There are millions of circumstances under which cops may have RAS to search you or your property, with no warrant, unless you can satisfy legal possession of a firearm. ESPECIALLY IN NEW JERSEY WHERE ALL FIREARM POSSESSION IS ILLEGAL, WITH ONLY EXCEPTIONS. In NJ, possession of a firearm is automatic RAS. If the cop is confused, or can't resolve the situation, he should take your stuff and throw you in a cell until somebody can straighten it out. Fortunately, many cops in NJ are not punch-clock guys and they use a little common sense. But they are perfectly within their rights and the law when they do just that. If you need to show him all kinds of handguns and things that look like AR-15s and AK-47s (which are illegal in NJ, in case you missed it) then expect the worst in the short term.

 

 

I'm confused here...used to live in Florida now I live in NJ and in the process of purchasing some firearms...how is firearm possession illegal in NJ?  You have the requisite FID and any necessary pistol permits...Unless, and I'm guessing this is what you mean, you are referring to carrying, and not ownership per se.  Apologies if I'm sounding like a newb with NJ gun laws.

I'm confused here...used to live in Florida now I live in NJ and in the process of purchasing some firearms...how is firearm possession illegal in NJ?  You have the requisite FID and any necessary pistol permits...Unless, and I'm guessing this is what you mean, you are referring to carrying, and not ownership per se.  Apologies if I'm sounding like a newb with NJ gun laws.

 

Welcome to NJ! I'll leave the complaining about ooold thread revival to other people.

 

In any case, he's referring to how NJ firearm law is written. Whereas other states (and of course, the US Constitution) have a right to bear arms, NJ bans ALL firearms, and then allows them via specific exceptions.

 

So for example, other states would have something that says...

 

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be questioned" (that's similar to how PA's law is written). That's not to say they don't have additional restrictions, they most certainly do. But they at least recognize that it is a right.

 

NJ on the other hand, sounds something like.

 

"It is prohibited to possess firearms. Nothing above shall be construed as preventing a person from possessing a firearm at his home, or while hunting" etc, etc. Again, this is all paraphrased off of my mind.

 

So where as most states tell you that you can own a firearm, and then tells you where you can't, NJ tells you that you cannot own firearms at all, and then tells you when you can. Some say it's semantics, but it really shows the attitude the state has when it comes to firearms ownership.

 

As far as you go, you should be fine to possess firearms, even without an NJ FID (actually, FPID, since it's only needed for purchase and more lenient transport), so long as whatever you have is NJ compliant. You gotta keep them at an "exempted location" (home, range, hunting, etc.), and can only transport directly between said exempted locations with as few deviations as possible. An FID will allow you to purchase long arms, pistol ammo, and removes the need to transport LONG arms directly between said locations. Handguns are a whole separate beast (purchase is covered individually by purchase permits, with additional stipulations and rules, and indirect transport covered by the impossible-to-get carry permit). There's a LOT you have to read about NJ laws, but that's a taste of laws involving possession, and what mipafox meant by all possession is banned except by exemptions.

After a short four month wait, I finally got my FID card and handgun permits. Today I bought my first gun. They gave me the pink copy from the permit to keep, but I'm wondering if I should keep it at home or in the case with the gun. Are you required to carry it with you when you transport the gun, or should I just stick it in my fire box for safe keeping?

 

What about my FID card? It's not laminated or anything, so I'm a bit nervous about just sticking it in my wallet where it will get chewed up eventually. Is it OK to keep it in my range bag, or is that a bad idea in case the bag ever gets stolen? Are you allowed to laminate them so they don't get messed up?

 

Only complete Dumb Asses keep their P2P copies with their guns.  If the gun is stolen, the Perp knows where to find MORE of your guns since your ADDRESS is on the form!  Not to mention you're a good candidate for identity theft!  There are still a few Gun Shops that tell people to do this and for what reason I can not fathom.  Probably over-cautious Candy-Asses themselves who don't shoot in leagues at private clubs and therefore don't really know the laws.  You know the type--the same Candy-Asses that won't stop to eat while transporting!  But I digress....  Your papers belong in a file cabinet with some fire protection rating (at HOME).  Your original NJFID gets laminated and stays with you on your person. Newbies at our Club get free lamination while-U-wait at Membership Sign-Up Days.

 

Now, congrats on your first purchase and welcome to the lead pumpin' Club!  It's a disease with NO cure, and he who dies with the most toys, WINS!  LOL!

 

If you need help finding a place to shoot or need any other firearms help, just PM me.

 

Dave 

Has anyone tried presenting a photo of your FID saved in your phone to buy ammo? I'll have to try that sometime.

I have turned away someone as they were using a photocopied FPID on yellow paper.

I have a friend that made a copy of his FID onto a hard plastic credit card (he's a member here also). Looks great front and back. I don't know if he has attempted using it yet. I want one. Probably be good to use when buying ammo at the range. I think when buying a new gun I would bring my original.

 

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Exhibiting a forged or fake government document is a crime. Is a copy forged or fake? :unknw:

A forgery is a fake not legitimate, purposely made to decive.

 

A copy is just a duplicate of an original, not a forgery just not the original copy.

 

Keep in mind IANAL. Maybe the eyes of the law and keepers of justice would see this different than me.

 

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