every child is different. until you have a child of your own, you will NEVER understand. You can work with thousands of children, but it's still not the same when it's your own child.

 

So you would post a long video on YouTube b*tching her out and then shooting her computer with your .45 like a true bad@ss? Or would you do it differently? I never said you shouldn't discipline your child but it's proven time and time again that publicly embarrassing your child does nothing to improve behavior. He took it a whole step further and posted for the world to see and now it's all over the Internet. It'll probay be on Tosh.0 next season. Do you really think this girl is going to respect her father after that? There's nothing wrong with discipline...every child needs it, but there's a right and wrong way to do things.

 

 

So you would post a long video on YouTube b*tching her out and then shooting her computer with your .45 like a true bad@ss? Or would you do it differently?

i can come up with creative ways, doesn't necessarily have to be shooting a computer. Like what I said, every child is different. You will know what do when it comes to your own child. There's no "one size fits all" punishment.

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So you would post a long video on YouTube b*tching her out and then shooting her computer with your .45 like a true bad@ss? Or would you do it differently? I never said you shouldn't discipline your child but it's proven time and time again that publicly embarrassing your child does nothing to improve behavior. He took it a whole step further and posted for the world to see and now it's all over the Internet. It'll probay be on Tosh.0 next season. Do you really think this girl is going to respect her father after that? There's nothing wrong with discipline...every child needs it, but there's a right and wrong way to do things.

 

and when previously he wasn't a douche and didn't publish it for everyone to see - that really worked huh?

 

Look - sometimes the best medicine is that which the kid themselves are dishing out. Or perhaps it touches a special chord with you Mark - maybe it hits a bit too close to home, huh??

May the mother's curse not rest upon you: "May you have kids JUST LIKE YOU."

 

Oh how true that is, If I knew then what I know now, I would have done things different back then..

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and when previously he wasn't a douche and didn't publish it for everyone to see - that really worked huh?

 

Look - sometimes the best medicine is that which the kid themselves are dishing out. Or perhaps it touches a special chord with you Mark - maybe it hits a bit too close to home, huh??

 

Oh so if I don't agree with your view it has to be me? Maybe this form of douche fathering hits a little close for you? I'm going with my experience teaching for 10 years. I've dealt with children that'll make this kid look like an angel (jersey city special Ed...project kids with ED/BD). I've never had a problem with discipline...in most cases I don't think there's enough nowadays. You just don't need to embarrass them, especially on the level he did, to prove a point. I'm sure she respects him a lot more now.

 

Your taking this guy for his word. There are always 2 sides to every story. So who knows. The guy be a huge d*ck and you're defending him.

The best part is she has to pay him back for the ammo! LOL!

LOVE IT!

 

Got me to do the dishes for my mom tonight lol.

Awesome parenting, some kids nowadays need a good kick to the head.

So who knows. The guy be a huge d*ck and you're defending him.

 

And the girl being a huge b1tch and you're defending her.

Your taking this guy for his word. There are always 2 sides to every story. So who knows. The guy be a huge d*ck and you're defending him.

 

Well when both parents say the girl is out of control SHE IS.

 

See the video where guy says "Oh yeah your mom told me to add one for her" .

 

So I guess the parents discussed among the Adults what the punishment should be and carried it out. Seems like a plan to me.

People are too sensitive today. I call it the pussification of America. You can't spank your kid. You can't yell at them. You can't shoot their computer and post it online. I mean, what can you do to discipline your children? There is a reason there is a disproportionately large amount of Americans and young Americans that lack respect these days.

As a parent myself I felt his pain. There is so much you can do just before you snap which he did and took it out on her computer. He had every right to do it and post it online. She used a public forum to embrass her parents so here is one right back at you. Every parent should watch this. Like someone said earlier you will never understand until you are a parent.

 

 

Well when both parents say the girl is out of control SHE IS.

 

See the video where guy says "Oh yeah your mom told me to add one for her" .

 

So I guess the parents discussed among the Adults what the punishment should be and carried it out. Seems like a plan to me.

 

I must have missed the part with the wife. I didn't see her on the video. Oh that's right once again your taking his word for the truth.

 

 

And the girl being a huge b1tch and you're defending her.

 

I never defended her. You all took this guys word for the truth and all I said there were 2 sides to every story. I have a hard time taking an adults word when he's shooting a laptop with a .45 like a reckless redneck fool.

As a parent myself I felt his pain. There is so much you can do just before you snap which he did and took it out on her computer. He had every right to do it and post it online. She used a public forum to embrass her parents so here is one right back at you. Every parent should watch this. Like someone said earlier you will never understand until you are a parent.

 

She posted it in a place where only her friends could read it. He hacked her account. He posted it for the world to see. Huge difference.

I must have missed the part with the wife. I didn't see her on the video. Oh that's right once again your taking his word for the truth.

 

Yep you missed it. Try listening at 7:42 in the video.

 

Wow you are deluded, what reason other than what he stated would he have for destroying a laptop?

I never defended her. You all took this guys word for the truth and all I said there were 2 sides to every story. I have a hard time taking an adults word when he's shooting a laptop with a .45 like a reckless redneck fool.

 

Would it have been better if he wacked it with a sledge hammer? Maybe drove over it with a car?

 

Why is shooting something you are willing to destroy, in the middle of a field, backed up by the ground, reckless?

 

 

Yep you missed it. Try listening at 7:42 in the video.

 

Wow you are deluded, what reason other than what he stated would he have for destroying a laptop?

 

So the wife was in the video? No, you're taking his word for it. The guy just came across as being a fool IMHO. Just my opinion. I have nothing wrong with the discipline...just the way he did it. No need to air that out for the whole world to see and on top of it he just lost any respect his daughter had left...if she even had any left. Her Facebook post was for her friends to see. What's the big deal? She bitched about her chores to her friends...you never did that when you were a kid? I just think the making the video took it too far and he'll never be ever to take it back since now it has apparently gone viral. Nothing wrong with discipline just don't think you need to act like a baby and broadcast it to the world to get your point across.

 

 

Would it have been better if he wacked it with a sledge hammer? Maybe drove over it with a car?

 

Why is shooting something you are willing to destroy, in the middle of a field, backed up by the ground, reckless?

 

So you don't think the anti-gun crowd will watch this and see it as a reckless use of a gun? I think if we want to change people's minds about guns the worst thing we can do is post a video showing us getting angry and destroying things with a .45. A video like this hurts our cause. It actually makes me angry because I try to be a responsible gun owner and this video makes it look like we just want to shoot sh*t when we get angry.

So you don't think the anti-gun crowd will watch this and see it as a reckless use of a gun? I think if we want to change people's minds about guns the worst thing we can do is post a video showing us getting angry and destroying things with a .45. A video like this hurts our cause. It actually makes me angry because I try to be a responsible gun owner and this video makes it look like we just want to shoot sh*t when we get angry.

 

You have to realize, he is not from the PR of NJ, most other states while aware of gun laws, as not at the heightened alert status that we are here in the NP of NJ. I am not saying this is normal for many places outside the PR of NJ, but it sure as heck may not be looked at in the same way people from the PR of NJ may see it.

 

Just pointing out, there is a free world out there that the public perception of gun owners is not as touchy a subject that it is here.

 

 

You have to realize, he is not from the PR of NJ, most other states while aware of gun laws, as not at the heightened alert status that we are here in the NP of NJ. I am not saying this is normal for many places outside the PR of NJ, but it sure as heck may not be looked at in the same way people from the PR of NJ may see it.

 

Just pointing out, there is a free world out there that the public perception of gun owners is not as touchy a subject that it is here.

 

The anti-gun crowd is everywhere and they'll see this as reckless. Would I like to pump a few rounds into my old computer? Of course I would. Would I film it and post it to add fuel to the fire? Probably not.

The anti-gun crowd is everywhere and they'll see this as reckless. Would I like to pump a few rounds into my old computer? Of course I would. Would I film it and post it to add fuel to the fire? Probably not.

 

I get ya, while the Anti is an Anti regardless of where they are from, the gun owner is not, we and a few other not so free states are more cognizant of how were are perceived vs gun owners in free states.

 

 

I get ya, while the Anti is an Anti regardless of where they are from, the gun owner is not, we and a few other not so free states are more cognizant of how were are perceived vs gun owners in free states.

 

I definitely understand what you're saying. I just believe we can change a lot of people's minds by being ambassadors and showing responsibility in gun ownership. I had a friend that was a huge AG guy. He flipped out when he found out that I bought a gun and threw a bunch of insults at me. I've kept my cool and explained my position every time the topic has come since then. He now sees it in a different light and really wants to go out shooting with me one day. We can change people's minds by being responsible. Getting all emotional on YouTube because your daughter posted something on Facebook and then pulling out your .45 and popping her computer doesn't really help the cause. (I'm not sticking up for this girl but if you hear what she posts it sounds like she has a lot more chores than he says she does...my point in getting involved in this is that there's 2 sides to every story and many take his word for the truth)

Waste of a perfectly good laptop. I'm all for disciplining the kid if she deserved it, but he could have just taken it away or sold it on ebay or something.

So the wife was in the video? No, you're taking his word for it. The guy just came across as being a fool IMHO.

Was the girl in the video? I guess we have to take his word for it that she exists too. The guy had no reason to make something like that up.

Well I guess you just gonna be in the VAST minority then, The place where this was posted had something like 5000 for 75 against.

 

Just my opinion. I have nothing wrong with the discipline...just the way he did it. No need to air that out for the whole world to see and on top of it he just lost any respect his daughter had left...if she even had any left.

 

Did you even watch/listen to the video? She obviously has no respect for her parents. Posting something like her rant on Facebook, and No nothing on the internet is private, was a huge show of PUBLIC disrect for her parents. Doing a few chores around the house is not too much to ask from anyone.

 

 

I just think the making the video took it too far and he'll never be ever to take it back since now it has apparently gone viral. Nothing wrong with discipline just don't think you need to act like a baby and broadcast it to the world to get your point across.

It probably embarrassed the hell out of her. Normal punishment didn't work so he took it to the next step. Why would he want to take it back? The girl now has an understanding of who is the boss in her house and

also how "private" the internet is.

 

The girl took a giant leap over the line. If I'd had voiced that kind of disrespect to my parents and they found out, first I wouldn't have sat for a week.

 

Your NJ is showing. The guy used a legal TOOL (the gun) in a safe way, to achieve an end. I guess it would have been ok if he just ran over it, or hit it with a sledge because those are acceptable tools.

Was the girl in the video? I guess we have to take his word for it that she exists too. The guy had no reason to make something like that up.

Well I guess you just gonna be in the VAST minority then, The place where this was posted had something like 5000 for 75 against.

 

 

 

Did you even watch/listen to the video? She obviously has no respect for her parents. Posting something like her rant on Facebook, and No nothing on the internet is private, was a huge show of PUBLIC disrect for her parents. Doing a few chores around the house is not too much to ask from anyone.

 

 

 

It probably embarrassed the hell out of her. Normal punishment didn't work so he took it to the next step. Why would he want to take it back? The girl now has an understanding of who is the boss in her house and

also how "private" the internet is.

 

The girl took a giant leap over the line. If I'd had voiced that kind of disrespect to my parents and they found out, first I wouldn't have sat for a week.

 

Your NJ is showing. The guy used a legal TOOL (the gun) in a safe way, to achieve an end. I guess it would have been ok if he just ran over it, or hit it with a sledge because those are acceptable tools.

 

I guess since I'm in the minority I must be wrong haha...the guy rubbed me the wrong way and I feel he's an @sshole...sorry if you don't like my opinion. Just because people agree doesn't mean they'd do it. Would you have reacted the same way? I'm not against what he did just don't think he should've posted it on youtube. He should have probably confronted her at home and did it in front of her...more impact then what he did which did nothing to help his cause. I'm sure he'll have no idea why his daughter takes off with the first guy she meets at 18 and he never sees her again. You know why his child is out of control judging by the way he reacts to a situation. He IS the adult isn't he?

Again you never vented to your friends about your parents? The facebook post is the sign of the times and kids don't realize what they're doing on facebook and how permanent and public it is. I think the point of the post was something pissed her off (like when she said she just cleaned the floor and he tracked mud all over it and demanded she clean it again) and she made a bad choice...he should've used it as a discipline and teaching moment and not aired it to the world. All he did was push her further away.

 

This also was a video posted by a guy who claims when he was her age (15) he "moved out of the house, lived on his own, went to college...while in high school (?), worked two jobs, and was a volunteer fireman, and still went to school" (starting at 4:42 in the video) Yeah he definitely sounds like an honest rational person.

Mark I think you make a good observation about the father... why post it on youtube? If the point is to discipline your daughter and teach her a lesson do it in front of her. Part of me thinks he just wanted some attention and saw an opportunity to get it.

This whole video & backstory is 100% bool-schitt.

Note> -IMO-

As to whether it truly was extreme or awesome parenting in this situation is unknown. I have my opinions which I will get to, but in truth the only measure is what was the outcome. If they and their daughter became closer because of it and they mended their fences and opened a dialog, then it did succeed and it was awesome. On the other hand, if their daughter became totally alienated from them then it failed and may have been extreme. I say "may have" because it could be that there was nothing they could have done, extreme or otherwise, that may have changed their daughters view towards them or their relationship. We just don't know.

 

I was a teen once and I am a parent of grown and teenage children. Personally, I liked the video. I know where he's coming from. He is hurt and totally amazed by his daughters true feelings. I mean most teens (not all) grumble about doing any kind of chore, but she spoke of them like they were trash and lazy slobs. Maybe it's be true, but probably not. In my experience most teens are prone to exaggerate when they are trying to make a point. Why? Because at their age they are trying to become an individual, or what they believe to be an adult. One way they do this, is for them to be their own person which means seperating themselves from their parents and this is where conflict can originate. If the parent says "left" the teen says "right". They tend to think that if they are like their parents then they are not themsleves and therefore are not individuals. This obsession with themselves can lead to a streak of selfishness which they are oft times unable to see. Yet knowing this as a parent does not shield you from the hurt or frustration you may experience.

 

The father could have chosen a different way to try and get his message across, but he didn't do anything illegal. I think that he was at his wits end with this girl. IMO He tried everything he could think of and even reached the point where he grounded her for 3 months (wow, that's a long time.) But that didn't seem to correct her attitude, she only resented her parents authority. If she thinks her parents aren't fair wait till she get's out in the real world. How will she deal with real disappointment or lack of fairness?

 

Why did he post a video on facebook as opposed to confronting his daughter privately? My guess would be, that while on her facebook page he also had the to opportunity to read the comments of her friends regarding her post. I can imagine what their comments must have been. (the parents probably knew some of these kids as well) I think the father felt that he had to set the record straight and to let everyone know that they were not the ogres their daughter portrayed them to be. I don't think the father knew that the video would be lifted off facebook and become viral.

 

The main reason I think the video went viral was because of the .45. If the video ended where the father said, now I am taking your laptop away, the end. I don't think it would have been as big an issue. I think the thing that disturbs most people (even some gun owners) is the discharging of a weapon by someone just to make a statement. You have to be careful of your motivation and intent. You don't want to be viewed as a careless or angry person with a gun or anything that can be construed as such.

 

Why did he choose to shoot the lap top... Once again I think it reveals his utter frustration with dealing with his/their daughter. There are many things he could have done and there may have been many things he has already done, but nothing seemed to work. He probably thought it was extreme himself, but figured desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

In summary, parenting should be left to the parents not to the government or the community at large. We all make mistakes, have times of poor judgement etc. and if all of us had to have our parenting skills analyzed, we would be deficient in some way. Personally I think his video was something many parents can identify with. -I will now step down off my soapbox.