I might as well beat our G&S Police to the punch... they're for the first part, their for the second.

I might as well beat our G&S Police to the punch... they're for the first part, their for the second.

i also had to do 2 sagem morpho prints within a 3 week period. While volunteering for a school, i needed prints.

I told the person I just got it done with sagem morpho 3 weeks prior. She said it was needed again because the first prints were for a completely different thing and each background check had different requirements.

 

There appears to be a huge opportunity here for a legal group.

 

They can sue Sagem Morpho on behalf of anyone who has had to pay to get their digital prints re-taken. There is no marginal cost to making a second copy of a print...there is perhaps some clerical costs of a few dollars, but that's it. This revenue stream by Sagem Morpho is clearly worth 10s or hundreds of millions of dollars. It also generates costs on the local and state level, having to re-process prints. A competent legal team could earn their retirement and make SM desist in this process. I realize there is probably some language in the statutes requiring fingerprinting for various things but I'm sure you could win a judgement that a copy of an unaltered digital file is sufficient.

 

Fingerprints do not change over time. Even with scarring and damage. This is nothing more than a fleecing of NJ citizens.

Two numbers? As in two SBI #s?

 

Yes. why one wasn't sufficient, I don't know. Fortunately for me, I had to pay only once. The school I work for picked up the other tab.

just looked this up yesterday for someone; as was mentioned earlier, it is up the Chief.

 

When is fingerprinting required?

A5.

Individuals must be fingerprinted when applying for a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card or a Permit to Purchase a Handgun.

An individual making application for a handgun purchase permit who possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, or who has previously obtained a handgun purchase permit from the same licensing authority for which he or she was previously fingerprinted, and who provides other reasonable satisfactory proof of his or her identity, in the discretion of the chief of police or Superintendent, need not be fingerprinted again.

An individual seeking a Permit to Carry a Handgun must be fingerprinted upon the initial application and each subsequent renewal.

Fees - $60.25 certified check or money order made out to the Division of State Police S.B.I. Additional information can be obtained from your local police department or nearest New Jersey State Police station.

Police departments with questions concerning fingerprints or fees please contact the Criminal Information Unit at ext. 2991.

Old Bridge wants re-printing if you haven't had a FID or PP done in the past 2 years.

 

This whole Sagem Morpho thing has be worried. The company and its technology has the foundation and potential for creating a state/national biometric databse. Traditionally fingerprinting was done to criminals or those arrested, then whenever suspects of a crime needed to be checked they would compare the database to see if you were one of those prior criminals or had any prior offenses.

 

Now, regular civilians not involved in the criminal justice process are being fingerprinted for a myriad of reasons including firearm permits, employment, adoptions, contractor work, etc. Many of them use Sagem Morpho, so they have the potential of sharing your biometric and ID information to whomever. This is dangerous for all the same reasons a National ID system could be abused.

 

Next we'll see portable fingerprint scanners at banks, when you buy insurance, purchase cars, get a mortgage, register kids for school, etc etc. Of course... all for our own protection to combat things like identity theft, etc.

 

I know its tinfoil hat stuff, but once that data is all in one place and accessible, there are so many potentials for profit and control by mining that data.

 

just looked this up yesterday for someone; as was mentioned earlier, it is up the Chief.

 

When is fingerprinting required?

A5.

Individuals must be fingerprinted when applying for a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card or a Permit to Purchase a Handgun.

An individual making application for a handgun purchase permit who possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, or who has previously obtained a handgun purchase permit from the same licensing authority for which he or she was previously fingerprinted, and who provides other reasonable satisfactory proof of his or her identity, in the discretion of the chief of police or Superintendent, need not be fingerprinted again.

An individual seeking a Permit to Carry a Handgun must be fingerprinted upon the initial application and each subsequent renewal.

Fees - $60.25 certified check or money order made out to the Division of State Police S.B.I. Additional information can be obtained from your local police department or nearest New Jersey State Police station.

Police departments with questions concerning fingerprints or fees please contact the Criminal Information Unit at ext. 2991.

This is old... and not even relevant anymore. You dont pay the division of State police anymore. Im not sure what the deal is but this should have been changed by now. This guide is from pre-digital prints, when everything was black ink and paper.

you have to be kidding.. They better not hit me with that one..

Directly from Title 13 Chapter 54, taken from State Police website http://nj.gov/njsp/about/fire_ag2.html

 

(g) An applicant for a handgun purchase permit who possesses a valid firearms purchaser

identification card, or who has previously obtained a handgun purchase permit from the same

licensing authority for which he or she was previously fingerprinted, and who provides an additional

valid identification document of his or her identity, need not be fingerprinted again. In such cases,

the chief of police or Superintendent shall otherwise fully investigate the applicant in accordance

with this subchapter. The chief of police or Superintendent shall require the applicant to complete

the New Jersey State Police, State Bureau of Identification (SBI) "Request For Criminal History

Record Information For Non Criminal Justice Purpose" form, and pay the appropriate fee

established by N.J.A.C. 13:59. Applicants unable to provide an additional valid identification

document shall submit to fingerprinting

This is old... and not even relevant anymore. You dont pay the division of State police anymore. Im not sure what the deal is but this should have been changed by now. This guide is from pre-digital prints, when everything was black ink and paper.

no wonder nobody knows whats right or wrong.. my source..

 

http://nj.gov/njsp/faq.html

I could be wrong, but I do not think that every municipality has gone to the Morpho Trak system and still do inked prints.

I could be wrong, but I do not think that every municipality has gone to the Morpho Trak system and still do inked prints.

 

I believe the dept in my township still does their own printing, but no longer ink & paper. They are set-up to do electronic printing and then can print out a hard copy (printed me for my FL CCW renewal). I would assume they could also send the file electronically.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Was told this by Vernon PD recently while applying for some P2Ps. Has anyone else been told this? NJAC says re fingerprinting is not required if proper ID is provided and the permits are issued by same PD. $62.50 for fingerprints is a lot of money every six months, I can't see how this is legal. Thoughts?

I have lived in Brick and Lakewood for the last 28 years and have bought about 18 handguns in the last 20 years and have

been fingerprinted once 20 tears ago and once last year.

Scig

When i spoke to my PD they claimed that all municipalites are required to go digital now, not sure when the deadline was or is. Most Pd's made the switch before the deadline, mine did it some 2 years ago. Thats great they can take the prints in house digitally, going to morpho cost alot and is time consuming.