After a short four month wait, I finally got my FID card and handgun permits. Today I bought my first gun. They gave me the pink copy from the permit to keep, but I'm wondering if I should keep it at home or in the case with the gun. Are you required to carry it with you when you transport the gun, or should I just stick it in my fire box for safe keeping?

 

What about my FID card? It's not laminated or anything, so I'm a bit nervous about just sticking it in my wallet where it will get chewed up eventually. Is it OK to keep it in my range bag, or is that a bad idea in case the bag ever gets stolen? Are you allowed to laminate them so they don't get messed up?

You are not required to keep a copy of the handgun permit with you, altho many people keep a copy in their range bag (mostly for peace of mind).

 

Yes, you may laminate the FID card (staples, kinkos, ups store, etc. can all do it for a couple bux). Keep the card anywhere you're comfortable with - wallet, range bag, whatever. Again, you're not required to have it on you and only really need it to purchase a firearm or handgun ammo. I keep mine in my wallet cuz I never know when I'll end up in a gun store and decide I want to buy something on a whim.

Welcome to the Forum and congrats.Yea 4 months sux and its too common. As far as the permits what I do is keep the originals at home and carry copies in an envelope buried in my bag. And the card, definately laminate it and I keep mine in my wallet. Mine would never be anywhere else except maybe my night table, just too valuable to misplace and a pita to replace.

You are not required to have the pink copy with you all the time. However, in the interest of thoroughness I keep a photo copy of the permit in my case. Just in case you get harassed you have proof its yours. Keep original in safe place just in case.

 

Other people laminate it. I myself just put in a plastic ID holder and just trim it. Laminate is permanent. At least with a plastic ID holder I can replace it anytime it gets old, faded, badly rubbed.

Thanks for the answers. I got my card laminated at staples for less than $2 so I should be good to go now.

You should keep your FID in your wallet at all times, you never know when you might need to buy more guns.

You should keep your FID in your wallet at all times, you never know when you might need to buy more guns.

 

Before you have your FID laminated at Staples, make some 2 sided color copies of it and also have them laminated.

Keep one of the copies in your wallet, so if you lose your wallet, you're not S-O-L.

Keep the other copy in your range bag and put the original in a safe place, for future use when buying long arms from an FFL.

The copies are merely evidence that you have applied for and received a FID.

Whatever you do, don't put any of those originals in your gun safe.

 

If you get called out by a bunch of cops or a judge and have to open your safe to show them your papers they will take all of your guns and equipment.

 

Yes, I know cops and judges can get in your safe. But, if you invite them into your safe, they will for certain take all your **** while they are in there.

The copies are merely evidence that you have applied for and received a FID.

 

The copy doesn't prove anything only the original FID card. No where in the statutes does a copy of a FID get you anything. Police can check if you have a FID with name, dob, ssn, and the SBI number helps if you have a very common name.

 

If you are transporting long guns in a situation where you need a FID you need the FID not a copy.

 

Whatever you do, don't put any of those originals in your gun safe.

 

If you get called out by a bunch of cops or a judge and have to open your safe to show them your papers they will take all of your guns and equipment.

 

Yes, I know cops and judges can get in your safe. But, if you invite them into your safe, they will for certain take all your **** while they are in there.

 

I agree you should not keep them in your safe but for different reasons. The paperwork (P2P,long gun COE and/or receipt) would prove ownership if the guns are stolen.

 

I really don't understand what you mean by "called out by a bunch of cops or a judge". Why would you invite them to your safe? If they ask to see something for some reason you tell them wait at the door and get what they want to see. If they have a warrant covering anything that could be in your safe you will have to open it or they will get it opened somehow.

 

If you have paperwork showing you acquired everything legally and the guns were not listed in a search warrant they cannot seize them and more importantly why would they?

Saw your post in /r/guns. . Welcome to the forums, looks like you're doing everything right. To echo the replies above: keep the laminated FID in your wallet and copies of permits in your range bag.

 

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Whatever you do, don't put any of those originals in your gun safe.

 

If you get called out by a bunch of cops or a judge and have to open your safe to show them your papers they will take all of your guns and equipment.

 

Yes, I know cops and judges can get in your safe. But, if you invite them into your safe, they will for certain take all your **** while they are in there.

 

I agree you should not keep them in your safe but for different reasons. The paperwork (P2P,long gun COE and/or receipt) would prove ownership if the guns are stolen.

 

I really don't understand what you mean by "called out by a bunch of cops or a judge". Why would you invite them to your safe? If they ask to see something for some reason you tell them wait at the door and get what they want to see. If they have a warrant covering anything that could be in your safe you will have to open it or they will get it opened somehow.

 

Did I not say they CAN get in your safe?

 

I said it's a bad idea to let them in there. Cops have a bad habit of confiscating your stuff "just in case" and then saying you gave them permission. Forcing cops to get warrants or forcing them to leave evidence of breaking into you shit is a time-honored American tradition and very well advised. If you let them see something they will just take it and then it's your word against theirs. You consented, silly. Or, some other bullshit. They are cops, you have guns, law has no meaning.

 

There certainly ARE circumstances under which you might need to show your pistol permit to avoid having your house turned upside-down and being taken off to The Station while they get a warrant to search your house and break into your safe.

 

Option 1 - give them what they want from your file cabinet.

 

Option 2 - retrieve it from your gun safe. Where you have a whole lot of stuff that looks like banned AR-15s or banned AK-47s or a lot of handguns that are going to have to be sorted out and my shift change is in 30 minutes. You are in jail for the night and don't expect to see ANY of your shit in the next few months. Provided you don't need to hire a lawyer to get your stuff back.

 

You seem a little naive. Don't offer cops access to your gear. I can carry a gun in my car. I can carry a dozen guns in my car. I don't keep my registration and insurance in my glovebox with a loaded MAC-10. I keep it in the center console where I don't keep weapons and don't have to contort myself to get it and show my weapons by accident. Thus, I drive away with my weapons.

 

If you have paperwork showing you acquired everything legally and the guns were not listed in a search warrant they cannot seize them and more importantly why would they?

 

If you let them in your safe they can seize them WITHOUT a search warrant. Under what authority? The fact that they do it all the time and they write the report. No other authority required.

You seem a little naive. Don't offer cops access to your gear.

 

Far from naive. I was a Federal and Local LEO for over 31 years. I speculate I have a little bit more experience conducting searches, developing probable cause for arrests or warrants, and applying for and serving search warrants than you do.

 

Cops have a bad habit of confiscating your stuff "just in case" and then saying you gave them permission.

 

I've worked in maybe 20 states during my time and many times along with local LEOs some I have a little knowledge of how things are done on the local level. What you describe constitutes filing a false report at the least or perjury when done in conjunction with a court. I haven't met many LEOs willing to risk their job or freedom by lying. Those that have have at least lost their jobs or at the other end did a stretch in prison.

 

They are cops, you have guns, law has no meaning.

 

The law has plenty of meaning perhaps this is just your view of it which you are entitled to have.

 

Don't offer cops access to your gear.

 

Please show me where I said that? I said:

 

Why would you invite them to your safe? If they ask to see something for some reason you tell them wait at the door and get what they want to see. If they have a warrant covering anything that could be in your safe you will have to open it or they will get it opened somehow

 

 

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If you have paperwork showing you acquired everything legally and the guns were not listed in a search warrant they cannot seize them and more importantly why would they?

 

 

 

If you let them in your safe they can seize them WITHOUT a search warrant. Under what authority? The fact that they do it all the time and they write the report. No other authority required.

 

Okay you still haven't explained why they would seize all your guns from your home without a warrant if you have paperwork showing you legally acquired them. The only reason I see that being done is a DV issue or there is another crime involved. LEOs don't further their careers by making illegal seizures or arrests that won't stand up in court. There are jerks that become LEOs as there are jerks in all walks of life. The difference is most jerks who become LEOs are not LEOs long. There are other professions that weed out the bad but you can be a jerk in many professions forever.

 

If "they do it all the time" could you provide a few examples that have happened in the past week or so where the police seized all of someone's guns for no reason? This is most likely happening at least hundreds of times a week if what you say is true.

Whatever you do, don't put any of those originals in your gun safe.

 

If you get called out by a bunch of cops or a judge and have to open your safe to show them your papers they will take all of your guns and equipment.

 

Yes, I know cops and judges can get in your safe. But, if you invite them into your safe, they will for certain take all your **** while they are in there.

If you have to open your gun safe for the police or a judge, you probably have bigger problems than a paperwork violation.

If you have to open your gun safe for the police or a judge, you probably have bigger problems than a paperwork violation.

 

I had to let a cop into my trunk once to get paperwork. Where all my guns were. Did I have “bigger problems?”

 

I had to voluntarily waive all of my rights against unreasonable searches and seizures because my paperwork was with my guns.

 

Not sure how I can explain this in ways other than I have already.

 

Let's try this.

 

Scenario 1: You conceal carry in PA or Delaware. Cop spots your sidearm because your shirt flips up and decides to check you out. Fortunately, you keep your permit/license in your holster, so your sidearm has to come out to show him the permit/license.

 

The cop is going to handcuff you, seize your sidearm, and, due to their common misunderstanding of the law, not return it to you unless they can confirm it belongs to you in a database under many unfortunate circumstances. Hire a lawyer to get it back.

 

Cop had no "search warrant." There was a situation under which you had to provide documents to avoid a night in jail and sort it out later. Was it a good idea to keep your carry permit/license in your holster underneath your handgun? I argue it was not a good idea.

 

There are millions of circumstances under which cops may have RAS to search you or your property, with no warrant, unless you can satisfy legal possession of a firearm. ESPECIALLY IN NEW JERSEY WHERE ALL FIREARM POSSESSION IS ILLEGAL, WITH ONLY EXCEPTIONS. In NJ, possession of a firearm is automatic RAS. If the cop is confused, or can't resolve the situation, he should take your stuff and throw you in a cell until somebody can straighten it out. Fortunately, many cops in NJ are not punch-clock guys and they use a little common sense. But they are perfectly within their rights and the law when they do just that. If you need to show him all kinds of handguns and things that look like AR-15s and AK-47s (which are illegal in NJ, in case you missed it) then expect the worst in the short term.

 

Scenario 2: Neighbor is afraid because they see you putting a cased gun in your car while you are wearing your tactical clothes. Cop shows up and thinks you need to show pistol licenses. Which you keep in your safe. You open the safe and the cop sees what look like AR-15s and AK-47s, which are illegal in NJ. You think they are going to make a day out of figuring it out or take your stuff?

 

I can't believe people are arguing against the simple suggestion of keeping firearms paperwork separate from access to firearms. If you want copies with the firearms, that's cool. But don't give cops permission to search your stuff because it is physically necessary to get your paperwork. You just waived your rights.

Sorry did I miss something, this new tinfoil hat is too big for me...

 

Harry

Sorry did I miss something, this new tinfoil hat is too big for me...

 

Harry

 

Hi Harry,

 

If I am confronted by police suspicious about me or my firearms, what would you suggest I do? And, should I take make any preparations before hand, considering that I carry 100% of the time? I'm getting a feeling this is something you know more than a little about so I'd like your input. I always say, the more people you get input from the better.

99% of the time if I am out of the PRNJ and I am in a state that I can carry I usually CC, not because I don't want to OC, I just rather carry that way. I always have my CCW license's with me and to tell you the truth I have never been stopped and questioned. I do know I will be polite and respectful with any LEO I encounter and not be a dick with them. I know if I am ever confronted I know I am legal, I know I have nothing to hide so I am not to concerned about it, 99.9999999% of the time if your not doing something wrong or drawing attention to yourself you aren't going to get hassled.

 

As far as my paperwork for my firearms, I keep them in a brief case with all my pink slips, deed to the house and other misc paperwork so no going into where my guns are if I am at home, or my Ammo storage cabinet.

 

Harry

As far as my paperwork for my firearms, I keep them in a brief case with all my pink slips, deed to the house and other misc paperwork so no going into where my guns are if I am at home, or my Ammo storage cabinet.

 

Harry

 

I thought you suggested that consideration was "tin foil?" Why are you bringing up that access to your weapons is not required to get your paperwork? That was the only suggestion I mentioned in this thread and you jumped my shit for that one suggestion.

 

99% of the time if I am out of the PRNJ and I am in a state that I can carry I usually CC, not because I don't want to OC, I just rather carry that way. I always have my CCW license's with me and to tell you the truth I have never been stopped and questioned. I do know I will be polite and respectful with any LEO I encounter and not be a dick with them. I know if I am ever confronted I know I am legal, I know I have nothing to hide...

 

Just out of curiosity, does that mean you plan to answer all their questions and waive all of your rights against searches?

I brought up location in reference to your original comment on where you keep yours, but I don't do that for the same reasons as you, just works out the same.

 

Now I see no where did I say I was giving up my rights when stopped, but act like a Dick and and A$$hole and you will have more problems than you bargained for.

 

Harry

I brought up location in reference to your original comment on where you keep yours, but I don't do that for the same reasons as you, just works out the same.

 

Now I see no where did I say I was giving up my rights when stopped, but act like a Dick and and A$$hole and you will have more problems than you bargained for.

 

Harry

 

Where did that come from? Have you acted like a dick in front of cops or something? I'd like to hear how that turned out. You're not supposed to do that.

 

99% of the time if I am out of the PRNJ and I am in a state that I can carry I usually CC, not because I don't want to OC, I just rather carry that way. I always have my CCW license's with me and to tell you the truth I have never been stopped and questioned. I do know I will be polite and respectful with any LEO I encounter and not be a dick with them. I know if I am ever confronted I know I am legal, I know I have nothing to hide so I am not to concerned about it, 99.9999999% of the time if your not doing something wrong or drawing attention to yourself you aren't going to get hassled.

 

Can you give me a little more info about your concealed carry experiences? It seems like you have a a reasonable amount of experience and have figured it out a bit.

No I haven't had any problem with any LEO's and I have not had to give up my rights as you seem to have implied earlier.

 

Now how about we just end this conversation being it doesn't seem to be going anywhere and has yet to provide any useful information for the forum.

 

Harry

No I haven't had any problem with any LEO's and I have not had to give up my rights as you seem to have implied earlier.

 

Now how about we just end this conversation being it doesn't seem to be going anywhere and has yet to provide any useful information for the forum.

 

Harry

 

I have no problem with you no longer arguing that people should keep all their firearms permits, tax returns, and drivers licenses in a box with AK-47s and AR-15s, just in case these documents need to be inspected for whatever reason. I conceed, you are right, you shouldn't be telling people to do something so stupid anymore. And, I agree with your last post twice, that I'll also leave it at that and comment no more on the matter.

Hi Harry,

 

If I am confronted by police suspicious about me or my firearms, what would you suggest I do? And, should I take make any preparations before hand, considering that I carry 100% of the time? I'm getting a feeling this is something you know more than a little about so I'd like your input. I always say, the more people you get input from the better.

 

Where do you carry 100% of the time? Is this in NJ? How to you manage 100% of the time to stay legal?

 

Why do you assume the police will accompany you into your house to retrieve your paperwork? I would not have the police in my house without a warrant. Are they going to follow you to your house or give you a ride there to retrieve you paperwork? The police should certainly be able to confirm your permits with their crack computer systems without the need for you paperwork. No? I mean it's 2011.

I have no problem with you no longer arguing that people should keep all their firearms permits, tax returns, and drivers licenses in a box with AK-47s and AR-15s, just in case these documents need to be inspected for whatever reason. I conceed, you are right, you shouldn't be telling people to do something so stupid anymore.

 

Well I guess I lied and I will have to make one last comment.

 

Can you show me where I ever said that????

 

I really think you need to re-read the thread and see that your are thinking I said something I did not.

 

Also let me add, why is it even if I did say what you think I said gives you the idea that you are better than everyone and they are stupid if they don't agree with your view??

 

Harry

I had to let a cop into my trunk once to get paperwork. Where all my guns were. Did I have “bigger problems?”

 

I had to voluntarily waive all of my rights against unreasonable searches and seizures because my paperwork was with my guns.

 

Not sure how I can explain this in ways other than I have already.

 

Let's try this.

 

Scenario 1: You conceal carry in PA or Delaware. Cop spots your sidearm because your shirt flips up and decides to check you out. Fortunately, you keep your permit/license in your holster, so your sidearm has to come out to show him the permit/license.

 

The cop is going to handcuff you, seize your sidearm, and, due to their common misunderstanding of the law, not return it to you unless they can confirm it belongs to you in a database under many unfortunate circumstances. Hire a lawyer to get it back.

 

Cop had no "search warrant." There was a situation under which you had to provide documents to avoid a night in jail and sort it out later. Was it a good idea to keep your carry permit/license in your holster underneath your handgun? I argue it was not a good idea.

 

There are millions of circumstances under which cops may have RAS to search you or your property, with no warrant, unless you can satisfy legal possession of a firearm. ESPECIALLY IN NEW JERSEY WHERE ALL FIREARM POSSESSION IS ILLEGAL, WITH ONLY EXCEPTIONS. In NJ, possession of a firearm is automatic RAS. If the cop is confused, or can't resolve the situation, he should take your stuff and throw you in a cell until somebody can straighten it out. Fortunately, many cops in NJ are not punch-clock guys and they use a little common sense. But they are perfectly within their rights and the law when they do just that. If you need to show him all kinds of handguns and things that look like AR-15s and AK-47s (which are illegal in NJ, in case you missed it) then expect the worst in the short term.

 

Scenario 2: Neighbor is afraid because they see you putting a cased gun in your car while you are wearing your tactical clothes. Cop shows up and thinks you need to show pistol licenses. Which you keep in your safe. You open the safe and the cop sees what look like AR-15s and AK-47s, which are illegal in NJ. You think they are going to make a day out of figuring it out or take your stuff?

 

I can't believe people are arguing against the simple suggestion of keeping firearms paperwork separate from access to firearms. If you want copies with the firearms, that's cool. But don't give cops permission to search your stuff because it is physically necessary to get your paperwork. You just waived your rights.

I live in the real world, not the scenerio world, but let me run a scenerio by you:

 

You were a resident of Colorado in 1980. You purchased handguns. You have since moved back to New Jersey. Your handguns are NJ compliant and you are not prohibited by law from owning them. You elected to NOT voluntarily register them with the state of NJ. You have no paperwork to show anyone if asked. You can legaly own and transport and shoot these guns without a FID or handgun purchase permit. The only problem you will have is not being able to buy handgun ammo in NJ.

I live in the real world, not the scenerio world, but let me run a scenerio by you:

 

You were a resident of Colorado in 1980. You purchased handguns. You have since moved back to New Jersey. Your handguns are NJ compliant and you are not prohibited by law from owning them. You elected to NOT voluntarily register them with the state of NJ. You have no paperwork to show anyone if asked. You can legaly own and transport and shoot these guns without a FID or handgun purchase permit. The only problem you will have is not being able to buy handgun ammo in NJ.

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As far as i know, there is no paper in NJ that says i am allowed to own any particular weapon. Not to mention there is no way in hell i will invite anyone into my house while i open my safe, and there is no reason to even give them that info, just say your going into the house to get your paperwork, which isn't even necessary. My guns go in the trunk and no one gets access to there either, just because you have guns in the vehicle doesn't give the cops the right to see them. I mean what you expected to take 30 mins out of your day to show the cops all your guns on you and all the paperwork needed to acquire them... seems like a stretch of power to me. All they need to know is that your not a prohibited person and fall under exemption..

Maybe give the officer a test, ask him about some of the firearm laws in NJ, whats the point in divulging all this information to them when they don't even know what to do with it. Am i going to give access to my trunk if i know the LEO has no idea what to do with what he finds? or will i be more prone to let him see them if he can show he knows what hes looking at and what do with that info... If a cop cant tell me what the AWB laws are, its pretty stupid to show him your AR rifle.

I keep original in the safe, photo copy in the handgun case and scan a copy into the mac.

Fortunately, you keep your permit/license in your holster, so your sidearm has to come out to show him the permit/license.

 

 

you lost me there.. I keep my permit in my wallet?

you lost me there.. I keep my permit in my wallet?

Me too. I laminated it, then folded it in half as it never fit my wallet well, and have been carrying it that way for quite a few years.

I keep all of said paperwork in my imagination. I have as much desire to obtain any of that as the police in this state have to following the law when it comes to issuing said paperwork...none.