However, I do not like some crazy number of 2K, 3K rounds down range. YET haha

 

2K to 3K and they are just starting loosen up, nothing wrong with a gun with than few rounds through her. A lot of us will do that in a few months shooting USPSA, IDPA and Steel matches and some will do that in a month to few weeks or maybe even less. No big deal at all.

Buy it, clean it, shoot it. =)

 

I would avoid CCI Blazer ammo for the first few hundred rounds. As we recently found out at a match, Blazer (aluminum) is a soft round, that I had issues with cycling the gun. It would cause FTE (failure to eject). Ammo was only 115 pf or so, right at 1000 fps for 115 grain bullet.

 

After break in, it cycled fine, but try any commercial Winchester White Box, American Eagle, or Federal ammo, and it should be fine.

 

I know Hk recommends breaking the gun in with 147 grain ammo, and to shoot a min of 124, however after a while, 115 should cycle just fine.

 

Issue of stiff spring. What you can do is change out the recoil spring to a reduced power one, but I would avoid it unless you know what you are doing and load your own.

 

Someone more qualified than me should post more or otherwise.

Buy it, clean it, shoot it. =)

 

I would avoid CCI Blazer ammo for the first few hundred rounds. As we recently found out at a match, Blazer (aluminum) is a soft round, that I had issues with cycling the gun. It would cause FTE (failure to eject). Ammo was only 115 pf or so, right at 1000 fps for 115 grain bullet.

 

After break in, it cycled fine, but try any commercial Winchester White Box, American Eagle, or Federal ammo, and it should be fine.

 

I know Hk recommends breaking the gun in with 147 grain ammo, and to shoot a min of 124, however after a while, 115 should cycle just fine.

 

Issue of stiff spring. What you can do is change out the recoil spring to a reduced power one, but I would avoid it unless you know what you are doing and load your own.

 

Someone more qualified than me should post more or otherwise.

 

Thanks... I still have a nagging problem with my p250 with a very stiff spring and infrequent issues with FTE's using some ammo. Don't want to start off on the wrong foot.

I know nothing about the P250. =) But I do know I am not a fan of the Sig DAO DAK triggers.

I know nothing about the P250. =) But I do know I am not a fan of the Sig DAO DAK triggers.

 

 

The P250 trigger is nothing like the DAK. It is long and light. Consistent 5.5# - 6# with no stacking. Similar to the best S&W trigger you have ever felt (probably better). The only complaint about the P250 trigger is the long reset. Just something you have to learn, just like any gun.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

The P250 trigger is nothing like the DAK. It is long and light. Consistent 5.5# - 6# with no stacking. Similar to the best S&W trigger you have ever felt (probably better). The only complaint about the P250 trigger is the long reset. Just something you have to learn, just like any gun.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

....I must be a slow learner,I just can't seem to embrace this gun fully and even after opting for it after testing, I still have a certain amount of buyer's remorse....

I mis-typed when I said "I don't like 2K, 3K..." and meant I don't have 2K to 3K down range yet.

 

I certainly didn't mean 2K to 3K in a sense that the gun would be less appealing, worn out, or anything of that nature. Just was stating I can't speak from a higher quantity reliability standpoint. Like I said, I hope to have that many through it soon enough. So far it's been great and gets a +1 from me. I'd love to find the time on a weekend to put that many down range.

I'm in the market for a new .9mm handgun. It will never be carried, except to and from the range to become proficient in its use. It will sit and stay on my nightstand, in hopes I'll never need to use it unexpectedly. It must be capable of 15-rounds in the mag (the NJ limit, I believe). It must be a .9mm, so please please please please, don't suggest a .45 ACP or a .40 or a whatever. Thanks in advance.

 

So far, it appears the Glock 19 (Gen 3, as the Gen 4 is riddled with issues) and the Sig P226/P226 DAK fit the bill as it relates to rounds-capacity, however I have no experience with either one. There must be others, but I'm not really up on the subject.

 

 

I disagree. No issues with a Gen4 G19. It is a great gun and I've got 1500 rounds through it in 7 months. I would definately recommend it. Good grip, easy to clean, low cost of operation.

Is that the stright B model or B SA??

 

I have wanted to try out both, have been thinking about picking up the 9mm, also if we meet up I'd like to put a few rounds through her, I have a CZ 75 TS in .40 S&W you can try out also.

 

 

I have the Single Action Model. Yeah you can shoot it anytime, Ill be going to ShoreShot in a week or so, So we can deffinetly set something up.

To the OP... I don't know your wife's build, but MAKE SURE that she can rack the slide on anything you want to keep on the nightstand. My wife can rack the slide on some of my centerfire semi-autos if she makes a concerted effort, but in a panic I seriously doubt she would be able to. For this reason I keep a revolver next to one of my HKs in the nightstand. Also, I like having two pistols available just in case.

My nightstand gun was an Hk P30L, until I sold it. Right now there is an AR, and an east german Makarov.

 

how do you plan on shooting an AR inside the house??

i hope u have your ears next to it too!

I have the Single Action Model. Yeah you can shoot it anytime, Ill be going to ShoreShot in a week or so, So we can deffinetly set something up.

 

Cool, I still am a member of SS so I can meet you there sometime, my schedule isn't the best right now but let me know when your going to be going, PM me, I usually am able to respond to them is a timely manner.

how do you plan on shooting an AR inside the house??

i hope u have your ears next to it too!

 

Oh yea, that will work,, oh excuse me Mr Robber, could you please give me a moment, I need to put on my Glasses and Hearing Protection prior to averting you advances to kill me and rape my wife. While you are waiting here is some Gery Poupon..

 

 

 

Actually, I think in a on O-Crap situation I doubt eyes ears or anything will be a concern at that moment., and if by chance anyone was to try and clear the house (let not go down that road again we did this discussion already) I doubt we would want ears anyway, you would want all of your senses working to there best ability.

 

Also how many law enforcement personal go into a situation with protective gear like eyes and ears, while it may not be optimum for your eyes and ears, it's not common and should pose any threat, however in the remote chance it did dame your hearing, I rather loose that than my live or something happening to my family.

To the OP... I don't know your wife's build, but MAKE SURE that she can rack the slide on anything you want to keep on the nightstand. My wife can rack the slide on some of my centerfire semi-autos if she makes a concerted effort, but in a panic I seriously doubt she would be able to. For this reason I keep a revolver next to one of my HKs in the nightstand. Also, I like having two pistols available just in case.

 

That's a great suggestion, of which I hadn't thought of. I did think of a revolver prior to my post for the sole reason that I could leave it loaded forever and not have to worry about damaging the spring tension of a magazine that stayed fully loaded 100% of the time. The only reason (and I mean the only reason) that I took a revolver out of the mix was it's low number of rounds in pretty much any caliber. I'm more interested in "number of available rounds" than I am of caliber and size of the round. I wanted something more than a .22LR, so that's why I'm focusing on the 9mm (see, no decimal point. I learn good:))

That's a great suggestion, of which I hadn't thought of. I did think of a revolver prior to my post for the sole reason that I could leave it loaded forever and not have to worry about damaging the spring tension of a magazine that stayed fully loaded 100% of the time. The only reason (and I mean the only reason) that I took a revolver out of the mix was it's low number of rounds in pretty much any caliber. I'm more interested in "number of available rounds" than I am of caliber and size of the round. I wanted something more than a .22LR, so that's why I'm focusing on the 9mm (see, no decimal point. I learn good:))

 

Another benefit to a revolver is that a heavy .357 will have the kick of .22lr with .38spl loads. I keep .38+P in my .357 at home, which is very very easy for my wife to control.

Yea, but the problem is, what's the most you can have loaded at once, 6, 8, 10 rounds max, if that?

That's a great suggestion, of which I hadn't thought of. I did think of a revolver prior to my post for the sole reason that I could leave it loaded forever and not have to worry about damaging the spring tension of a magazine that stayed fully loaded 100% of the time. The only reason (and I mean the only reason) that I took a revolver out of the mix was it's low number of rounds in pretty much any caliber. I'm more interested in "number of available rounds" than I am of caliber and size of the round. I wanted something more than a .22LR, so that's why I'm focusing on the 9mm (see, no decimal point. I learn good:))

 

Mag spring tension from what I understand is degraded from cycling them not from keeping them compressed, so keep a mag loaded all the time should not be a problem.

Yea, but the problem is, what's the most you can have loaded at once, 6, 8, 10 rounds max, if that?

 

I believe 8 is the most you will find. I would rather have 6 rounds of .38 that my wife can manipulate 100% than a gun with 90 rounds and a slide that my wife can't rack.

I believe 8 is the most you will find. I would rather have 6 rounds of .38 that my wife can manipulate 100% than a gun with 90 rounds and a slide that my wife can't rack.

 

 

I know that. I'm not arguing that point. All things equal as far as her and I being able to load, hold and shoot the gun, I'd feel more confortable with more that 6-rounds. That's all I'm saying.

Mag spring tension from what I understand is degraded from cycling them not from keeping them compressed, so keep a mag loaded all the time should not be a problem.

 

Thanks. I had thought damage (or should I say weakening) occurs due to constant spring compression.

I have 158gr 38spcl +p in my 357. Very east to control for anybody, even myself. Personally I prefer a sig with 15 rounds 9mm/ 14 rounds of .40 sitting next to me.

If that was the case your recoil spring would be worn out after 8.33 minutes of the slide being locked back. Thats how long the slide is compressed for 10,000 firings, and obviously that is not true. Recoil and magazine springs will behave the same as far as what wears them out.

 

Compression/decompression cycles is what kills springs.

My first choice would be a Glock 19 variant. I'd go with the GEN3 because you have concerns (unless you have really small hands). You can always put some grip tape on it, and I think the trigger is nicer, although it seems to have a little more take up than a GEN 4. And, if you want to further your collection, you would be able to pickup more used GEN3s that would have a lot of parts commonality.

 

For me, though, I would prefer the GEN4 because mine has worked flawlessly and it fits my smaller hands better and I personally like the rough grip. If something goes bump in the night and my hands get a little sweaty, I want to be covered. If I was allowed to personally carry and it was coming in contact with my side, I might opt for the GEN 3. The Glock is easy to work on, has numerous parts available, can use the G17 higher cacity mags if you move to a free state, parts are available for it. And, it probably has more sights and holsters available for it than just about anything else.

 

If you want a metal gun and you aren't worried about parts availability, etc., then my first choice would be the Magnum Research Baby Eagle Semi-Compact (all-steel) (15 rounds) BE9915RSL Semi-Compact, or the really neat Baby Eagle Compact (12 rounds) BE9915RSL Compact .

 

However, you cannot go wrong with either a CZ75B or Beretta 92 variety and both can be found with 15-round magazines. If I went the Beretta route, I would get a 92A1 with the removable sights and option for a flashlight, etc.

 

I personally think the CZ-75B brushed stainless is awesome, but maybe you would be more visable at 2:00 a.m. There are a lot of choices in the CZ family, and I would choose something that felt better in my hands than strictly limiting it so something with 15 rounds of 9mm volume! You might consider the CZ-P01: http://www.genitron..../P2-CZ-P01.html (14 rounds), or the CZ 75 Compact (14 rounds) http://www.cz-usa.co.../cz-75-compact/ or some other variant.

 

Other thoughts would be:

 

Taurus PT92 (I like the stainless, but again, it would be visable)

Magnum Research Baby Eagle Polymer

EEA Witness

Stoeger Cougar 8000 (probably the best choice if you are on a Budget!)

S&W M&P (Hard to get mags)

 

Stick w/ the Glock if you don't mind the feel of the Glock, or get the Baby Eagle Semi-Compact if you want something awesome and unusual.

This is in reference to one of the issues I mentioned hearing about on the Gen-4 G19. It effects more than just the G19. Also, this does not address the extractor issue. Some feel this spring issue simulated what others thought was an extractor issues. I don't know my a** from a hole in the ground when it comes to fireams, so I don't have a clue. I'm just passing along the data the supports what I was saying concerning one of the Gen-4 issues.

 

 

 

Subject: FW: GLOCK Armorer's RECOIL SPRING ASSEMBLY notice

 

Sent: Tue Sep 06 07:51:37 2011

Subject: GLOCK Armorer's RECOIL SPRING ASSEMBLY notice

 

GLOCK, Inc.

U.S.A.

 

GLOCK, Inc. P.O. Box 369

Smyrna, Georgia 30081 U.S.A.

 

Fax. (770) 433-8719

Tel. (770) 432-1202

 

Dear GLOCK Armorer:

 

On September 6, 2011, GLOCK Inc. will begin voluntarily exchanging the recoil spring assembly (RSA) on its new Gen4 pistols shipped since 2009 GLOCK’s product development team has modified various elements of the RSA to ensure each pistol’s performance meets the company’s demanding standards. With several variations of the RSA in the market today, GLOCK’s goal with this voluntary exchange is to standardize the RSA to gain the best possible performance in each pistol.

 

Armorers should note that Gen4 G26 and G27 models will not require a modified recoil spring.

 

The new RSA’s all have unique markings on the base of the part. The enclosed chart is designed to help you readily identify the correct RSA for your pistol.

 

Unless a directive is mandated by your agency or your store, the replacement of the Gen4 pistol’s RSA can be performed as part of the regular field-strip process. Agencies or Consumer’s wishing to participate in the exchange program at no charge are urged to call 1-877-745-8523 to order their new RSA.

 

For more information on the details of the exchange program, visit www.TEAMGLOCK.com.

 

 

Sorry, the other issue is with the ejector, not the extractor. Apparrently, for those sending their guns back to Glock to get the new RSA swapped/installed, they are automatically replacing the ejector as well. If you call the number and ask, they will send you a mailing label, so you don't have to pay postage to send your gun to them.

Anyone who does not think there are issues with the Gen 4 glocks is sadly mistaken. Fortunately, it seems to be resolved for them.

 

I go with the premise of...

 

If your gun did not fail yet, you ain't shooting it hard enough/enough.

while I haven't been shooting my glocks a whole lot, I have not had a failure at all. MY recoil springs were swapped (sent to me) by Glock and I have as of yet to change them.

 

 

 

Some people just like to complain.

 

 

 

Oh and as far as hard to get M&P mags I haven't a clue what your talking about. I have no issue getting mags. Just bought 2 more 15 rounders.

You beat me to it on the M&P mags availability Bryan. I just ordered 4 15 rounders from GandRTactical last week. Had them in about 3 days.

Thanks. I had thought damage (or should I say weakening) occurs due to constant spring compression.

 

Actually let me re-clarify being some will say the they kept mags loaded and the springs were shot and needed to be replaced.

 

The steel used to make springs can degrade overtime, corrosion is one way, the other way is being compressed beyond there load limit normally over a lengthy period of time, however a spring being compressed within it's load limit will retain it's functionality. Also a spring will wear out from being cycled.

 

So to say you keep a mag fully loaded it may be at it's limit, so it may be a good idea to keep 1 or 2 less rounds loaded if you plan on keeping then in working order over a long period of time.

Beretta Px4 Storm fullsize!

 

15 round mags are cheap for it too.