I just started carrying my cm9 in a holster that attaches under my duty shirt to my vest. I forget the gun is there sometimes

 

 

Nice try. Not forget like that

 

 

Which is how someone can forget they have a gun on them when they go to the airport.

 

LOL I was thinking the same when I first read that.

Ooh.. You two are just so witty. You got me. Yup I actually do forget I have a gun on me all the time. It happens. I'm just so forgetful when I walk into central booking and dont hand over my backup weapon that we all just laugh about my forgetfulness.

Taurus 709 slim

 

So what did ya end up getting?

I'm curious too as I have a nice little Taurus pocket .357 for sale in the marketplace.

 

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springfield xds?

I have an xds ....bought it as a warm weather/dress clothes replacement for my officers 1911.... Looking/handling it in the store it looked a lot smaller thinner than the my 1911... But for me it's still too big for pants pocket carry .... It will fit but looks like I have a brick in my pocket( I am average sized and wear normal jeans neither "skinny" jeans or "baggy thug" style)....in the end I made a crossbreed style holster for it.... Leaving me with a barely lighter/smaller iwb striker fired option than my 1911 lol

 

Edit: my post is not referring to actions in NJ .....I work and own a business outside of nj and enjoy these freedoms of America up until crossing the bridge back into P.R. Of NJ to sleep lol

I had a garage sale today and wound up with about $500 cash on me by the end of the day. I had my S&W Bodyguard 380 in my right front pocket all day and almost kept forgetting it was there. I dumped my keys on it one time and nearly walked off my property to retrieve the signs I put up earlier this morning, I only realized it was there when I went to hang my hammer off my pocket. It is almost the perfect pocket gun except for the fact that it is only a .380. It does not pattern at all and fully loaded it is actually lighter than my wallet. The best sub $400 gun purchase I have ever made. OK I lied, My mid-'80s S&W new/old stock 4" Model 66 for $350 was my best, the BG 380 is my second best.

is cc on your own property legal in nj?...i thought it was only legal to "open carry" without the unobtainable by mere mortals ccdw permit in nj...?

is cc on your own property legal in nj?...i thought it was only legal to "open carry" without the unobtainable by mere mortals ccdw permit in nj...?

 

Bumping this question, I'm curious myself..

 

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is cc on your own property legal in nj?...i thought it was only legal to "open carry" without the unobtainable by mere mortals ccdw permit in nj...?

 

The exemptions permit you to carry on your property, it does not specify how you carry.

Recently I bought a S&W Bodyguard 380 and it is an incredible pocket pistol. If you can't get over the .380 my favorite sub compact 9mm has always been the Kahr Mk9.

 

S&W Bodyguard 380

 

 

 

 

 

BG 380 and Hornady CD ammo is what I carry when outside the PR of NJ. Great little gun and like you found out, it's a damn fine shooter.

 

 

BG 380 and Hornady CD ammo is what I carry when outside the PR of NJ. Great little gun and like you found out, it's a damn fine shooter.

 

If you are outside of NJ and can carry anything you want, why in the world would you limit yourself to a pocket gun in .380?

If you are outside of NJ and can carry anything you want, why in the world would you limit yourself to a pocket gun in .380?

 

Because the gun you carry is >>>>>> than the gun you won't carry.

 

Ruger LCP 9.4 oz unloaded

 

Ruger XD sub-compact 40 26oz unloaded

 

From a weight standpoint alone...

Yeah, I know that any gun is better than no gun. My question is, why make the "any" gun sub standard. Does anyone really shoot a Bodyguard .380 better than a full size .357, 9mm, .40, .45? Why trust a caliber that has documented penetration and underperformance issues to save your life?

 

If a pound and a half is keeping you from carrying a better gun, go to the gym, buy a better holster, and get a proper gun belt.

 

I regularly pull full size guns off of gang members and the like. Why are the good guys carrying nothing but a .380 pocket gun?

 

You should carry the gun that you shoot the best and are still able to conceal. Comforting vs comfort and all that.

 

I carry a G22 or G23 with a G27 or Kahr PM9 as a backup everyday. I don't see the issue...

I carry a G22 or G23 with a G27 or Kahr PM9 as a backup everyday. I don't see the issue...

 

Some people have physical issues, others are of the opinion that their ccw piece is a last resort and they are not Joe Cowboy riding in to save the day but carrying merely to protect their own butt if the situation goes titsup and they will act only when absolutely necessary and therefore don't need a belt fed superior caliber weapon.

 

Just saying.

Since purchasing the BG380 I have read many reviews, mostly all positive. The weapon has been approved by LAPD as an off-duty weapon which in my eyes gives merit to the quality of the little pistol. Overall, I wouldn't want to be caught in an extended gun fight with it but for doodling around the house it is the perfect oh shit gun to have handy in a pinch.

 

 

Some people have physical issues, others are of the opinion that their ccw piece is a last resort and they are not Joe Cowboy riding in to save the day but carrying merely to protect their own butt if the situation goes titsup and they will act only when absolutely necessary and therefore don't need a belt fed superior caliber weapon.

 

Just saying.

 

You can just say all you want but I personally don't aspire to mediocrity. If shit goes awry, I want to be able to handle it quickly and decisively. I am not saying everyone should carry a Mk19. I am saying that if you are going to carry a weapon for self defense against 2 legged predators, make sure the weapon is up to the task. Why carry at all of you are unsure your roscoe will do the job when called upon?

Why carry at all of you are unsure your roscoe will do the job when called upon?

 

Isn't this really a moot point? You're arguing first of all from a LEO perspective. Second, 99% of us can't carry in this state anyway. Third, time and time again studies show shot placement is more important than caliber. David slew Goliath with a small stone from the river after casting off the armor and sword of the king. How did he do that? Oh Yeah, shot placement. It mattered 6000 yrs ago, it still matters today.

It is most definitely not moot.

 

First, I was responding to a remark about a member carrying in PA.

 

Second, while I carry at work, I also carry the same 2 guns concealed off duty. NJ, PA,whatever, carrying is carrying.

 

Third, I agree 100000% about shot placement. But... you need to be able to hit what you are aiming at. The smaller a gun gets, the harder this part of the problem becomes.

 

More importantly, most people forget that shot placement is 3 dimensional. It has to hit a portion of of the body and then penetrate far enough to get to the good parts. The .380 ACP cartridge (especially hollow points) are notorious for not penetrating deep enough to do the damage required to stop an encounter where DPF would be appropriate.

 

Oh, also David had the hand of God assisting him. Didn't realize you were on such good terms with the big guy.

 

Seriously though, really, David and Goliath is your justification for carrying a sub caliber?

Seriously though, really, David and Goliath is your justification for carrying a sub caliber?

 

He protected the shepherd boy, why not me?

When I'm not in NJ, I carry my P238 Gambler with Hornady Critical Defense ammo...No it's not in my pocket. Crossbreed MiniTuck!

 

Yes I have a XD9, but I choose to take the 380. It's more comfortable to conceal. A lot of people argue about the SA crap. I say if you are comfortable, carry it.

 

 

 

He protected the shepherd boy, why not me?

 

Are you gonna bring your sling to protect him? What caliber was the rock in the sling? Pea gravel, basebal sized, a cobble? Sorry, cheap shot. Apologies.

 

I know what you are saying, but you are getting a little silly. You are stating that you are basing your choice of carry peice to protect yourself and the lives of your loved ones on a story written 2000 years ago that may or may not be true. Ummmm... OK. I have protected quite a few from all kinds of Goliaths. Never once did I feel I had too much gun on my hip. I have felt under gunned quite a few times though.

 

More importantly, I like how you repeatedly ignore the reason and logic and respond to the esoteric.

 

 

When I'm not in NJ, I carry my P238 Gambler with Hornady Critical Defense ammo...No it's not in my pocket. Crossbreed MiniTuck!

 

Yes I have a XD9, but I choose to take the 380. It's more comfortable to conceal. A lot of people argue about the SA crap. I say if you are comfortable, carry it.

 

Your SD piece should be comforting not comfortable. It is easy to dress around your gun. I am 5'6" and weigh 175. I can make my G22 disappear in shorts in a Tshirt comfortably with the right holster and belt.

Your SD piece should be comforting not comfortable. It is easy to dress around your gun. I am 5'6" and weigh 175. I can make my G22 disappear in shorts in a Tshirt comfortably with the right holster and belt.

 

Im 6'1 280. I can make both my XD9 and my P238 disappear. What is your point?

My point is you should be carrying the gun you shoot the best with the most effective ammo you can.

 

You stated the set gun was more "comfortable" to carry. If it is uncomfortable, you are doing something wrong.

 

 

My point is you should be carrying the gun you shoot the best with the most effective ammo you can.

 

You stated the set gun was more "comfortable" to carry. If it is uncomfortable, you are doing something wrong.

 

I can shoot just as effective with either gun. Now are you trying to start a 9mm vs .380 argument? (please don't say you want to beat this dead horse anymore.)

It is true, I am not a fan of the .380 ACP as a self defense cartridge in your primary carry gun. But, I am not starting a .380 vs Anything.

 

I just think that it is silly too limit yourself to a small gun that is hard to shoot in a caliber with a notoriously bad record for stopping fights because it is more "comfortable"

 

 

It is true, I am not a fan of the .380 ACP as a self defense cartridge in your primary carry gun. But, I am not starting a .380 vs Anything.

 

I just think that it is silly too limit yourself to a small gun that is hard to shoot in a caliber with a notoriously bad record for stopping fights because it is more "comfortable"

 

This is a broad statement. Just because one finds a small gun hard to shoot, doesn't mean another can. A gun is like an ugly woman. YOU may think she is hideous, and want no part, but someone else may find her attractive.

 

Same with a gun. One may find a gun hard to handle, while another is completely comfortable with it. You need to be comfortable with YOUR gun.

 

With that said, then it falls back to the ammo it holds.

 

I found this video interesting

 

My point is you should be carrying the gun you shoot the best with the most effective ammo you can.

 

I hate to be the guy that quotes himself, but there it is. This is my position.

 

I didn't care if a particular gun is hard or easy to shoot to the person carrying it. I shoot my LCP .380 good enough, for a third gun. I don't shoot it anywhere near as well as I shoot my G22 or G35, or even the PM9 or G27 that I carry as a BUG.

 

Look, I see a lot of shooters. I have yet to meet one that can shoot a Bodyguard/LCP/J Frame sized gun in any caliber whether it is .38, .357, .380, .32, .25 , .22 etc... more accurately and faster than a G23/M&PC/SR9/K frame sized or bigger gun. If you can, then good on you bro. Rock on!

 

When your life or the life of a loved one is on the line, is being able to shoot the gun you are carrying because it is more comfortable to carry "good enough" really good enough?