There is something odd about this story and the way it is being reported. All the news stories I have seen say little about how or why the gunman was stopped, only saying it was an "apparent suicide" and confirming that the police did not fire any rounds. Why aren't there more details at this point? Also, in every other active shooter scenario I've read about, the gunman stopped firing only when confronted by police (either being shot or physically detained by the police or committing suicide after being confronted) or in a few cases killed by an armed citizen. Very odd that this nut would kill himself without being confronted, unless he was targeting a specific person and then killed himself. If this person in Oregon had been stopped by an armed citizen, I wonder whether the police and the media might deliberately delay or avoid reporting that? I have no reason whatsoever to believe that is the case here, but it does seem a bit odd.

 

It is fairly common for an AS to do themselves before being confronted. In fact that's how the Old Bridge Pathmark shooter ended it. Ran out of victims, slung his WASR, and popped himself in the ear. He was dead long before we made entry.

 

A number of mass shooters have killed themselves without being confronted. As for the odd reporting, I'm hoping it's a new trend. Making someone famous for this crap is exactly the opposite of what should happen. They should die anonymously with the only coverage about them being how big a POS the nameless scumbag was rather than turning them into some anti hero to be copycatted.

 

I agree 100% and I hope some of this mindset is starting to take hold on the media, but I am not holding my breath.

 

Could also be the continuing investigation aspect, the need to notify family of all deceased parties before full disclosure, the possibility of another actor somewhere... There are a bunch of reasons to play these types of investigations close to the vest for as long as possible.

 

Guns where stolen!

Yep. Police report the gun was stolen. So it was an illegal gun in a gun free zone. Doesn't get anymore illegal than that.

Good read: "why more people didn't die".....

 

http://news.yahoo.com/why-more-people-didnt-die-clackamas-mall-shooting-225031988.html

Yep. Police report the gun was stolen. So it was an illegal gun in a gun free zone. Doesn't get anymore illegal than that.

 

No, it was an illegally-OBTAINED gun. The gun was legal. The only "gun law" that would have stopped this shooting is one requiring firearms to be kept in safes when not in use... and even then the citizen would have to follow that law. The gun itself, by all current reports, was a legal weapon.

dupe

 

 

No, it was an illegally-OBTAINED gun. The gun was legal. The only "gun law" that would have stopped this shooting is one requiring firearms to be kept in safes when not in use... and even then the citizen would have to follow that law. The gun itself, by all current reports, was a legal weapon.

 

Your right. Illegally obtained.

Anyone ever notice that "gun free zones " are not very safe.

That should be on billboards accross the country.

Who wears camo to shoot up a mall? Doesn't blend well does it?

 

Don't be a jackass

Anyone ever notice that "gun free zones " are not very safe.

 

To quote Chris Rock:

Dont go to parties with metal detectors.

Sure, It feels safe inside,

But what about all those n****s waiting outside with guns,

They Know You Aint Got One!

I didn't think of that, especially since General Growth Properties has that mall listed as a "gun free" zone.

 

The police have a conundrum on their hands if a CCW holder stopped that shooting,. Do they prosecute a guy who just saved dozens of people?

 

Nothing to Prosecute..Oregon's CCW law says that a sign doesnt carry any weight, they can only request that someone carrying leave. Also the PD's radio traffic was available real time throughout the incident and it was reported by the guys on the scene that he offed himself.

Wow, another jammed AR saved lives that day.

Wow, another jammed AR saved lives that day.

 

Or possibly a CCW:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

 

 

Did him seeing a firearm pointed at him cause him to off himself? Who knows, but the next shot was the one that ended his life.