Exactly. This is why I cant get 5.7x28 anywhere! Any law enforcement agency that uses the FNH can get it with minimal difficulty. Hopefully someone other than fiocchi will start making this caliber. Rumor has it that american eagle (federal) is going to.

Ken

 

Federal 5.7 is already advertised for sale. Albeit backordered from most retailers like the rest of the caliber. Cabelas had AE 5.7 on their site

I get my ammo from a shop in PA, it's a physical store you can go and buy from, on avg. i save about 100bucks per 1k rnds of 9mm, and about 150 per 1k of 5.56 compared locally. Personally, these places rip us off. They don't need to make 5 bucks on every 50rnds of 9mm, that's a 30% markup from what i pay at another store, let alone what they get it for and mark it up to. IMO you price things to sell, these places could make a potential killing if the ammo is priced to sell.

What's the store's name?

Exactly. This is why I cant get 5.7x28 anywhere! Any law enforcement agency that uses the FNH can get it with minimal difficulty. Hopefully someone other than fiocchi will start making this caliber. Rumor has it that american eagle (federal) is going to.

Ken

 

Are a lot of law enforcement using 5.7x28. Not trying to bust balls but I am curious. I would thing LE uses .40 then 9mm then .45 in order of being used most. I just dont see LE using 5.7 Being a high velocity small diameter round I would think there would be a risk of overpenatration.

Exactly. This is why I cant get 5.7x28 anywhere! Any law enforcement agency that uses the FNH can get it with minimal difficulty. Hopefully someone other than fiocchi will start making this caliber. Rumor has it that american eagle (federal) is going to.

Ken

 

The ammunition they use isnt the same as available openly as it is because of the Armor-defeating capability.... Even so if any NJLE agencies are using 5.7 they're probably getting it through Lawmen or one of the other Distributors, not a retail shop.

So speaking of 5.7, found out something interesting.

 

Was at Range 702 and spoke with one the managers there. Fiochi or S&B is opening up a plant in Nevada, in any case, they do produce 5.7 ammo, however they cannot sell it in their own branding due to contracts with FNH, so most of their production goes to them.

 

The range barely had enough to keep up with the rentals of 5.7

This is #2 reason I've avoided buying anything in 5.7 so far..between the Mag capacity problem, and the dependence on VERY few producers for ammo, plus the fact that We can't even SBR it here in the People's Republic in the case of the PS-90, IMO it just isnt worth the effort.

I get the issue with the store front and if we don't support the local shops we will lose them. And I do overpay occasionally to get something from local shops.

 

Last year i got 4 p226 mags for $22 each. A few weeks later I went to effingers and paid over $50 for a p229 sct mag with the anti friction coating and extended magazine.

 

This past month I got 500 rds of 9mm NATO from sg and 500 from bullseye. The sg was $14 with shipping. Bullseye $17 plus tax. 20 rds of 9mm gold dots were more expensive per box than I paid for 50rd 357 sig gold dots.

 

When I first got my 357sig I went local to find ammo. Best price was $31. So I got two boxes. Then I ordered online for $17 a box and ordered 15.

 

These aren't small markups. I figure I've spent a few hundred dollars supporting the local guys. It's just getting harder and harder to do so. I just noticed that bullseye has 9mm NATO case (10boxes) for $160. Not much of a sale but still $10 less than I paid a few weeks back. I'm tempted to pick up a case. But I don't need it and i don't know how much I can keep spending to support the little guy. I can join nj2as for the savings. It's cheaper than a back waxing I hear

I'd get a 5.7 pistol and a ps90 if I could sbr it. And use standard magazines. Otherwise not interested.

went to brick armory this evening to try out my new (to me) kimber and was pleasantly surprised to see they had federal hst .45 jhp on sale for $24.50/box. that is cheaper than anywhere online even after the tax (that i can find)

 

thinking of going back tomorrow to get a couple more boxes...

 

i know that this is the exception and not the norm, but the good deals are out there at the mom and pop shops...

 

 

on a completely unrelated note, it is now difficult for me to shoot my xd bc the trigger is such a piece of sh*t in comparison lol

went to brick armory this evening to try out my new (to me) kimber and was pleasantly surprised to see they had federal hst .45 jhp on sale for $24.50/box. that is cheaper than anywhere online even after the tax (that i can find)

 

thinking of going back tomorrow to get a couple more boxes...

 

i know that this is the exception and not the norm, but the good deals are out there at the mom and pop shops...

 

 

on a completely unrelated note, it is now difficult for me to shoot my xd bc the trigger is such a piece of sh*t in comparison lol

 

You really can't look at it in that way, they function differently, so comparing them doesnt work. because of the way the Trigger on a Strik-erfired pistol works, it HAS to have more creep and slop than a traditional Hammer/Sear type.

You really can't look at it in that way, they function differently, so comparing them doesnt work. because of the way the Trigger on a Strik-erfired pistol works, it HAS to have more creep and slop than a traditional Hammer/Sear type.

 

my basis for that comment was this - i have owned the xd for a couple of years, shot roughly ~800 rds through it, and i have always found it difficult to get good groups from it. i do not own a lot of pistols, so i thought that it was due mostly to the size of the round (.45 has a decent recoil on the xd) which made follow up shots more difficult. combine the recoil with a lack of formal training and it made sense (to me) i was making ~7" groups at the first red line (7yds?). I never thought it was the trigger.

 

fast forward to this evening...I arrive at the range with 8 loaded mags, and a freshly cleaned kimber. first mag i shoot slowly, getting used to the sights and feel of the gun, as a single stack is new to me. all 7 rds were within the 3" range and i noticed an immediate difference in being able to keep the weapon on target.

 

all subsequent mags were within a 2" group at 7 yds and it just felt natural to shoot.

 

i switched back to my xd to try out the federal hst ammo in it and immediately felt the difference in the trigger. i was still unable to shoot the same kind of groups even when taking time between shots. i looked online and it seems as if a few companies make trigger kits to improve upon the stock version. im gona make a thread to see if anyone has experience with them.

 

it could also be the that a 1911 style trigger is just more comfortable for me, i don't have enough experience in this area to know yet.

 

 

don't mean to hijack the thread - important point is that Brick Armory has a good deal on .45 sd ammo lol

That XD can gets trigger job. My XD SC has no creep and a very quick reset with overtavel stop. This is with a 4 pound pull..Confirmed 4 pounds....My XD is phenomenal and I switch back to 1911s with no problems. Send it back to SA and get a trigger job. Power River Precision worked on mine for a work over but it is worth it.....

 

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i switched back to my xd to try out the federal hst ammo in it and immediately felt the difference in the trigger. i was still unable to shoot the same kind of groups even when taking time between shots. i looked online and it seems as if a few companies make trigger kits to improve upon the stock version. im gona make a thread to see if anyone has experience with them.

 

That XD can gets trigger job. My XD SC has no creep and a very quick reset with overtavel stop. This is with a 4 pound pull..Confirmed 4 pounds....My XD is phenomenal and I switch back to 1911s with no problems. Send it back to SA and get a trigger job. Power River Precision worked on mine for a work over but it is worth it.....

 

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "for a work over" but if you want to do a trigger job on an XD, Powder River Precision is the best choice you could make. For ~$100 the trigger is amazing compared to stock. Check out the XD forum to verify this, the guys on there led me to PRP.

 

And you don't have to send it to them, it is fairly simply to replace the trigger yourself. I did mine in like a half hour.

 

This is the one I went with and it is awesome!

 

http://shop.powderriverprecision.net/product.sc?productId=80&categoryId=2

my basis for that comment was this - i have owned the xd for a couple of years, shot roughly ~800 rds through it, and i have always found it difficult to get good groups from it. i do not own a lot of pistols, so i thought that it was due mostly to the size of the round (.45 has a decent recoil on the xd) which made follow up shots more difficult. combine the recoil with a lack of formal training and it made sense (to me) i was making ~7" groups at the first red line (7yds?). I never thought it was the trigger.

 

fast forward to this evening...I arrive at the range with 8 loaded mags, and a freshly cleaned kimber. first mag i shoot slowly, getting used to the sights and feel of the gun, as a single stack is new to me. all 7 rds were within the 3" range and i noticed an immediate difference in being able to keep the weapon on target.

 

all subsequent mags were within a 2" group at 7 yds and it just felt natural to shoot.

 

i switched back to my xd to try out the federal hst ammo in it and immediately felt the difference in the trigger. i was still unable to shoot the same kind of groups even when taking time between shots. i looked online and it seems as if a few companies make trigger kits to improve upon the stock version. im gona make a thread to see if anyone has experience with them.

 

it could also be the that a 1911 style trigger is just more comfortable for me, i don't have enough experience in this area to know yet.

 

 

don't mean to hijack the thread - important point is that Brick Armory has a good deal on .45 sd ammo lol

 

Not a problem, I agree to a certain extent, I shoot "Better" with my 1911 than my Glock as well

Exactly. This is why I cant get 5.7x28 anywhere! Any law enforcement agency that uses the FNH can get it with minimal difficulty. Hopefully someone other than fiocchi will start making this caliber. Rumor has it that american eagle (federal) is going to.

Ken

just dump your 5.7x28 and go with keltec 22wmr....oops no 30 round mags for you.

funny. cabelas just put the ammo on sale now. so even they are cheaper than local stores.

 

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Winchester-9mm-NATO-Handgun-Ammunition/1212878.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dnato%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=nato&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products