You seemed to paint all LEO with a broad stoke in your statements...what if all antis viewed all lawful gun owners like that jerkoff Yeager. Wouldn't be to helpful to our cause. Don't lump all LEO into the same category because a majority are not just mindless order takers out to preserve their pension like you seem to think.

 

Secondy show a little respect. KPD is a respected member here that has brought more to this forum than you ever have and based on your additions so far, ever will.

And the cop pension obsession continues...

Come on guys, knock it off, is this really helping.

 

On another note, the 2 that you are going back and forth with if you knew them you wouldn't be. They are both huge supporters of our gun right, they are just gun guys just like everyone else, they just have a different job. To add to that, they are also stand up guy in all ways.

 

Let me ask, would you rather have them blow smoke up your ass, and lie to you??

 

 

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Let me ask, would you rather have them blow smoke up your ass, and lie to you??

 

Sure - the government has being doing that for years. If it gets much worse my ass is going to start coughing.

You seemed to paint all LEO with a broad stoke in your statements...what if all antis viewed all lawful gun owners like that jerkoff Yeager. Wouldn't be to helpful to our cause. Don't lump all LEO into the same category because a majority are not just mindless order takers out to preserve their pension like you seem to think.

 

Secondy show a little respect. KPD is a respected member here that has brought more to this forum than you ever have and based on your additions so far, ever will.

 

Here we go again, please point out one single instance where I have said all or even a majority of law enforcement officers suck, are JBT, are douchebags, are only in it for their pensions, etc.? Never did. My father, several uncles, god father, and countless friends and extended family are all retired law enforcement, I don’t have an issue with cops in general just the overall shift in mindset that has taken place over the last 30 or so years.

 

I hope to God I'm wrong and every one of you guys take your oath seriously and do the right thing if you are asked to make a choice but I don't have any delusions that all of you will. BTW, this goes for the military as well, you know as well as I many will do as they are told no matter what. Hopefully many more won't but hope is not a strategy I use to prepare for the worst. Like I said, you guys will be the ones with the choice to make not us; we just need to be ready for the ones that make the wrong choice.

 

And as far as respect, you make my point for me about the mindset of “law enforcement” today. You demand respect for what you are rather that earn respect for who you are or how you behave towards others. I believe in mutual respect, I will give respect when it is given to me; do not pass snide comments to/about me with the expectation for me to hold my tong out of “respect”. My comments were in general about those that will follow any order to protect their pensions and paychecks and not directed at anyone in particular unlike HE, KDP and your comments to me. You stepped up to say I meant people like you, you put yourself in that classification not me. Don’t poke people if you are going to get all butt-hurt and cry when they poke you back.

I'm out before I get banned again because of some bs. It's not worth arguing with people like this. Typical

The other guy should go to the penalty box this time. Passive aggression is a silent killer

The other guy should go to the penalty box this time. Passive aggression is a silent killer

 

Yeah I went the last time he started with his antagonizing "Skippy" BS and I went back at him for it. I've stated my peace carefully this time so that no one's undies get in a twist over the way I responded and it is all there for anyone to read, I didn't start it but I have no intention of sitting idly by and taking anyone's snide BS quietly either.

Honestly I will never understand the right wing's fantasy about rebelling against the tyrannical government.

 

They will rant and rave and saber rattle all day about politicians, and how they'll stand up to tyranny, etc.

 

But in the same breath, they love, support, and in some cases pretty much worship LEO/military with unwavering and unquestionable support.

 

Who do they think is gonna come take their guns? Or round them up into the camps? Or whatever. The politicians gonna come to their house and do it? I don't think so. Guess who would come?

 

Seems like your typical gun forum guy would be caught in quite the catch-22 if his fantasy ever came true, huh?

Honestly I will never understand the right wing's fantasy about rebelling against the tyrannical government.

 

They will rant and rave and saber rattle all day about politicians, and how they'll stand up to tyranny, etc.

 

But in the same breath, they love, support, and in some cases pretty much worship LEO/military with unwavering and unquestionable support.

 

Who do they think is gonna come take their guns? Or round them up into the camps? Or whatever. The politicians gonna come to their house and do it? I don't think so. Guess who would come?

 

Seems like your typical gun forum guy would be caught in quite the catch-22 if his fantasy ever came true, huh?

 

That's under the assumption that all military and LEO would agree to gun confiscation, or that the government would even consider it, as unfeasible a plan as it is. Might happen in NJ and IL if it came to that, but I sincerely doubt a plan like that would ever come to fruition in Texas, Pennsylvania, or any of the other myriad constitution supporting states. And why paint us all as right wingers? I carry a lot of views that hardcore conservatives would foam at the mouth at, and there are quite a few liberals and libertarians skulking about.

to gun confiscation, or that the government would even consider it, as unfeasible a plan as it is.

 

The government does a lot of things that I wouldn't consider to be anything close to feasible, but they still do it. I wouldn't put a full out ban and confiscation past them...

 

Both sad and scary.

Since the LEO's in this thread are pro gun, are they pro gun enough to disregard orders to disarm the public? Interesting question. I'm willing to bet they say they will disregard the order, but if their job is on the line then what?

The government does a lot of things that I wouldn't consider to be anything close to feasible, but they still do it. I wouldn't put a full out ban and confiscation past them...

 

With the amount of bickering and bs we have to go through just to get them to agree on a budget, I doubt we'll ever see them agree to such a galactic scale undertaking as door to door confiscation. The amount of money needed would be incredible, not to mention the man power. Unless they brought in foreign aid (and such action would undoubtedly draw the ire and righteous fury of millions of Americans), I don't see it happening.

Since the LEO's in this thread are pro gun, are they pro gun enough to disregard orders to disarm the public? Interesting question. I'm willing to bet they say they will disregard the order, but if their job is on the line then what?

 

 

In my opinion, 95% of them will do what they're told to do, even if they disagree with it.

 

 

In my opinion, 95% of them will do what they're told to do, even if they disagree with it.

how did you profoundly come up with that number

That's under the assumption that all military and LEO would agree to gun confiscation, or that the government would even consider it, as unfeasible a plan as it is. Might happen in NJ and IL if it came to that, but I sincerely doubt a plan like that would ever come to fruition in Texas, Pennsylvania, or any of the other myriad constitution supporting states. And why paint us all as right wingers? I carry a lot of views that hardcore conservatives would foam at the mouth at, and there are quite a few liberals and libertarians skulking about.

 

I'm not sure about those states, though. From what I've seen, conservative states like those tend to be even worse than places like NJ with regards to authoritarianism, abuse of authority, and such. I mean, some of these states literally have Steven Seagal ramming tanks into people's homes for reality TV cameras.

 

There's really no way to be sure of who would do what until the time ever came, but I think it's a bit naive to think that the wonderful cops of Texas wouldn't carry out such an order. I mean, they're willing to ruin someone's life over a dime bag because that's what they're told to do. Why expect such a shift on guns?

 

I am curious for the answer to Ray's question as well.

Because you "never say never" or "never say all" or "never say none", so 95% sounds about right to me. Every day people are told to do things at their work that they don't want to do, but still do it. Cops are not going to be any different. The majority of them, in my opinion, will do what they're told. They won't challenge their order(s), since it could jeopardize their position, paycheck or job. This ain't the movies. You're not going to have more than handful of people that will stand up for themselves and their beliefs when their jobs are on the line.

 

Hopefully, we'll never get to the point of proving me right or wrong. I'm sure you'd agree with that.

Well said nascar

Because you "never say never" or "never say all" or "never say none", so 95% sounds about right to me. Every day people are told to do things at their work that they don't want to do, but still do it. Cops are not going to be any different. The majority of them, in my opinion, will do what they're told. They won't challenge their order(s), since it could jeopardize their position, paycheck or job. This ain't the movies. You're not going to have more than handful of people that will stand up for themselves and their beliefs when their jobs are on the line.

 

Hopefully, we'll never get to the point of proving me right or wrong. I'm sure you'd agree with that.

 

yikes, I agree

In my opinion, 95% of them will do what they're told to do, even if they disagree with it.

 

Even I never said that. I think there are three big issues that make that a moving target, the liberal/conservative nature of the region they reside in, the premise behind the order and how benign that order might seem on its face. Most likely be between 25-75% depending on those factors.

 

I would also mention that some states with provide their LEOs with cover by nullifying such an order from the federal government.

With the amount of bickering and bs we have to go through just to get them to agree on a budget, I doubt we'll ever see them agree to such a galactic scale undertaking as door to door confiscation. The amount of money needed would be incredible, not to mention the man power. Unless they brought in foreign aid (and such action would undoubtedly draw the ire and righteous fury of millions of Americans), I don't see it happening.

 

That's exactly my point. Not feasible, practical, or even sensible. That is why it could happen.

 

I'm out before I get banned again because of some bs. It's not worth arguing with people like this. Typical

 

bs why?

 

and i guess you just bail whenever it's convienent for you. just like Feb 8th

 

bs why?

 

and i guess you just bail whenever it's convienent for you. just like Feb 8th

Its not.about convenience. I'm just not arguing with people like that anymore. Its pointless. As far as the 8th I can't take off. Sorry...just the way it is.

Its not.about convenience. I'm just not arguing with people like that anymore. Its pointless. As far as the 8th I can't take off. Sorry...just the way it is.

 

figures, and you wonder why people don't like you

 

You say you support the 2A and have proven that you like guns. Yet, you can't take a sick day, personnal day or vacation day (which I know you have) to stand against tyranny?

 

Or is it because you really don't care, since you already are gaurenteed to have a CCW, standard capacity magazines and a "free pass" in other NJ gun laws?

Or is it because you really don't care, since you already are gaurenteed to have a CCW, standard capacity magazines and a "free pass" in other NJ gun laws?

 

Ray, you answered your own question lol

 

figures, and you wonder why people don't like you

 

You say you support the 2A and have proven that you like guns. Yet, you can't take a sick day, personnal day or vacation day (which I know you have) to stand against tyranny?

 

Or is it because you really don't care, since you already are gaurenteed to have a CCW, standard capacity magazines and a "free pass" in other NJ gun laws?

first and foremost...GFY. As far as vacation days I have my days alotted for the year already. We don't get sick days we get occurances. If I could do a day at a time I would. Personal days I have to keep in case of emergency especially since my wife is pregnant. We only get five for the year.

As far as free passes on laws mr know it all I am still bound by mag limits with the execption of my duty gun. I also have to follow the same laws as you in regards to what I can own. Ok so I have ccw.you got me there. Its not about this not being important to me but other things take priority. Not that I need to explain myself to you. I am handling this matter in other ways.

That's a good story.

first and foremost...GFY.

 

What does 'GFY' stand for?