giving people a free ride.. it is about getting out of enforcing morality.. which you simply can not.. we should focus on making laws that protect people from each other.. as opposed to protecting to themselves.. because you simply can not force people to not do drugs.. if people want to do them.. they will do them.. period.. if you focus on arresting people for DOING bad things to one another.. as opposed to what they are doing to themselves.. you net a safer neighborhood..

 

imo of course..

 

ANYTHING that is legal and "harmless" can be mistreated and cause serious harm to people.....look at driving, it is one of the most overlooked hazards that we we live with on a day to day basis.....yet I constantly see people who either just blatantly break the law and drive recklessly, or are so TERRIBLY uncoordinated that they shouldn't be given a shopping cart let alone a license to drive.

 

alcohol is not harmless.. cigarettes are not harmless... alcohol and cigarettes are not necessary for modern life like driving is.. want to leave drugs illegal.. at least outlaw everything else as well so our society is not filled with arbitrary laws that are made on the whim of the people in charge.. its like this.. alcohol is bad.. so is cocaine.. but we like alcohol so we will leave that legal.. there is NO LOGIC in that..

Because I am responsible. So with my good score and perfect payment history I cant compete with the guy in the McMansion who re-financed several times and bought all kinds of sh!t and stoped paying..... Today's society rewards lack of responsibility :(

 

Welcome to my reality Shane. Work hard, bust your butt, act responsibly, and support others so that they can act irresponsibly. "Society" has turned right and wrong on its head.

How many thousands of innocent people are harmed in one way or another by addicts each year? Robbed, beaten even killed by some scum bag junky trying to get money for another fix. How many LEOs are killed or injured by druggies & drug dealers each year? Making drugs legal will not change this as a junkie will still have to kill, cheat, steal and lie to get his/her drugs. These people are not going to go out and get a job to pay for their drugs!

You are all missing the point here guys. This dude had a BB GUN. And it was FULLY LOADED. I know because the nice news man told me, and did so in a way that stated I should be worried about it! :icon_eek:

How many thousands of innocent people are harmed in one way or another by addicts each year? Robbed, beaten even killed by some scum bag junky trying to get money for another fix.

 

all those things listed are already crimes and have NO bearing on drugs being legal or not legal.. you said it yourself... drugs are illegal and people still get hurt constantly... how many people are killed in alcohol related deaths each year? want to outlaw that as well? how many people die from heart disease from eating poorly... maybe a government mandated diet is in order? when someone commits the crimes you listed LOCK THEM UP.. but why concern yourself with the reason these scumbags do what they do.. as you pointed out.. the drug being illegal is NOT stopping them.. the system is NOT working... time for a change..

 

How many LEOs are killed or injured by druggies & drug dealers each year? Making drugs legal will not change this

 

sure it will alcohol prohibition PROVES that it will...

 

make alcohol illegal...

tons of underworld gangs selling booze...

tons of underground clubs..

violence between gangs...

violence against police...

 

prohibition ends... now alcohol is legal..

people still drop like flies from USING alcohol..

but when was the last time you heard about gangs shooting each other over alcohol distribution in a neighborhood... it doesn't happen.. why? because the drug being legal allows for more government control.. it removes the incentive for underground market..

 

Heroin - extremely addictive.. mind altering... capable of causing sickness and death when abused...

Alcohol - extremely addictive... mind altering.. capable of causing sickness and death when abused...

 

alcohol is a drug... sometimes we pretend that it's not that bad.. people sometimes act as if people on drugs are all zombies.. there are tons of working people who unfortunately have serious drug habits.. and they are just sustaining the habit.. I have known people with serious drug or alcohol dependencies who worked.. earned a living.. and were constantly intoxicated.. there is quite literally no difference between a functioning drug addict OR alcoholic.. the only difference is that our society has conditioned us to think of alcohol differently..

You are all missing the point here guys. This dude had a BB GUN. And it was FULLY LOADED. I know because the nice news man told me, and did so in a way that stated I should be worried about it! :icon_eek:

 

I'd be worried about it if their were a zombie attack and thats all my neighbor could muster up ;)

prove that..

 

when you are a hardcore alcoholic you can literally not get through the day without drinking... AND on top of that.. heavy alcoholics can actually die when they try to stop... alcohol dependency is very much so on par with drug dependency..

I understand alcoholism just as well as you do. My father was an alcoholic, luckily he lived through it and has been sober for 18 years. I understand the disease very well. My point was not how each effects the system, my point is the likelihood that someone will become addicted. An addiction is an addiction, but alcoholism normally sticks to certain people with certain traits. Different people are more likely to become an alcoholic than others. Your mother was an alcoholic, so you have a higher chance of having the disease than someone who had parents that were not alcoholics. Heroin....try it once and you will likely become addicted regardless of whether you are predisposed to any kind of addiction through your genes. I am sure you know all this already, I am just stating the facts.

 

As far as there being a lack of incentive if drugs were legalized....that doesn't have much merit. Why would Jayquan establish a business, buy permits, and pay taxes for a business when he could just sell on the corner and get straight profit? There is NO incentive for people to sell through a legitimate business when they have been doing it when the product was illegal for years. I agree that legalizing Marijuana wouldn't be a bad idea.....although that is only because this state could use some more tax money. Hard drugs? No. There are some scary drugs out there that most people don't know about....we need this stuff off the streets. If arresting someone and putting them in prison for several years keeps that amount of hard drugs off the streets....so be it.

On the surface the passionate arguements seem to make sense.

 

But I am not sure I can get behind a "second amendment rights for all and legal heroin for addicts! Heroin that is legalized because people should be at liberty to get addicted to the stuff, and if they die from it so much for the better for society" point of view. The holes in the logic are quite deep.

 

That is not a flag I am going to be waving anytime soon. I am kinda feeling weird posting in the same thread, quite honestly.

I understand alcoholism just as well as you do. My father was an alcoholic, luckily he lived through it and has been sober for 18 years. I understand the disease very well. My point was not how each effects the system, my point is the likelihood that someone will become addicted. An addiction is an addiction, but alcoholism normally sticks to certain people with certain traits. Different people are more likely to become an alcoholic than others. Your mother was an alcoholic, so you have a higher chance of having the disease than someone who had parents that were not alcoholics. Heroin....try it once and you will likely become addicted regardless of whether you are predisposed to any kind of addiction through your genes. I am sure you know all this already, I am just stating the facts.

 

So... nanny state it is... lets control food.. diet.. drugs.. etc.. for EVERY individual.. to say that people who try heroin once are likely to get addicted is a statement that is made with zero facts behind it.. and we are JUST using heroin as an example.. people.. who get addicted to things get addicted to them because they are weak and trying to fill a void.. it quite literally has nothing to do with actual drugs.. addictions to drugs literally has nothing to do with drugs.. my one friend who got off drugs literally transferred his addiction to eating.. instead of dealing with the addiction he has simply transferred it to something else.. so now.. instead of dying from heroin.. he will slowly clog his arteries till his heart stops... point being you can NOT legislate good habits..

 

As far as there being a lack of incentive if drugs were legalized....that doesn't have much merit. Why would Jayquan establish a business, buy permits, and pay taxes for a business when he could just sell on the corner and get straight profit? There is NO incentive for people to sell through a legitimate business when they have been doing it when the product was illegal for years. I agree that legalizing Marijuana wouldn't be a bad idea.....although that is only because this state could use some more tax money. Hard drugs? No. There are some scary drugs out there that most people don't know about....we need this stuff off the streets. If arresting someone and putting them in prison for several years keeps that amount of hard drugs off the streets....so be it.

 

every time you arrest someone.. for selling drugs.. there are two more to take their place.. the reason is really simple.. many people who get involved in street level dealing are jobless.. poor.. and in some cases inner city.. there is poverty... the sale of crack is seen as an instant fix for the financial problems.. so it is a never ending cycle.. the point is less about establishing a "crack store" and more about not wasting the time and money locking these people up.. the root of the problem.. has nothing to do with selling drugs.. there are underlying problems that keep the cycle going...

 

prohibition literally proves that when you make a product that people want illegal.. it does nothing but drive sales through black market dealing..

Legalizing drugs? Don't think it's gonna happen. They can't even legalize prostitution, yet porn is legal!

Also, there's so many other legal drugs that is abused, legalizing the controlled ones (Schedule I - no medicinal use or value) might not do much.

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