Was told this by Vernon PD recently while applying for some P2Ps. Has anyone else been told this? NJAC says re fingerprinting is not required if proper ID is provided and the permits are issued by same PD. $62.50 for fingerprints is a lot of money every six months, I can't see how this is legal. Thoughts?

I believe it is up to the issuing police department if they want you to be refingerprinted. Basically, if they want to harass you, they can require it. It is required if you move. I believe that there is some new law where you can only get one finger printed per month, though.

I believe that there is some new law where you can only get one finger printed per month, though.

 

Hehe

Yes, didn't you know your fingerprints go bad after a while. I know my fingerprints personally change every couple weeks, much like my eye and hair color. I was even told that in certainly lighting sometimes I don't even look human.

Bonesium got it. Fingerprints change constantly.

Was told this by Vernon PD recently while applying for some P2Ps. Has anyone else been told this?

 

My fingerprints have been good in Fanwood for 12 years. They stick with the exact law, so there you go...

Yeah, even your FID is no good, since that's an old fingerprint there. you need a new fingerprint.

When fingerprints are scanned electronically, all you should have to do in the future is give the PD the PIN that identifies your prints. At least that's the way it's supposed to work.

haha! once your fingerprinted your in the state and fbi database f-o-r-E-v-er! Getting re-fingerprinted unless you move to another state is a complete waste of time and money.

So I guess there's an argument in my future..

Yeah, even your FID is no good, since that's an old fingerprint there. you need a new fingerprint.

 

good point, I never thought of that. I'll have to bring that up to them. I really hate NJ.

When fingerprints are scanned electronically, all you should have to do in the future is give the PD the PIN that identifies your prints. At least that's the way it's supposed to work.

 

What "Pin" is that Exactly?????

I just picked up the pistol purchase paperwork today. My town used to require new fingerprints if you havent applied in over 2 years.....now they changed to to 5 years...This is in South Brunswick.

My question is: are these requirements legal?

My question is: are these requirements legal?

 

Legal, illegal, it is irrelevant. There isn't much you can do about it either way.

What "Pin" is that Exactly?????

 

If you had prints scanned by Sagem Morpho (the company that the state contracted with to do finger printing) they would have given you what looks like a cash register receipt with a PIN number that is unique to you. That number should be good any time they need to be called up. This is the system NJSP uses, not sure about locals.

If you had prints scanned by Sagem Morpho (the company that the state contracted with to do finger printing) they would have given you what looks like a cash register receipt with a PIN number that is unique to you. That number should be good any time they need to be called up. This is the system NJSP uses, not sure about locals.

 

I did save the reciept, I guess I'll give it a try when the time comes. Thanks.

My question is: are these requirements legal?

 

Well let me look in the NJSP guide to firearms investigation for local Police Departments - oh that's right, I can't...

Here's what the NJSP Guide has to say:

 

Under: Investigation / Paragraph #3

 

Fingerprints are required to be collected and submitted from initial applicants for a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card or Permit to Purchase a Handgun. They are not required on subsequent applications for similar permits.

 

Please note that the emphasis in the above paragraph is as it appears in the guide and is NOT my own. This is from an old copy of the guide that predates Sagem Morpho, but the requirements should be the same.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

What "Pin" is that Exactly?????

I was under the impression your SBI number was linked to your prints, when you re-apply that is what they use to do the BG check, no?

 

 

 

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Either way your prints are in the states and fbi database, this was the whole point in going digital.

 

Sagem Morpho will not pull up previous prints, they take them and send them where they need to go. I called them once about using previous prints which went to the FBI and NJSP, to see if they would send them to another state division and they said no, i had to get re-fingerprinted.

I was under the impression your SBI number was linked to your prints, when you re-apply that is what they use to do the BG check, no?

 

 

 

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Either way your prints are in the states and fbi database, this was the whole point in going digital.

 

Sagem Morpho will not pull up previous prints, they take them and send them where they need to go. I called them once about using previous prints which went to the FBI and NJSP, to see if they would send them to another state division and they said no, i had to get re-fingerprinted.

 

I was under the same impresssion, why go digital otherwise? Hopefully the officer I spoke with was misinformed. The admin code is very clear that re-fingerprinting is not required, I just hope they see things my way.

I was under the same impresssion, why go digital otherwise? Hopefully the officer I spoke with was misinformed. The admin code is very clear that re-fingerprinting is not required, I just hope they see things my way.

The only time you should be asked to do it again is if you have not had them taken digitally, or if the state division doesn't have your prints on file, like say the dept. of education in my case. I have had more then 4 bg checks done in the past 3 years(all evenly spaced out), and not once have i had to actually be printed twice for the same thing( i just file for the bg check). The state police could learn a thing or 2 from the doe, u file online and they send you an approval in the mail within a month(if your already printed and on file), no reason the SP cant do it this way other then wasting (our)time and money. Imagine filing for PP's online and having them in a month!!! Would completely bypass the municipality BS.

Ah, I understand why they do this now. Everyone from NJ is actually Clayface from Batman.

I was under the impression your SBI number was linked to your prints, when you re-apply that is what they use to do the BG check, no?

your SBI number is like a SSN. It sticks with you for life. I first got it when I applied for an FID in the mid 90s. Same file when they did a background check on me for my employment. They also used the same number when i got my SORA certification in 2010.

I was under the impression your SBI number was linked to your prints, when you re-apply that is what they use to do the BG check, no?

 

 

 

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Either way your prints are in the states and fbi database, this was the whole point in going digital.

 

Sagem Morpho will not pull up previous prints, they take them and send them where they need to go. I called them once about using previous prints which went to the FBI and NJSP, to see if they would send them to another state division and they said no, i had to get re-fingerprinted.

there not going to give up there cash cow

I might as well beat our G&S Police to the punch... they're for the first part, their for the second.

Sagem has quite the sweet deal with NJ. When we did our two adoptions, we had to be printed TWICE for each one. This was apparently because the fingerprinting 'expired' after a year, if your final approval by NJ hadn't been made. Which never happens in a year. So there's another built in revenue stream there from the state, at least on the adoption side. Contrast that with OPM, for my security clearances and renewals, I haven't been fingerprinted since 2004. Your fingertips can take quite a beating, and I suppose a sharp lawyer could get fingerprint evidence thrown out if prints collected at a crime don't match those in the database exactly.

I have two numbers; One for work background checks, since I work within the school system, and the second was obtained when I applied for my FID card. I asked the trooper if the one from work would be okay, but I had to get done a second time.

Two numbers? As in two SBI #s?

i also had to do 2 sagem morpho prints within a 3 week period. While volunteering for a school, i needed prints.

I told the person I just got it done with sagem morpho 3 weeks prior. She said it was needed again because the first prints were for a completely different thing and each background check had different requirements.