no prob, now sell me that eotech cheap! haha

you know i probably would have budgeted for that eotech if i didn't drop $300 on bullets and range time. smh

I usually wear my bullet proof vest at the range for fear of new shooters...

I don't see any problem here at all. Like Old School, I don't enjoy being sewpt either. That's why I joined THREE private Clubs. I have NO NEED to even think about going to these commercial places where newbies without any common sense uncase guns behind the firing line! All of these ranges have rules on signage for a reason. Problem is that nobody spends the time to read the signs since they're "on the clock" money wise for their range time. Pull stupid crap like this at a private club and if you do it enough, you'll get thrown the hell out! So quit your pissing & moaning, MAN-UP and don't do it again.

 

Sure Shot has plenty of business. The waiting times speak for themselves. They don't need the OP's business, or anyone else's on this forum who uncases or starts to uncase behind the firing line. PERIOD!

 

I'm not interested in how you feel about what a R-O said or how they said it. The R-O's job is to keep everybody alive, NOT make friends, and the quicker some of the members of this Forum realize that, the better behaved we as a group will become! And that line that was written about stress almost reads as a possible threat to me. Just another reason why I don't want to shoot next to you.

Brick armory has stands in the back and a table to take your guns out and stage them. They simply have a rule that the shelf in the port can not be used as a rifle rest. I have never been muzzle swept there even though the guns are taken out before entering the port. You simply keep the muzzle pointed towards the ceiling and Ur not gunna have that problem.

 

I have to seriously disagree! I have been muzzle swept so many times at brick Armory that i refuse to enter the store! I have even been muzzle swept out in the store! By people who walk in with a gun case, open it up in the store on the floor in front of the counter and then sweep the room before showing it to the guy behind the counter. I was not alone, there were other forum members present (I think it was 67GTOnut) when this happened!

im just saying i never have at the range. I do know if I am having my glock cleaned or wanna have something looked at they take me into the range with my cased weapon we clear it out there and then take it inside, and then check it again in a safe direction. I just dont understand why in ss they make u put ur rifle case on the ground inside the 3 foot port and expect you to shoot. that eats up alot of space.

My second time at BA two girls rented handguns, went inside, went through their box of 50 rounds, walk back into the showroom area carrying the handguns in their hands, trigger finger still on the trigger, asking to try different guns. I thought maybe these two wanted to hold-up the place..............

 

PS: They did have the courtesy of pointing them at a 45* angle down, which just happened to be my feet, legs, and groin as they walked past.

My second time at BA two girls rented handguns, went inside, went through their box of 50 rounds, walk back into the showroom area carrying the handguns in their hands, trigger finger still on the trigger, asking to try different guns. I thought maybe these two wanted to hold-up the place..............

 

PS: They did have the courtesy of pointing them at a 45* angle down, which just happened to be my feet, legs, and groin as they walked past.

 

Now that is scary. I never rented guns. Don't they give you a plastic box or container to transport them to the port?

 

 

Now that is scary. I never rented guns. Don't they give you a plastic box or container to transport them to the port?

 

Not ba, ss does though

Signs are for SMART PEOPLE! BUT YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID! (thanks Ron White)

 

Just yet another example of why I won't go to these places! SCARY!

My second time at BA two girls rented handguns, went inside, went through their box of 50 rounds, walk back into the showroom area carrying the handguns in their hands, trigger finger still on the trigger, asking to try different guns. I thought maybe these two wanted to hold-up the place.............. PS: They did have the courtesy of pointing them at a 45* angle down, which just happened to be my feet, legs, and groin as they walked past.

Oouch that just hurts thinking about!!

I don't see any problem here at all. Like Old School, I don't enjoy being sewpt either. That's why I joined THREE private Clubs. I have NO NEED to even think about going to these commercial places where newbies without any common sense uncase guns behind the firing line! All of these ranges have rules on signage for a reason. Problem is that nobody spends the time to read the signs since they're "on the clock" money wise for their range time. Pull stupid crap like this at a private club and if you do it enough, you'll get thrown the hell out! So quit your pissing & moaning, MAN-UP and don't do it again.

 

Sure Shot has plenty of business. The waiting times speak for themselves. They don't need the OP's business, or anyone else's on this forum who uncases or starts to uncase behind the firing line. PERIOD!

 

I'm not interested in how you feel about what a R-O said or how they said it. The R-O's job is to keep everybody alive, NOT make friends, and the quicker some of the members of this Forum realize that, the better behaved we as a group will become! And that line that was written about stress almost reads as a possible threat to me. Just another reason why I don't want to shoot next to you.

well like i said, if there more r.o. like that, they will not have the same kind of business. shooting range or not, its a business. And if you read carefully, it was a general statement that applies everywhere not just at a range.

I just dont understand why in ss they make u put ur rifle case on the ground inside the 3 foot port and expect you to shoot. that eats up alot of space.

 

You don't have to leave the case in the booth. After taking out the gun put the empty case wherever you like. You can leave cased guns back on the tables. You just can't walk around the range with an uncased gun.

You don't have to leave the case in the booth. After taking out the gun put the empty case wherever you like. You can leave cased guns back on the tables. You just can't walk around the range with an uncased gun.

 

That's what I do! I put my empty cases back on one of the tables. If i want to switch, I case the gun at the port and swap it with another and un-case in the port. I never understood that rifle rack at ba? Seems like they are just asking for trouble?

also, just keep in mind that people shoot there guns to release stress. so tick off the wrong person( with a gun and ammo) at the wrong time and now you've compromised the whole building.

 

 

If you really think this, I would reconsider owning firearms..

You don't have to leave the case in the booth. After taking out the gun put the empty case wherever you like. You can leave cased guns back on the tables. You just can't walk around the range with an uncased gun.

 

That means you have to stop, think, and use common sense and do something with safety in mind WHILE you're ON THE CLOCK! Aren't you asking a little too much from people who would rub their quarters until the Eagle would fly off, lol? (sarcasm off)

If you really think this, I would reconsider owning firearms..

don't think that everyone who has guns are mentally stable. don't be oblivious and don't be caught in a magical world of friendly's. i for one will watch what i say and watch how i treat a person with an armed weapon or any person in general. real talk

That means you have to stop, think, and use common sense and do something with safety in mind WHILE you're ON THE CLOCK! Aren't you asking a little too much from people who would rub their quarters until the Eagle would fly off, lol? (sarcasm off)

 

Yeah silly me.

don't think that everyone who has guns are mentally stable. don't be oblivious and don't be caught in a magical world of friendly's. i for one will watch what i say and watch how i treat a person with an armed weapon or any person in general. real talk

 

I have been around the block a time or 2, so no need to tell me, but I still have a problem with the way you put that the first time. Maybe you didn't think about what you wrote or how it will be taken, as well as how your writing in your response to me. Now I don't know, but the wording you're using is starting to make me think you're another Troll with another reason to be here other than talk guns.

I admit I actually made the same mistake at Shoreshot but it was with my air rifle.

Granted that shouldn't make a difference so no excuses. I just didn't know better

at the time. The RO approached me very kindly and explained the rules. I did

not feel offended in the least, but again that was my personal experience. When

it comes to gun safety I do believe it is OK to be a little harsh. Only because it's

not like you're asking someone to put out a cigarette indoors. It can literally be a

life or death situation and I feel guns should always be treated with that level of

awareness and respect.

If you really think this, I would reconsider owning firearms..

well since you made this statement preceding mine, this makes you the troll.if you don't like the subject or statement stop trolling my posts. don't think because you have all these memberships it makes you superior. your right theres no glory in fighting an old geezer so i apologize. mods please close

 

btw, i pay my njgf fees too

I admit I actually made the same mistake at Shoreshot but it was with my air rifle.

Granted that shouldn't make a difference so no excuses. I just didn't know better

at the time. The RO approached me very kindly and explained the rules. I did

not feel offended in the least, but again that was my personal experience. When

it comes to gun safety I do believe it is OK to be a little harsh. Only because it's

not like you're asking someone to put out a cigarette indoors. It can literally be a

life or death situation and I feel guns should always be treated with that level of

awareness and respect.

 

guns and people should yes.

Sure if someone breaks the rules they should be talked to. If they make a mistake it can be taken care of. However the last thing you want to do is yell at someone because they broke the "rules". There are certain times that you have to yell, but having people skills is part of being a "Range Officer". Some people like the "POWER" that comes with the position.

Sure if someone breaks the rules they should be talked to. If they make a mistake it can be taken care of. However the last thing you want to do is yell at someone because they broke the "rules". There are certain times that you have to yell, but having people skills is part of being a "Range Officer". Some people like the "POWER" that comes with the position.

 

blksheep, this isn't meant to be aimed at you or anyone in specific. Just an observation from what some of you may consider an old fudd, lol!

 

I agree completely with the statement that I made BOLD. During live fire at a hot indoor range a R-O that's several ports away from you doesn't know IF you're wearing the latest electronic noise-cancelling ear muffs ( and thus can follow range commands from across the facility at a mere instant) or a $20.00 POS with ear plugs installed underneath to suppress rifle and shotgun fire. What may appear as someone yelling could simply be the necessary volume to gain the shooter's attention over the live fire in the nearest lanes. I have seen this myself!

 

When it comes to making sure that the violator of the Safety Rules can hear and immediately obey (for everyone's safety) I always give the benefit of the doubt to the R-O. There's a nice way of increasing your volume on the line and a not-so-nice way, with some attitude. In general, most of the R-O's that I've encountered over the 40+ years I've been shooting have been gentlemen and ladies, with good people skills. In general, most shooters are likewise kind, considerate folk who only need a GENTLE reminder to obey common range rules. There are some though that will create a stir at a range, and then only appologize to US on this Forum, after some of US point out the mistake(s) made instead of to all of the others that they may have put in jeopardy, including the R-O.

 

We as a group never see a thread that says, "I really screwed the pooch" and I deserved what I got. They always seem to start-out with "My feelings got hurt because I got yelled at".

 

IMHO shooters need to lighten-up a bit and take a deep breath BEFORE they run to their computers to tell the world how somebody mistreated them. We live in what seems like an instantaneous electronic toy society. We can't even leave our toys (4G phones) in the car, and have to bring them into an area where we can't talk on them. And then we text with them while pissing and moaning about how much the bullets or the range time costs us, instead of shooting the darn guns while we're on-the-clock! And yes, I've seen it with my own two eyes! The public doesn't need any more distractions while in a shooting lane, so please read the rules in a range, and if you have a question or don't understand something, ASK the personell running the facility BEFORE you "screw the pooch".

 

Everybody should read the rules and understand them PRIOR to touching a gun. Maybe it's time to read the signage first instead of bellying up to the glass cases to drool all over them.......

 

Dave

NRA RSO

Certified Firearms Instructor

blksheep, this isn't meant to be aimed at you or anyone in specific. Just an observation from what some of you may consider an old fudd, lol!

 

I agree completely with the statement that I made BOLD. During live fire at a hot indoor range a R-O that's several ports away from you doesn't know IF you're wearing the latest electronic noise-cancelling ear muffs ( and thus can follow range commands from across the facility at a mere instant) or a $20.00 POS with ear plugs installed underneath to suppress rifle and shotgun fire. What may appear as someone yelling could simply be the necessary volume to gain the shooter's attention over the live fire in the nearest lanes. I have seen this myself!

 

When it comes to making sure that the violator of the Safety Rules can hear and immediately obey (for everyone's safety) I always give the benefit of the doubt to the R-O. There's a nice way of increasing your volume on the line and a not-so-nice way, with some attitude. In general, most of the R-O's that I've encountered over the 40+ years I've been shooting have been gentlemen and ladies, with good people skills. In general, most shooters are likewise kind, considerate folk who only need a GENTLE reminder to obey common range rules. There are some though that will create a stir at a range, and then only appologize to US on this Forum, after some of US point out the mistake(s) made instead of to all of the others that they may have put in jeopardy, including the R-O.

 

We as a group never see a thread that says, "I really screwed the pooch" and I deserved what I got. They always seem to start-out with "My feelings got hurt because I got yelled at".

 

IMHO shooters need to lighten-up a bit and take a deep breath BEFORE they run to their computers to tell the world how somebody mistreated them. We live in what seems like an instantaneous electronic toy society. We can't even leave our toys (4G phones) in the car, and have to bring them into an area where we can't talk on them. And then we text with them while pissing and moaning about how much the bullets or the range time costs us, instead of shooting the darn guns while we're on-the-clock! And yes, I've seen it with my own two eyes! The public doesn't need any more distractions while in a shooting lane, so please read the rules in a range, and if you have a question or don't understand something, ASK the personell running the facility BEFORE you "screw the pooch".

 

Everybody should read the rules and understand them PRIOR to touching a gun. Maybe it's time to read the signage first instead of bellying up to the glass cases to drool all over them.......

 

Dave

NRA RSO

Certified Firearms Instructor

As a newer shooter I was deathly afraid of doing something stupid or worse even after taking the NRA course and was lucky enough to encounter 2 firm but patient RO's in my early days at the range.I read all the rules online and in store,followed the cardinal rules of firearm handling and took it slow,asked questions when I needed to....But rarely....very rarely I appreciated a focused and firm reminder that I'm a noob and a mistake is one mistake too many.

Some egos can't handle that and we see this on NJGF constantly,the ability to put aside pride and bluster in favor of safety seems hard to come by at times.

well since you made this statement preceding mine, this makes you the troll.if you don't like the subject or statement stop trolling my posts. don't think because you have all these memberships it makes you superior. your right theres no glory in fighting an old geezer so i apologize. mods please close

 

btw, i pay my njgf fees too

 

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As a newer shooter I was deathly afraid of doing something stupid or worse even after taking the NRA course and was lucky enough to encounter 2 firm but patient RO's in my early days at the range.I read all the rules online and in store,followed the cardinal rules of firearm handling and took it slow,asked questions when I needed to....But rarely....very rarely I appreciated a focused and firm reminder that I'm a noob and a mistake is one mistake too many.

Some egos can't handle that and we see this on NJGF constantly,the ability to put aside pride and bluster in favor of safety seems hard to come by at times.

 

 

 

That's EXACTLY my point! Thread after thread of Cry-babies lamenting how much of an A-hole the R-O was for "yelling at them". But they bring this criticism upon themselves through THEIR ACTIONS!

 

With all of the stupid laws on firearms that we have to put up with here in NJ there still isn't one that prevents Schmucks from renting guns at a public range and sweeping everybody in the place. We have to police ourselves or the problem children will eventually screw the pooch bad enough to get a range or two closed altogether........

I had something similiar to this happen to me at BH when I first bought my XD. I was in the long line behind the table and asked if it was okay to load my mags. RO said alright and I grabbed my soft case, unzipped and removed the mags including the one in the gun. The second the RO saw me he ran over and yelled at me. I didn't get all pissed because I knew he was right and was trying to keep things safe. It was a momentary lapse in my judgement and he made sure I never made that mistake again. Guess what? I still haven't made that mistake again. The second someone gets careless is when mistakes happen and unfortunately with firearms these little mistakes can have huge consequences. Chalk it up as a learning experience and don't do it again and I'm sure you won't get yelled at.

Some places with 2 ROs are better cause they can keep eyes on more shooters, especially when it's crowded.

I know I don't want to get accidentally shot.