Here are the words from someone who is supposed to be a cop, and Describes himself as a "Pro-gun Conservative"

 

If you're on the job, you really need to brush up on this subject. The purchaser permit for a handgun is an automatic form of register and must accompany the handgun while transporting it in a motor vehicle in NJ. Long guns may be voluntarily registered as there is only the Federal 4473 form filed with the FFL dealer where the weapon was purchased. These FFL dealers get audited annually by the BATFE (not ATF agents but civilian record keepers who work for them), to ensure that these forms are filed correctly and to somewhat keep track of the weapons sold. By having these documents, it will help the officer in concluding that the individual transporting the firearms (more likely, than not) can legally possess them.

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If someone comes into NJ with a handgun or a CO2 air pistol without a copy of the NJ purchaser permit and ID card, or a long gun without a firearms ID card, I guarantee you that a competent Police Officer will arrest and charge the individual with unlawful possession of a firearm.

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Even with 3 other guys telling him he's Facking wrong..he just wont give it up..the ONLY person agreeing with him is the Board Truther.. 8 months, 16 days

They should just edit the NJ gun statutes with a bunch of <insert whatever idea you have here, it is now law> remarks.

 

 

 

TYPICAL

 

 

 

arf?

arf?

 

I wish it was..nope, that's right here at home...and apparently IM the A-hole it seems I don't know what im talking about......Shut Up Paul

heh? Link?

will this person read the actual staues or does this person have their mind set?

So how does this mental giant reconcile handguns purchased while a person was a resident of a different state?

who? what?

will this person read the actual staues or does this person have their mind set?

He's fixated on 2C;39-5...and doesn't want to accept that 39-6 gives EXACTLY the exceptions I was talking about.....But he's on OUR side.

heh? Link?

here it is http://uslawman.websitetoolbox.com/post/Traveling-to-NJ-with-a-Rifle-5619390 However it is in the "Ask an officer" section..I already jumped one wannabe for answering a question in there, so i ask you guys not jump into it.

Wowser. Thanks for the link. Did not know of that forum.

hahaha get him kpdpipes

Wowser. Thanks for the link. Did not know of that forum.

NORMALLY it's the wannabe's that are antis..the actual COPS are pretty pro-gun this kid is just a retard, and the other Moron Cletus is a truther who hates my guts for pointing out his Hypocrisy.

it is taking every ounce of willpower to not respond..

What I have always wondered is... If one were to drive with a paper-less pistol (borrowed from a friend or whatever), it would be illegal. It would be illegal possession because he didn't buy it with a PPP. I assume all of the paperwork is in some system.

 

What about those that inerited it? You dont need a PPP, but there is also no paperwork in the system tying you to it, so how would the Police know?

What I have always wondered is... If one were to drive with a paper-less pistol (borrowed from a friend or whatever), it would be illegal. It would be illegal possession because he didn't buy it with a PPP. I assume all of the paperwork is in some system.

 

What about those that inerited it? You dont need a PPP, but there is also no paperwork in the system tying you to it, so how would the Police know?

 

You don't need to carry copies of your P2P when you transport your hand gun.

You would have paperwork of you buying that gun legally, ie, a bill of sale, or what not, that you should have for every purchase/sale.

 

Driving without a permit is not illegal, driving without a legally purchased/transfered/aquired gun is.

 

You cannot drive around with a friends gun, but... no one says you cannot drive around with a gun you legally purchased (say out of state before you moved to NJ).

What if you bought the gun a long time ago from another person when you lived in a different state where paperwork is not needed? Isn't there at statue of limitation for this?

What if you bought the gun a long time ago from another person when you lived in a different state where paperwork is not needed? Isn't there at statue of limitation for this?

 

Doesn't matter where you got it, if the gun is legal to have here in NJ and you obtained the gun legally you are good.

no one says you cannot drive around with a gun you legally purchased (say out of state before you moved to NJ).

 

Except for that pesky "directly to the range" thing in regards to handguns.

So we don't need any paperwork. It's up to the state to prove the gun is illegally obtained. Correct?

 

Doesn't matter where you got it, if the gun is legal to have here in NJ and you obtained the gun legally you are good.

it is taking every ounce of willpower to not respond..

 

My left eye is twitching!

So we don't need any paperwork. It's up to the state to prove the gun is illegally obtained. Correct?

 

You don't need any paperwork to possess within an exemption, but, the exemptions are an affirmative defense. If arrested, you must prove that you are within one of the exemptions. You can possess an unloaded rifle or shotgun outside of the exemptions with an FPID card. You can possess a handgun outside of the exemptions with a NJ Permit to Carry a Handgun.

I have to tell you.. every time I see this nonsense.. it just shows that we should be quoting and recording all this.. just to illustrate the insane level of confusion the laws cause.. if LEO can not understand the law.. then there needs to be some serious adjustments made..

I have to tell you.. every time I see this nonsense.. it just shows that we should be quoting and recording all this.. just to illustrate the insane level of confusion the laws cause.. if LEO can not understand the law.. then there needs to be some serious adjustments made..

 

That's a great idea. I think I'll print that whole exchange and use it when we talk to legislators.

That's a great idea. I think I'll print that whole exchange and use it when we talk to legislators.

 

problem is that I KNOW I'm a cop, i KNOW Pr-24 is a cop, and i KNOW Exfed was a cop..i have NO idea if Ar15 actually is a cop...there's no emplyment verification there...hasnt been since before i started posting on the site.

I have to tell you.. every time I see this nonsense.. it just shows that we should be quoting and recording all this.. just to illustrate the insane level of confusion the laws cause.. if LEO can not understand the law.. then there needs to be some serious adjustments made..

 

I agree Ant, but this forum and all of us are not always on the same page when it come to the laws here, especially some of the Grey areas.

 

I don't think we can expect every cop to know every single law that is on the books, however I really think there should be a checks and balance system before people are arrested and booked for something, especially with the amount of automaton that is out there these days. Not saying I want to be the guy that gets hooked up put in the back seat while they check, but I would rather if checked and found out that everything was ok and released on the spot would sure as heck be a lot better than going through the whole system and hassle and be right.

I agree Ant, but this forum and all of us are not always on the same page when it come to the laws here, especially some of the Grey areas.

 

I don't think we can expect every cop to know every single law that is on the books, however I really think there should be a checks and balance system before people are arrested and booked for something, especially with the amount of automaton that is out there these days. Not saying I want to be the guy that gets hooked up put in the back seat while they check, but I would rather if checked and found out that everything was ok and released on the spot would sure as heck be a lot better than going through the whole system and hassle and be right.

 

To be honest..the average street cop runs across MAYBE 1-2 gun jobs PER YEAR..most guys aren't conversant with the firearms provisions 2C:39 because they dont run across it all that much..it's important to US, because it affects us. narcotics guys can rattle off the Drug statutes..MV guys can pull Title 39 out of their butt's on command..your average cop knows Theft, Assault DV, and that sort of thing by rote. is it an excuse?? maybe not but it is what it is.