Firstly >> where do you practice such drills? ( shooting on the move, different distances, jams, mag drop etc ) at cherry ridge range officer tells me to "slow down" every time I try to rapid fire or double tap, FORGET about any moving around or gun "play" .....

2nd unfortunately I have to agree to the part where a type of weapon and a caliber can play a big role during HD court case. If it is something exotic they mite make it look that you detonated a nuke to defend your family thus endangering the public and bringing torturous death to the thug. In our "humane" society thugs have more rights than us. But then again it's all depends on the citation... it's krazy what this state makes us think about ., sad

Anyway although I have a 12g for HD now I Wud like to switch to .50 Beowulf

 

again.. I would like to see a court case where the caliber or type of weapon used mattered... I just don't believe that would occur..

 

were you justified to use force under NJ law? YES

was the gun you used NJ legal? YES

 

what's the problem here?

 

I shoot on private land pretty often.. and as long as I keep stuff in line with the berm there is really no issues with moving.. shooting.. scenarios.. etc..

can we stay on topic please

 

 

sorry about that.. I thought it was a pretty good discussion.. if it really bothers you maybe a mod can split out the sub topic..

 

again.. sorry about that..

can we stay on topic please

 

Sorry just voicing some thoughts ....

 

You talking pistols only or any HD firearm?

It's no big deal guys, just wanted to keep this on topic.

I was thinking pistols only as our choices of ammo and break-in periods would be totally different.

edited to remove auto smilies

 

That would be interesting to review.

 

Here's my logic regardless of the statistics. In self defense, typically you are OK to use the appropriate amount of force to defend yourself under the circumstances. Lets say in an home invasion situation, and lethal force is appropriate (protect you and the familiy). Now you use your .454 casull and blast a chunk out of the bad guy.

 

Were you legit in using deadly force? Sure. Can the prosecutor still file charges against you for using excessive force? Sure can. Is it easier to defend yourself (or hopefully curtail the prosecutor from charging you) if a: you use a 9mm pistol similar of the type use by many LE agencies (they wont demonize the tools they use), or B: a .454 Casull, one of the most powerful handgun cartridges around, not in use by any LE agency that I know of.

I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong (no pun intended). Excessive force is not judged by the caliber bullet your firearm shoots, it is judged by the threat posed on your life. You can legally respond with as much force to combat the threat being posed upon you. Want an extreme example? *I am 6', 200 pounds. I am sleeping, and wake up to hear someone in my living room. I grab my HD gun which happens to shoot 7.62x39. I go into the living room and turn on the light to find a 4', 80lb woman who is trying to steal something. She picks up a letter opener that is 3 inches long and brandishes it in a way that I feel poses a threat to my well-being.* That is the hypothetical situation I will use. Now, a letter opener can cause harm to my body, and even kill me. I can legally shoot her with as many rounds of 7.62x39 as it takes in order to "stop the threat". If I continue to shoot after she no longer poses a threat, that is no longer a justifiable defense. But if I shoot her 8 times with 7.62x39, and she is somehow still standing with that letter opener in her hand.....there is nothing excessive about the 9th shot.

 

As for the topic at hand.....I think it depends on a couple things. What is the users experience with firearms overall? What kind of weapon is it?

 

I think that a semi-automatic pistol needs more rounds down the tube than a revolver.....and a revolver needs more rounds than a pump shotgun.

As for the topic at hand.....I think it depends on a couple things. What is the users experience with firearms overall? What kind of weapon is it?

 

I think that a semi-automatic pistol needs more rounds down the tube than a revolver.....and a revolver needs more rounds than a pump shotgun.

 

I'm talking about YOUR home defense pistol and what you did to get it ready for its purpose.

My answer to this question is real simple; The best preparation is knowing my firearm. Knowing what to expect when it fires, like recoil, and what HD ammo it likes best. I know where, and what every lever and button's function is without question. I have gained complete faith in it's reliability. Shooting it a lot, shooting it well and field strip/clean every couple hundred rounds to gain an intimate knowledge of it's insides as well as exterior. It needs to be an extension of my body when I put it in my hands. I also must know what kind of damage it's capable of inflicting. Anything less won't cut it.

I'm talking about YOUR home defense pistol and what you did to get it ready for its purpose.

 

Beretta Px4 Storm. Nothing done to it except put on the Hogue handall grip, and shoot it a lot with all different types of ammo. But when I'm @ Home, I have a 15 round mag and a 10 round mag loaded with Hornady CD, a 15 Round & 10 round mag loaded with Remington Golden Saber HP, and 1 10 round mag with FMJ (usually S&B or Federal Champion).

I shoot lots of rounds thru my mossberg 500. I also shoot while on the move. Approx 5 different targets. Everything from paper to cans of soda on a post. I also shoot on private property so its not an issue. Thats how I break in my HD shot gun.

Me nothing special. Sig p250 compact in .40S&W 13rd FMJ 165gr. One mag in, pistol in the nightstand. One mag on the other side of the bedroom and one mag in the office. I shoot it every time I'm at the range, I say about 200 rounds at least .

I'm talking about YOUR home defense pistol and what you did to get it ready for its purpose.

Right now I am using my PAP because it is honestly the best gun I have for HD. It is by no means a good gun, but it is certainly better than my Mosin, SXS shotgun, or .22. What someone should do when it is the first HD gun they will ever have is just get familiarized with the weapon by shooting it. That should be the BARE MINIMUM.

Right now I am using my PAP because it is honestly the best gun I have for HD. It is by no means a good gun, but it is certainly better than my Mosin, SXS shotgun, or .22. What someone should do when it is the first HD gun they will ever have is just get familiarized with the weapon by shooting it. That should be the BARE MINIMUM.

 

 

LOL at using the mosin as a HD gun...

500 rounds of home defense ammo is pricey, but I can understand it. I figure you'll find out if a semi-auto dislikes the ammo you've choosin pretty quickly, like in the first few magazines.

 

Yeah it is, but when I got 1k rounds at $18 a box, it was a good deal

 

I just want to make sure it will function, feed, and shoot reliably if it ever needed to be used.

I don't know if any gets the tons of email from frontsight as I do, sometimes they are interesting such as the one posted below, Great interview with a HD victim.

I wonder how one would be treated in NJ Shotgun in Your Face and .380 in Your Pocket

if you ever had to shoot someone.. IMO of course.. you are either justified or not.. the round.. gun.. accessories are really not going to matter.. while the media.. government.. etc.. may try to portray you as this or that.. it is my understanding that the law does not address approved equipment for home defense.. meaning that pump shotgun.. black power gun.. or an AR with ever accessory known to man.. will be viewed equally..

 

Ok...understand that you will more than Likely NEVER GET IT BACK..it will sit in the Prosecutor's Office until the End of TIME...Something to consider when choosing your Home Defense gun..I'm NOT saying buy a Lorcin, Raven, or Hi-Point, but going crazy buying the latest, greatest whoopety-doo gun on the market, MIGHT not be such a wonderful Idea. MY HD gun is a Used Glock 23..that i got froma Co-worker at a good price, becauase i KNOW if I ever need to use it, I am A: Qualified with it, using the same Ammunition that my Dept uses and B: Can part with it to the bowels of the County Evidence locker with no loss of sleep.

If I needed to use a firearm to defend my family and it goes to the DA's office for a long time I could care less. It did it's job and I'll buy another to replace it. It wouldn't be one of my top priorities after a justified shooting. My family is safe, I'm safe and the house is safe. That's all that matters.

Ok...understand that you will more than Likely NEVER GET IT BACK..it will sit in the Prosecutor's Office until the End of TIME...Something to consider when choosing your Home Defense gun..I'm NOT saying buy a Lorcin, Raven, or Hi-Point, but going crazy buying the latest, greatest whoopety-doo gun on the market, MIGHT not be such a wonderful Idea. MY HD gun is a Used Glock 23..that i got froma Co-worker at a good price, becauase i KNOW if I ever need to use it, I am A: Qualified with it, using the same Ammunition that my Dept uses and B: Can part with it to the bowels of the County Evidence locker with no loss of sleep.

 

 

just to be clear.. as I have stated a couple times.. live with my g/f.. no children.. for the most part.. my Glock 23 is within arms reach.. so should the extremely unlikely event of use occur.. that is likely what it is going to be.... but my point more was (just to use an extreme example) if I were sitting loading up some 308 mags for a range trip in the morning.. and had my DPMS 308 in front of my and some drug crazed gun toting loon broke in my front door.. it is very likely I would shoot him with that gun.. not because I want to shoot people.. I don't.. not because I think that an AR10 is a good HD gun.. it is not.. not because I want to play Rambo.. the last thing I want to do is to shoot anyone.. but the reason I would do that... is because retreating to another room to grab the "ideal" gun is stupid.. all that does is give you more time to be dead..given the life or death situation which is IMO the ONLY situation that justifies shooting someone.. I would use whatever is the closest.. in most cases.. that is a Glock 23.. but if its not.. so be it.. my life and the life of my family is worth more than ANY gun I own.. that was more the point.. sure it's nice to use the ideal gun.. but I would not give it as much consideration as has been discussed..

If I needed to use a firearm to defend my family and it goes to the DA's office for a long time I could care less. It did it's job and I'll buy another to replace it. It wouldn't be one of my top priorities after a justified shooting. My family is safe, I'm safe and the house is safe. That's all that matters.

 

+100

All kidding aside, Taurus is supposedly coming out with a Magnum Judge that shoots 454 Casull in addition to 410/45LC. That could be an interesting combo. I wish they would have made the new carbine in that magnum configuration as it could have been a fun and versatile rifle for hunting and plinking and all sorts of other things.

 

That's been out for a while now. It's called the "Raging Judge", and has a 6-shot cylinder with either a 6" or 3" (ouch) barrel.

 

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=701&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=

 

They have a seven shot as well but it's not chambered in 454 Casual. Taurus is putting out stuff that looks awesome!

If I needed to use a firearm to defend my family and it goes to the DA's office for a long time I could care less. It did it's job and I'll buy another to replace it. It wouldn't be one of my top priorities after a justified shooting. My family is safe, I'm safe and the house is safe. That's all that matters.

I could not agree more. My gun can be replaced, any harm that an intruder does to myself or whoever I may be living with at the time cannot. I am going to use whichever gun I feel the most comfortable with....if that happens to cost a butt-load of ammo, then so be it.