It seems that the revolver has taken a huge hit in the defensive side of it's use for the owner. Am I wrong in thinking this? As a revolver fan, it bothers me that the snubby or 4 inch wheel gun has become a range gun or safe queen.

 

 

What says you gentlemen?

Ray, if I could only have 1 hangun for HD/SD it would be a wheelie..

Oh come on Raymond, you know better!

 

First off, I think that guy in the video is a frigging tool bag. but that's another topic.

 

Like you, I am a big Revolver enthusiast, and I personally feel they are the most user friendly gun you can pick up, anybody can do it. What's harder then picking it up, and pulling the trigger? No safety latches, slide releases, mag drops, beaver tail safetys, etc etc.

 

Draw Backs for CCW? most are heavy side, bulky, Limited in shots, etc. I can see why people would stray away because of this, but it's all personal preference.

 

I've got the Ruger LCR snubbie for " CCW " , this , along with other lighter J-Frames, are light, small footprint, and pack a punch.

Dead? No, not with the demand for J frames and the LCR.

 

When wifey is home alone, I load up a revolver, pure and simple there's so little to know beyond point and shoot (certainly there is but you understand my point).

Luv my G19_Gen4!

-wish I could have a 33rder as a back mag up for HD.

 

First off, I think that guy in the video is a frigging tool bag. but that's another topic.

 

 

^^^ THIS X10000000000 ^^^ I loathe Yeager with the fire of a million burning suns!

 

And yes they are dead for CCW, except they still have a role as a backup gun.

 

The main reason as I see it is capacity, followed by weight, the amount of practice necessary to become competent with that double action trigger pull, and then reload times.

 

I think another factor is that we are slowly losing our gun culture and new shooters are being introduced to shooting handguns with semi-auto pistols and not Dad or Granddad's revolver. Then, when it is time to buy your own, you go with what you know, unless you are a "I like to be different" type or a firearm "hipster".

Both 1911s & 6 shooters have break glass triggers in single action. If you miss with the glock, it'll be too bad for you.

We can get 15 round mags for 45acps today. Is he a dino or something?

Where's his second strike on a glock trigger? Good luck rackin n tappin while some crazy is coming at you fast.

Ever heard of speed loaders, moon clips, & 8 shot cylinders?

Good luck getting your wife to rack the heavy spring slide.

This guy's bias is unreal.

I like Glock but ain't no fanboy.

My wheelie lives in the nightstand drawer. My wife is more comfortable with it as she doesn't have to worry about safeties or racking the slide. That makes me more comfortable.

 

As for CCW, I would look at a polymer semi auto over a J frame snubbie simply for capacity. I like revolvers for simplicity, but would want that extra capacity.

 

C

I like revolvers for simplicity, but would want that extra capacity.

 

C

 

While it's a good point, I recall reading something like most firearm "shot count" in a CCW situation ends at 2-3 shots.

When Hillary Clinton is elected in 2016, it will be the only firearm you will be 'allowed' to have, so better not grid of them anytime soon

Alec said it best, this guy in the video is an absolute tool.

When Hillary Clinton is elected in 2016, it will be the only firearm you will be 'allowed' to have, so better not grid of them anytime soon

 

The thought of that makes me want to vomit.

 

Let's see, I have 8 revolvers, 5 semis, and no plastic guns. Guess I need a few more revolvers............

 

Not even worried about CCW until I leave this commie state.

s&W model 19 .357 4" brute force reliable.....

 

You off by 10 on your model number... lol

While it's a good point, I recall reading something like most firearm "shot count" in a CCW situation ends at 2-3 shots.

 

I've read and seen that post eslewhere as well. I still would be more comfortable having more.

 

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The only thing that will stop her right now, is if the grim reaper decides it's her time. She will, 100000% for sure, be the 2016 Dem nominee for Prez. And, unless there is a better qualified and more well known woman put up by another party, she will win election in a walk. The MSM will trumpet 'it's time for a woman' meme starting 21 Jan 2013. This is what will happen, so stock up the next 4 years

The thought of that makes me want to vomit.

 

Let's see, I have 8 revolvers, 5 semis, and no plastic guns. Guess I need a few more revolvers............

 

Not even worried about CCW until I leave this commie state.

The only disadvantage that I can thing of concerning a wheel-gun for HD/SD is the limited number of rounds.

I gladly use my revolver as one of my strategically placed HD guns. There is nothing wrong with blowing a lampshade sized hole through someone that's trying to invade my house.

 

And yes they are dead for CCW, except they still have a role as a backup gun.

 

Not true, sadly your wrong. Carry 2 revolvers since in a real fight your not gonna reload with any kind of reliability. shoot 5 (or 6, 7,8) New York reload and your ready to rock.

I think as semi auto's became more and more reliable, the wheel gun started to become less popular as a ccw. The fact of more mag capacity with the same reliability is hard to argue with.

 

And that guy in that video is a tool for sure. Does anyone take that idiot serious?

IMHO, there is a reason why people keep buying revolvers.

 

The Ruger LCR is a fantastic little gun. I personally didn't like it when I shot it, but I would still recommend it as an option.

 

I carried a 15-shot PX4 Compact when I first started carrying in PA. That lasted about a month. The gun was heavy and thick. I can't think of any situation (except for a Mumbai type situation) where I would need more than a few rounds anyway.

 

My guess is that you could take care of 99% of the CCW situations you are likely to encounter with a 5 shot revolver. That being said, I still don't own one. But your revolver will never jam, and you will never forget to take the safety off. You can use a revolver with either hand. You can reload a revolver with one broken hand - there is a reason why pilots in Vietnam carried revolvers as their survival weapon. There are plenty of advantages to a revolver.

 

My biggest problem with 38 Special is the cost - I shoot about 100 rounds per week, sometimes more. If I shot 38 special, that's about three to four dollars more per box than 9mm. I like the aesthetics of wheelguns and would certainly consider purchasing a 9mm or 45 ACP revolver, especially a Charter Arms, but my SD preference is semi-autos. So that's what I stick with.

 

I wouldn't discourage anyone from using a revolver if that's what they preferred. It's still a perfectly valid platform.

You need a quick history lesson on the NY Reload brother.

 

The "New York reload" was named after the practice of dumping one revolver for another gun. The reason was that NYPD only authorized dump pouches for extra ammo for the duty gun. It was faster to drop 1 gun and grab another than reload 6 rounds into the issued revolver. (By the way, often the second gun was a full size semi auto pistol as semis were not authorized as a primary carry gun, but OK as a backup/off duty heater.)

 

The implementation of semi-autos and their reloads being so much faster and easier to train has almost put an end to that practice.

 

Gear up appropriately, put yourself in the timer and see what shakes.

 

Of course this is all for naught of you have 16 round on board to begin with instead of your 5 (or 6, 7, or 8). I can double your load out without even carrying any spare ammo.

 

As far as a reload under stress, if you train for it, you will do it. I have heard plenty of first hand accounts of guys finishing a gunfight with a full mag in their gun from Soldiers, Marines, and Cops. They don't even remember reloading, but when the smoke clears, the gun is plussed up and there are empties on the deck and partials in the dumper/pocket/shirt.

Rick, do you not remember our little meet-up? Yeah you do. 6 shot 686 outshoot all those polymer hero's last year. It's not the tool, it's the person using it.

I carried a 15-shot PX4 Compact when I first started carrying in PA. That lasted about a month. The gun was heavy and thick. I can't think of any situation (except for a Mumbai type situation) where I would need more than a few rounds anyway.

 

My guess is that you could take care of 99% of the CCW situations you are likely to encounter with a 5 shot revolver.

 

Coeur d'Alene Idaho October 2012

Oak Creek Wisconsin October 2012

Int 96 corridor Michigan, October 2012

Downey California, October 2012

Old Bridge NJ, August 2012 (I responded to this and was one of the first 5 cops in the door)

New York City NY X2, August 2012

Tuscaloosa Alabama, July 2012

Aurora Colorado, July 2012

Seattle Washington, June 2012

Oakland California, April 2012

Beaumont Texas, March 2012

Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, March 2012

Chicago Illonois, November 2011

Fort Hood Texas, November 2009

Salt Lake City Utah, February 2007

South River NJ, December 2000

 

Google these, then get back to me about 5 shots.

 

But your revolver will never jam, and you will never forget to take the safety off. You can use a revolver with either hand. You can reload a revolver with one broken hand - there is a reason why pilots in Vietnam carried revolvers as their survival weapon. There are plenty of advantages to a revolver.

Horse hockey. Anything made by man will fail. I have seen revolvers malfunction plenty of times. Glocks/M&Ps/XDs/most striker fired pistols don't have safeties and you can fire and reload them all one handed.

 

Rick, do you not remember our little meet-up? Yeah you do. 6 shot 686 outshoot all those polymer hero's last year. It's not the tool, it's the person using it.

 

Yeah, I do. Did you beat me or....?

 

I agree it's usually the Indian and not the arrow with one caveat - all things must be relatively equal. For example an Indian with an AR will defeat the Indian with the bow and arrow with boring regularity.

 

Also don't compare a game to the real thing. 1 shot may not do it in the real world like it does in the comp. 6 shots may not do it either. Bad guys don't clang and fall over when you hit them while standing still with no cover in the middle of a beautiful day where cotton ball coulds float across an impossibly blue sky next to rivers of chocolate and trees that give beer.

 

All that aside. For the sake of discussion, let's say that every one of those steel targets was a threat. There was what, 30-40 targets per stage. Would you rather have 6 rounds on board or 16?

 

ETA:

 

Oh yeah, Ray, one more thing... Do you know what is faster than a sub 1.5 second revolver reload?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 more rounds still in the gun

Edited November 23, 201213 yr by High Exposure

I'm very surprised at your opinion Rick, I thought you were smart. Just because a gun carries more rounds doesn't make it better. And your scenario with the Indians was horrible. Comparing a rifle from the 50s to a bow and arrow is not far.

Revolvers are accurate, reliable, easy to learn, easy to shoot and provide plenty of stopping power. As do semi-auto's!

Coeur d'Alene Idaho October 2012

Oak Creek Wisconsin October 2012

Int 96 corridor Michigan, October 2012

Downey California, October 2012

Old Bridge NJ, August 2012 (I responded to this and was one of the first 5 cops in the door)

New York City NY X2, August 2012

Tuscaloosa Alabama, July 2012

Aurora Colorado, July 2012

Seattle Washington, June 2012

Oakland California, April 2012

Beaumont Texas, March 2012

Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, March 2012

Chicago Illonois, November 2011

Fort Hood Texas, November 2009

Salt Lake City Utah, February 2007

South River NJ, December 2000

 

Google these, then get back to me about 5 shots.

 

 

I appreciate the insight, but you may be comparing apples to oranges here. The situations above are more like combat. I served as an Infantryman. I deployed to Iraq. I would not want a revolver in combat.

 

Carrying is always a trade-off between capacity, comfort and weight. If your gun is too heavy, you won't carry it. If you buy a lighter gun, you get reduced capacity, but you carry it.

 

Take a look at gunssavelives.net and look at the stories where the mere presence of an armed individual deterred a criminal. Heck, just the other day there was that robbery of the Jewelry store in East Brunswick where the store owner pulled out a handgun and :

“Upon seeing the owner’s handgun, both suspects then fled the store without any proceeds and ran north on Highway 18,” Zebro said in the statement."

 

Did it matter whether the owner had a 15 shot semi-auto or a 5 shot revolver in this situation? No. But let's say that the owner had to start shooting, let's look at the three possible outcomes.

 

#1. You are going to end the threat.

#2. The target will submit or run away and no longer be a threat.

#3. You die.

 

I would agree with this. If the target isn't dead or running away after the fifth shot of any gun, he has probably an outlier and is going to kill you no matter what you do. That doesn't mean that I'm in favor of any sort of capacity restrictions, but you have to look at what you are likely to encounter on the street and the likely outcomes.

 

That's the one thing people don't tend to discuss on these forums - the fact that you an get killed. In a situation like the ones you mentioned above where you have a killer with superior weapons and the element of surprise, you are probably going to get killed whether you gave a revolver or a semi-auto.

 

There are just some situations where when it's your time, it's your time and there is not a darn thing you can do about it.

 

All that being said, is 5 shots probably enough for any scenario that the OP is likely to encounter?

 

Yes.

 

But I'm still sticking with my 7 + 1 Kel Tec. I'm a semi-auto guy and revolvers aren't my thing. But if the OP prefers it... well then it works for him.

I gladly use my revolver as one of my strategically placed HD guns. There is nothing wrong with blowing a lampshade sized hole through someone that's trying to invade my house.

 

What model is that?

That is a raging judge magnum I believe.

I spent over 30 years as a LEO. 4 years as a municipal police officer and the rest of the time with the Federal government. Most of that time I was a firearms and tactics instructor. I still do private instruction. I went in the Army in 1967 at age 17 and got the free tour of SE Asia where I started carrying a firearm on a daily basis (including revolvers). I stayed in the National Guard and Reserves and as a result have instructed soldiers on everything from a 1911/S&W Model 10/M9 to a 8" howitzer. I also got to go to other exotic dangerous places. Between the two careers I have seen and been involved in shots fired in anger on a couple of continents and at least 5 states.

 

That's for those of you who don't know me. Those who do know me know I think a 4" 357 revolver is the best do it all handgun made. I'll express my other opinions in responses to some other posts.

 

And yes they are dead for CCW, except they still have a role as a backup gun.

 

The main reason as I see it is capacity, followed by weight, the amount of practice necessary to become competent with that double action trigger pull, and then reload times.

 

Sales of S&W 642s and other J frame size revolvers don;t support your claim of them being dead for CCW. The fact that many who buy these are satisfied with pie plate accuracy (their issue not the gun) is a different issue. Yes they are limited as far as capacity goes but I never could understand why big he-men feel burdened by a 2 pound gun. As far as the trigger pull goes I do see a trend among some new revolver shooters trying to get the lightest trigger pull possible. Smooth is more important than light. Many "gunsmiths" go to lighter springs to mask a gritty trigger (which is harder to solve). A good "revolversmith" can get a S&W or Ruger trigger down to about 8 lbs with stock springs (and it will be smooth). If you find a big difference in your shooting between a 8 and a 5 lb trigger, you are not a very good shot.

 

Mastering a DA revolver is not magic. Its paying attention to what you're doing. When I was in the police academy in the 70s I saw people who never fired a handgun shoot expert after a week on the range. This was with stock out of the box revolvers. It ain't hard if you want to learn.

 

 

You need a quick history lesson on the NY Reload brother.

 

The "New York reload" was named after the practice of dumping one revolver for another gun. The reason was that NYPD only authorized dump pouches for extra ammo for the duty gun. It was faster to drop 1 gun and grab another than reload 6 rounds into the issued revolver. (By the way, often the second gun was a full size semi auto pistol as semis were not authorized as a primary carry gun, but OK as a backup/off duty heater.)

 

The implementation of semi-autos and their reloads being so much faster and easier to train has almost put an end to that practice.

 

"The "New York reload" was named after the practice of dumping one revolver for another gun." After that sentence your history is way off. I worked closely with NYPD from 1983-2005, have many friends still there, and my agency used Rodman's Neck for qualifications. When you spend 12+ hours sitting in a car together on surveillance you get to talk about a lot of things. The NY Reload goes back to at least the 60s years before speedloaders were around (mid 70s). NYPD carried ammo in dump pouches or loops. NYPD didn't authorize semi-autos for the troops until the Dinkins administration (circa 1990-91) although IIRC they allowed ESU guys to carry Beretta 92s sometime in the 80s. NYPD policy to this day is very strict not only specifying caliber but make, model, barrel length, and even finish of your gun. They didn't allow stainless guns until the 80s. Prior to that it was blue steel only.

 

When Jim Cirillo started on the Stake Out squad he carried two Model 10s, a alloy frame Colt in his back pocket (Agent I think), and a 380 PPK in an ankle holster (which was not authorized). He eventually got "special permission" to carry a 1911 in conjunction with his stake out duties. Just as Jim carried the PPK, many NYPD officers carried what they felt like, knowingly in violation of department regulations. Frank Serpico carries a Browning High Power after he started receiving threats when the Knapp Commission started without any departmental approval.

 

Yes there are documented cases of NYPD guys carrying semi-autos before 1990 but it wasn't as prevalent as you make it out to be.

 

 

Coeur d'Alene Idaho October 2012

Oak Creek Wisconsin October 2012

Int 96 corridor Michigan, October 2012

Downey California, October 2012

Old Bridge NJ, August 2012 (I responded to this and was one of the first 5 cops in the door)

New York City NY X2, August 2012

Tuscaloosa Alabama, July 2012

Aurora Colorado, July 2012

Seattle Washington, June 2012

Oakland California, April 2012

Beaumont Texas, March 2012

Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, March 2012

Chicago Illonois, November 2011

Fort Hood Texas, November 2009

Salt Lake City Utah, February 2007

South River NJ, December 2000

 

Google these, then get back to me about 5 shots.

 

 

Horse hockey. Anything made by man will fail. I have seen revolvers malfunction plenty of times. Glocks/M&Ps/XDs/most striker fired pistols don't have safeties and you can fire and reload them all one handed.

 

 

 

Yeah, I do. Did you beat me or....?

 

I agree it's usually the Indian and not the arrow with one caveat - all things must be relatively equal. For example an Indian with an AR will defeat the Indian with the bow and arrow with boring regularity.

 

Also don't compare a game to the real thing. 1 shot may not do it in the real world like it does in the comp. 6 shots may not do it either. Bad guys don't clang and fall over when you hit them while standing still with no cover in the middle of a beautiful day where cotton ball coulds float across an impossibly blue sky next to rivers of chocolate and trees that give beer.

 

All that aside. For the sake of discussion, let's say that every one of those steel targets was a threat. There was what, 30-40 targets per stage. Would you rather have 6 rounds on board or 16?

 

I didn't Google al the shootings you posted but IIRC they were all one active shooter. Now if the guy walks in and shoots you first it doesn't make a difference what you're carrying, you're shot. If you are able to take cover I can't see why you feel a revolver puts you at such a disadvantage. Are you laying surpressive fire? You can do that with a revolver. Spraying and praying?

 

Yes revolvers can malfunction. However, most malfunctions are due to magazines and ammunition. A revolver has the simplest malfunction drill, pull the trigger again.

 

BTW the reason pilots carried 38s in Vietnam was because with the greater number of aircrews they needed to give them handguns and 1911s were more expensive. The Army went from maybe a few hundred aircraft in say 1960 to several thousand by the end of the 60s.

 

Having been there, done that I am most assuredly not comparing games to the real thing.

 

Your scenario of being faced by 30-40 threats is intresting. If faced with such a problem disgression is the better part of valor and its time for you to unass the area. If they are armed with firearms once you drop one or two the others will seek cover unless you are being attacked by the Chinese hordes. If you can't escape I think the best you can hope for is taking as many of them with you as you can. If you're talking about a civil disturbance situation and looters you forgot something very important. most looters are unarmed. People loot because its fun getting something for nothing. If you shoot one or two of them...its not fun anymore and they will look for easier pickings. Even if a few are carrying firearms the rest won't stand there and be bullet stops.

 

Don't get me wrong I own and use high capacity semi autos. I've never complained about having too much ammo. I don't dismiss revolvers as antiques and not a viable weapon however. 5 or 6 shots will suffice for most situations and if I find myself in a situation where it doesn't that's my fault.

 

Other than the capacity issue, if you refuse to learn how to use a revolver (and that includes tactics not just the gun) thats not my problem. I laugh when I see these muscle bound guys that can press 350 and complain a revolver is heavy and the trigger is too hard.

 

Do you carry a full size service auto 24/7? I know some that do.

I'm very surprised at your opinion Rick, I thought you were smart. Just because a gun carries more rounds doesn't make it better. And your scenario with the Indians was horrible. Comparing a rifle from the 50s to a bow and arrow is not far.

Revolvers are accurate, reliable, easy to learn, easy to shoot and provide plenty of stopping power. As do semi-auto's!

 

Sure it does. Would you say a lever action in .45-70 is better than a breech loader in the same caliber when viewed from the perspective of SD? Would you say an AR with a 30 round mag is better than an AR with a 5 round mag for the purposes we are discussing here? Would you rather have a 686 or a 686 + on your hip walking into a potential gunfight? That extra round may matter. Frankly, I am surprised at you Ray. I thought this would be clear to a guy whose position on the shotgun as THE HD weapon of choice was based on more holes = better, since more bullets = more holes = better.

 

Also, that wasn't a scenario, it was a point of reference. It was to show that sometimes equipment does factor into who wins in a fight. Is this better? An Indian with a bow and arrow or an English long bowman against an armored knight - the long bow will win with boring regularity. How about a guy with a pointy rock or a guy with a bazooka against a tank? Do I need to tell you who has a better chance of winning? You need the right tool for the job at hand.

 

Self Defese isn't mean to be fair. Nothing about using a firearm to protect yourself should be fair. In defense of your life, you should leave a smoking hole where your aggressor was standing. It should be quick, dirty, and overwhelmingly decisive.

 

Finally,Ray, what is stopping power? How to you measure it? How much stopping power is plenty?

 

 

I appreciate the insight, but you may be comparing apples to oranges here. The situations above are more like combat. I served as an Infantryman. I deployed to Iraq. I would not want a revolver in combat.

 

Nope. Apples to apples.

 

None are about facing insurgents in Ramadi or hordes of Reds flowing through the Fulda Gap. Most of these are simple scenarios of a man with a gun, usually a handgun, in a public place, that is actively killing folks and needs to be stopped.

 

Sure the above events are like combat. They all involved a situation where if you were present, you would have been in a fight for your life, hence, combat. I specifically picked the above situations as each each was an event where there was a shooter in a relatively public place. There are plenty more that I am sure you know about or have seen: the Internet cafe shooting in Tampa this summer, the LIRR massacre, the shooting at the Texas McDonalds, VA Tech. Each could have been ended by an armed person with a CCW in the right place, at the right time, with the training, equipment, and mindset to win. Yeah, I am talking about you, or me, or Ray Ray.

 

Carrying is always a trade-off between capacity, comfort and weight. If your gun is too heavy, you won't carry it. If you buy a lighter gun, you get reduced capacity, but you carry it.

 

Anyone who thinks a G19 sized pistol is too heavy or big to carry needs to go to the gym, buy a proper gunbelt and a decent holster. The gun you choose to carry should be comforting, not comfortable. In any event, as far as carrying always being a trade off between capacity, comfort and weight, I offer the following comparison:

 

Glock 19 loaded with 16 rounds of 9mm - 21oz

S&W 686 empty (2.5" barrel 6 rounds of .357 capacity) - 35oz

 

The G19 (as an example, not a reccomendation) offers 2 and a half times the capacity, in roughly the same size package at over a pound less weight, loaded. (I know there are lighter revolvers out there but this is the gun that Ray Ray mentioned above as beating all the "Polymer Hero's [sic]" in his post above)

 

Your example of the give and take does not apply when comparing revolvers to semi's.

 

Take a look at gunssavelives.net and look at the stories where the mere presence of an armed individual deterred a criminal. Heck, just the other day there was that robbery of the Jewelry store in East Brunswick where the store owner pulled out a handgun and :

 

 

Did it matter whether the owner had a 15 shot semi-auto or a 5 shot revolver in this situation? No. But let's say that the owner had to start shooting, let's look at the three possible outcomes.

 

#1. You are going to end the threat.

#2. The target will submit or run away and no longer be a threat.

#3. You die.

 

The problem with those statistics on these incidents is you rarely get the other side of the story and a reaon as to why the bad guys didn't fight it out. Who were the badguys? Did they have a real gun, an air soft gun, or a starter pistol? If it was a real gun, was it loaded? In my experience, these quick holdups are often perpetrated with imitation guns or starter pistols, and the actors would have fled if the owner pulled a golf club, a knife, or a gun.

 

I can't imagine pulling a gun in that situation and not shooting? If you are not going to shoot, why skin your piece? Relying on brandishing to deter a genuine badguy is likely to get you shot, or your pistol snatched out of your hands and shoved up your a$$. Posturing like that is no bueno.

 

If you are not going to do anything more than brandish, why have bullets? Or buy an air soft gun and save $500.

 

I would agree with this. If the target isn't dead or running away after the fifth shot of any gun, he has probably an outlier and is going to kill you no matter what you do.

 

Unless you have ten more rounds to dump into him in addition to utilizing proper tactics. I can't say you would win, but you would certainly stand a better chance with the extra rounds then without them.

 

 

That's the one thing people don't tend to discuss on these forums - the fact that you an get killed. In a situation like the ones you mentioned above where you have a killer with superior weapons and the element of surprise, you are probably going to get killed whether you gave a revolver or a semi-auto.

 

There are just some situations where when it's your time, it's your time and there is not a darn thing you can do about it.

 

Then why carry at all. You can't resign yourself to fate like that. When you decide "Well, I guess it is my time." That is when you stop fighting for your life. To me that idea is abhorrent.

 

All that being said, is 5 shots probably enough for any scenario that the OP is likely to encounter?

 

Yes.

 

No.

 

How do you know what the OP is likely to encounter? What are next weeks lotto numbers?

 

Do you want to bet his life, or your life for that matter, on that? I don't. If I only need 5, great, but if I need six, now what?

 

But I'm still sticking with my 7 + 1 Kel Tec. I'm a semi-auto guy and revolvers aren't my thing. But if the OP prefers it... well then it works for him.

 

Good. Oh, and bring a reload

What GRIZ said, I'm done hur.