You guys are killing me.

 

I am just looking at glocks and you guys are throwing this at me.....you all suck!!!

 

The grip on the M&P is way better but the trigger feeling that you get from the hinge is weird.

 

Go with what you think will shoot best in your hands. IMO, S&W and Glock are equal in function and capability.

 

My only gripe with S&W is that their full-size .45ACP only holds 10 rounds... not 13 like the Glock equivalent.

If you really want, you can get mag extendeds for the m&p. Although I think it increases the capacity to above legal in NJ.

 

As the gun spends more time at competitions, it will start getting better supermarket, and overall factory enhancements.

 

One of the guns on my list is the m&p 9mm pro. Along with its baby 22 brother.

BTW, if you want some non scientific observations, more people do price requests for m&p than glock at this point.m

Maks that is very interesting?

That's one of the guns I want to shoot before I buy. Anyone here have any experience with them?

 

 

I've got an MP40F w/ Apex sear and polished internals. I normally shoot at Bullet Hole and will probably be there, either this weekend or the next.

 

Some objective thoughts on the M&P...

 

I bought mine used from the Bullet Hole. It had been orignally sold to an LEO. It has the magazine safety and no thumb safety. When purchased, it had a terrible trigger. Decided to polish the internals as outlined on Dan Burwell's site for home trigger jobs for the M&P. Also added the Apex sear. Trigger is now transformed from one of the worst triggers I've ever experienced, into a really nice trigger. Possibly the best trigger I've felt in a polymer pistol. Keep in mind, I have a variety of Glocks, had XD's and have a USP. I did a lot of dry firing and broke the striker (striker was an earlier model and was black). Had to buy a new striker from S&W. This is supposed to be, I believe, the Gen5 and has a stainless look to it. It is supposed to be good to dry fire with now. Apex now sells a complete trigger kit (DCAEK kit) for the M&P. Be aware, in order to get to the firing pin safety, which is part of the kit (or if stock, benefits greatly from polishing), you must remove the rear sight. The rear sights are in the dovetail very tightly. I ordered an M&P sight pusher (which BTW, works perfectly for Glock 9mm/.40/357Sig/45Gap slides, haven't tried it on a Glock .45ACP/10mm slide), to remove the rear sight. Past that, the pistol is more or less as easy to work on as a Glock. Also, zero issues regarding reliability in roughly 650 rounds.

 

Some subjective thoughts on the M&P...

 

While the pistol does come w/ 3 different backstraps, none of them fit me all that well. It is highly advised to have done, or do yourself, a stippling job to the grip as it's too smooth. I find I have to reset my grip every few rounds or so. I'm currently shooting it w/ the Medium backstrap. I'm very close to ordering an extra set of backstraps to play w/ for stippling and reshaping. For me, I'm seriously considering taking some material out from under the trigger guard as it rubs my middle finger raw. Overall, while the ergo's are good, they are not perfect. Past that, the gun shoots well. It is accurate and 2nd shot recovery is very good.

 

I must confess that I purchased a Gen4 G23 in Dec. I've done the $.25 trigger job and replaced the trigger bar w/ part SP00357. This is the trigger bar that has the smooth trigger face ala G17. Other differences include having the reshaped tang where the trigger spring goes, as did the stock trigger bar, but does not have the dimple in the tab that pushes the firing pin plunger, ala newer G21's/G30's. That dimple causes drag and makes the pull heavier. I've also installed the Glock 4.5lb connector (formerly known as the Glock 3.5lb connector). The trigger is now considerably better than as it came stock. Keep in mind the Gen4's and newer Gen3's come w/ different trigger internals as compared to 2009 and prior. The Gen4 as stock, has a considerably heavier trigger pull than the Gen3 G19 that I purchased in April 2009.

 

All this to say....

 

I know this subjective, but the Gen4 Glock has the M&P beat for me. I shoot them both equally for accuracy, but the texture and smaller grip frame of the Gen4 really work me. This may be blasphemy, but I find the recoil to be slightly less in the Gen4 G23 as well. If you're talking Gen3 and prior, the M&P has better recoil characteristics, but the Gen4's dual recoil spring works and works very well.

 

Having said all that, I'm very very tempted to buy an M&P9c or M&P45.

If you really want, you can get mag extendeds for the m&p. Although I think it increases the capacity to above legal in NJ.

 

As the gun spends more time at competitions, it will start getting better supermarket, and overall factory enhancements.

 

One of the guns on my list is the m&p 9mm pro. Along with its baby 22 brother.

 

The M&P45 extended mag holds 14 rnds.... NJ legal.

 

BTW C&R Tactical, as found on AR15.com and M4carbine.net, carries M&P9mm 15 rnd mags for $27/each.

Both the Glock and M&P are as reliable and accurate as a service pistol can be. If you are choosing between them, ergonomics and fit are really the only difference. In my opinion a stock Glock trigger is still better than an M&P with the Apex kit. In my case the grip and pointability of the Smith outweighed the superior trigger of the Glock.

I recently purchased a G19 Gen4 and love shooting it.I'm using the standard grip and find that it is comfortable. I'll probably try the larger grip to see the difference and how my long fingers fit. I like the trigger and have no use for an external safety so this is working out for me. I've shot 200 - 300 rounds of varying types through it so far. I am starting to think about the caliber and manufacturer for my next semi and will be looking at the G21 and M&P 45ACP for comparison. The Glock plant in GA told me on the phone that the G21 Gen4 is currently estimated to be available for shipping in April 2011 so I've got some time to try out the Gen3 version and compare to the M&P at Shore Shot. I was leaning toward the M&P until I found out about the G21 Gen4 plans. I really like the G19 Gen4 when compared to the Gen3 I had tried out. A 3 month extension on my remaining permit should work out just fine.

BTW C&R Tactical, as found on AR15.com and M4carbine.net, carries M&P9mm 15 rnd mags for $27/each.

 

Just a slight correction, that's G&R Tactical. Here's the link: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=39498

You guys are really killing me. Here I am trying to save for a Wilson and now I want an M&P 45 too!

We are nothing if not enablers.