The answer Vini was altitude. The point was the variable makes the difference. A max safe distance has to consider all variables.......

Are you trying to say that it's safe to shoot in your house because most of the bullets will stay in walls?

 

no.. but it is safer to shoot in your house with the right ammo because once it goes through a wall it will lose a lot of its ability to cause harm on the other side... some other ammo.. some other calibers.. not so much.

The answer Vini was altitude. The point was the variable makes the difference. A max safe distance has to consider all variables.......

 

Oh, I see, "Vini, so far everything you have posted in this thread seems about 98% wrong LOL." goes to attitude.

I will not post adequate answer to that.

I'm not going after "forum commando of the year" award, so I can live with it.

As long as we agree that projectile from high power rifle can kill at great distance and kids here don't have reasons to believe otherwise "cause that guy who knows everything said so" - we are good.

Vini, your assertions were all over the place. 1 second your talking about under 50 yds, the next your spouting off about how 200 yd shots are unrealistic in the woods. Then from there we are at 3600 meters. The only question that became clear was what min safe distance is. I gave 1 simple example how a variable would affect min safe distance. Im sure there are many others I havent thought of. But a min safe distance is just that. A distance that no matter the variable, you can consider your self safe from that 1 in a million chance. But the fact of the matter is your assertions give a distinct impression that your musings are entirely pedantery. Just how much actual shooting experience do you have?

 

Lets have a look shall we?

 

I agree with you guys: 5 meters is close range, but 200-300 hundred meters in a forest is not realistic. You dont think a 200 meter engagement in the woods is realistic??????

How far you can see there? It would be more like 20-30 meters at most. We arent exactly in the amazon rainforest here!

As long as military plays in *stan sandbox - long distances might be practical. But if we are talking about other places (remember Vietnam?) where wooden areas are common, the game has different rules.What game are we talking about? For decades the longest confirmed sniper kill was made in Vietnam. Must be because visibility in the woods was only 30 meters right?

Russians developed 5.45x39 for their own needs and most of places within area of their interests have a lot of trees.

 

Think about your own needs. Well, obviously the only use in NJ for all the shown calibers is target shooting - what else you can do?

Home defense? I don't know... Unless you live in the middle of nowhere (not that many places like that left in NJ, if any)I guess you dont get out much in NJ because I can show you a million places right here in NJ where it is WIDE OPEN SPACE!

and have no neighbors within at least a mile around you - too risky.

Handgun would do much better job. Or shotgun. In the context of overpennetration and the safety of surrounding neighbors, this is proven false and displays your lack of knowledge on the subject.

Only SHTF left. Pure fantasy, of course, but if you will have an engagement in such event, it would be less that 50 meters and most likely in a wooded area.

Why 50 meters or less? Well, lowlives who might come to take your food/whatever else, are less likely to to arrange for snipers to take you out, they will just come in and start an assault.

Also, it might be hard to explain to LE/jury how killing someone 200-300 meters away was a self defense.

 

Again your missing some of the point. The vid wasnt about safety. It was about the difference between cover and concealment and the folly of movies. Unfortunatly I dont think it took into account the defence mechanism treese have to keep from freezing in winter. But the point that people like Vlad and Griz were trying to make to you is that these weapons in a self defence scenario ARE in fact safer for bystanders given the right ammo and caliber selections in the context of overpenetration. But that was not the point of the vid and it seems you were intermixing the subjects in error.

the entire time the only point I was making to you was that you were suffering from an assumption that many make.. and that assumption is that an AR15 with the right ammo is a poor interior weapon... this thought is totally incorrect and could not be further from the truth.. it is in fact one of the best weapons..

 

it has virtually no recoil so follow up shots are fast..

it has a much higher capacity than a shotgun...

it is less likely to over penetrate..

it is held with two hands unlike a pistol so will be more accurate..

 

 

the list goes on and on and on.. AR15 with a weapon mounted light is an amazing home defense weapon.. great in interior situation.. and still viable to 300 yards (or more depending on the shooter)