We need to attend this. There are public hearings next week. We need to go voice our opinions. Also it is at night so many will not need time off work. Maybe we can get points to emphasis together here and things to mention.

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/01/nj-governors-task-force-to-holding-hearings-on-guns-next-week/

Good idea. Matching t-shirts ala crazy Disney World famililes? Just kidding.

Can anyone who's been in the Army or the Guard longer than I tell me if ACUs are a no-go? I know it's shameless pandering, but in this case . . . I might consider it unless I'm going to get in trouble with my CO.

ACU?

Anyone interested in going to the one in Camden, let me know.

 

 

I don't want to go alone.

ACU?

Army Combat Uniform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Combat_Uniform

Can anyone who's been in the Army or the Guard longer than I tell me if ACUs are a no-go? I know it's shameless pandering, but in this case . . . I might consider it unless I'm going to get in trouble with my CO.

 

Do not do this. As a soldier you are allowed to attend rallies, but not in uniform.

I plan to attend the meeting at Brookdale CC next Wednesday.

5 U.S.C. 301, 10 U.S.C. 772.

 

(a) Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). The wearing of the uniform is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:

 

(1) At any meeting or demonstration which is a function of, or sponsored by an organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which the Attorney General of the United States has designated, pursuant to E.O. 10450 as amended, as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive, or as having adopted a policy of advocating or approving the commission of acts of force or violence to deny others their rights under The Constitution of the United States, or as seeking to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means.

(2) During or in connection with the furtherance of political activities, private employment or commercial interests, when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest could be drawn.

(3) Except when authorized by competent Service authority, when participating in activities such as public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstrations (including those pertaining to civil rights), which may imply Service Sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted.

(4) When wearing of the uniform would tend to bring discredit upon the Armed Forces.

(5) When specifically prohibited by regulations of the department concerned.

 

Don't mean to be a D*ck, but sometimes the stripes still come out. Forget about your CO. You'll have to answer to me first.

 

 

But in all seriousness, don't do it. We can have our own opinions out of uniform but we stand as one when we wear it.

5 U.S.C. 301, 10 U.S.C. 772.

 

(a) Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). The wearing of the uniform is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:

 

(1) At any meeting or demonstration which is a function of, or sponsored by an organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which the Attorney General of the United States has designated, pursuant to E.O. 10450 as amended, as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive, or as having adopted a policy of advocating or approving the commission of acts of force or violence to deny others their rights under The Constitution of the United States, or as seeking to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means.

(2) During or in connection with the furtherance of political activities, private employment or commercial interests, when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest could be drawn.

(3) Except when authorized by competent Service authority, when participating in activities such as public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstrations (including those pertaining to civil rights), which may imply Service Sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted.

(4) When wearing of the uniform would tend to bring discredit upon the Armed Forces.

(5) When specifically prohibited by regulations of the department concerned.

 

Don't mean to be a D*ck, but sometimes the stripes still come out. Forget about your CO. You'll have to answer to me first.

 

 

But in all seriousness, don't do it. We can have our own opinions out of uniform but we stand as one when we wear it.

 

Nice pistol, is that yours?

 

Idk, I mean, the US military is sworn to uphold the constitution, I think it would be a bad idea for you personally, but I would only wish that a lot of people would show up in uniform.

 

I mean, hell, they did it in the '60s during anti-war protests.

I'll be heading to Rutgers Camden on the 5th. Anyone going here, be prepared to have THICK skin. Three of the big civic groups up in Trenton on Monday were from Camden!

I'll be heading to Rutgers Camden on the 5th. Anyone going here, be prepared to have THICK skin. Three of the big civic groups up in Trenton on Monday were from Camden!

 

Part of the reason I don't want to go alone.

I am in for camden

Nice pistol, is that yours?

 

Idk, I mean, the US military is sworn to uphold the constitution, I think it would be a bad idea for you personally, but I would only wish that a lot of people would show up in uniform.

 

I mean, hell, they did it in the '60s during anti-war protests.

 

It is mine. I bought the pistol. The grips were a gift when I got promoted to Sergeant First Class.

 

I don't tend to puff up my chest here, but I guess I have to come out of the closet. I've been in the military in one form or another since 1993. Army. Guard. Infantry. I don't tend to brag about it, or even talk about it. It's just something I do on the weekends now. I served in Iraq. So did 1.4 million other people. I'm not special.

 

Soldiers might have protested back in the 1960's but odds are that they were really vets who wore pieces of their uniforms. If they protested in uniform the penalties would probably have been much higher, especially since Army didn't pussyfoot around with discipline back then.

I may go to Rutgers on the 5th.

No uniforms.. but no sandals either!

It is mine. I bought the pistol. The grips were a gift when I got promoted to Sergeant First Class.

 

I don't tend to puff up my chest here, but I guess I have to come out of the closet. I'm been in the military in one form or another since 1993. Army. Guard. Infantry. I don't tend to brag about it, or even talk about it. It's just something I do on the weekends now. I served in Iraq. So did 1.4 million other people. I'm not special.

 

Soldiers might have protested back in the 1960's but odds are that they were really vets who wore pieces of their uniforms. If they protested in uniform the penalties would probably have been much higher, especially since Army didn't pussyfoot around with discipline back then.

 

Thank you, sincerely for your service.

 

Maybe that's true, I used to know some of the UCMJ, but not much. I have been (pleasantly) surprised with how many service members (it seems particularly special forces) have been coming out supporting gun rights. I know military members are usually VERY quiet on such matters, so things such as that letter some special forces guys wrote really surprised me. (Granted, I have no clue if all of them were active or perhaps they were all retired. Either way.)

Thank you, sincerely for your service.

 

I'll send you the bill.

You can be wearing things that let people know you are in the military though.

 

I have a unit T-shirt I like to wear for things like that.

 

 

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You can be wearing things that let people know you are in the military though.

 

I have a unit T-shirt I like to wear for things like that.

 

Unit t-shirt is just fine. But you better be wearing your eyepro and PT belt.

Part of the reason I don't want to go alone.

 

No worries. A have a number of the real, honest, and decent Camden PD officers on a project of mine - yeah, I have to hire the Camden PD to protect my working field crews - on speed dial! It's a real shame that the entire force has to suffer for the bad seeds. Most of the officers bend over backwards for me because they're doing it on OT basis and trying to save as much as possible as all of them have now signed their layoff papers. I digress.

No worries. A have a number of the real, honest, and decent Camden PD officers on a project of mine - yeah, I have to hire the Camden PD to protect my working field crews - on speed dial! It's a real shame that the entire force has to suffer for the bad seeds. Most of the officers bend over backwards for me because they're doing it on OT basis and trying to save as much as possible as all of them have now signed their layoff papers. I digress.

 

Not really afraid of the crime part- If I were killed, my only request would be for NJ2AS, and the people of NJGF to rally around my death due to my inability-under NJ law- to defend myself.

 

I kind of don't feel like antis screaming at me. I'd feel better knowing I wasn't the only pro-gun guy there.

 

And I don't like any city regardless. I'm just weird about that.

Not really afraid of the crime part- If I were killed, my only request would be for NJ2AS, and the people of NJGF to rally around my death due to my inability-under NJ law- to defend myself.

 

I kind of don't feel like antis screaming at me. I'd feel better knowing I wasn't the only pro-gun guy there.

 

And I don't like any city regardless. I'm just weird about that.

 

It's all good. I'm used to the "concerned" Camden citizens screaming at me... Sounds like there's already a few of us for sure on the 5th, and I'm going to forward the info to my range members.

It's all good. I'm used to the "concerned" Camden citizens screaming at me... Sounds like there's already a few of us for sure on the 5th, and I'm going to forward the info to my range members.

 

Considering taking the speedline. Anyone know if this is a good idea? I have no clue if it will take me close-by.

 

 

Considering taking the speedline. Anyone know if this is a good idea? I have no clue if it will take me close-by.

I would stay away from most public transportation going into Camden

Do not do this. As a soldier you are allowed to attend rallies, but not in uniform.

5 U.S.C. 301, 10 U.S.C. 772.

 

(a) Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). The wearing of the uniform is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:

 

(1) At any meeting or demonstration which is a function of, or sponsored by an organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons which the Attorney General of the United States has designated, pursuant to E.O. 10450 as amended, as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive, or as having adopted a policy of advocating or approving the commission of acts of force or violence to deny others their rights under The Constitution of the United States, or as seeking to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means.

(2) During or in connection with the furtherance of political activities, private employment or commercial interests, when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest could be drawn.

(3) Except when authorized by competent Service authority, when participating in activities such as public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstrations (including those pertaining to civil rights), which may imply Service Sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted.

(4) When wearing of the uniform would tend to bring discredit upon the Armed Forces.

(5) When specifically prohibited by regulations of the department concerned.

 

Don't mean to be a D*ck, but sometimes the stripes still come out. Forget about your CO. You'll have to answer to me first.

 

 

 

But in all seriousness, don't do it. We can have our own opinions out of uniform but we stand as one when we wear it.

 

I'm not going to do it, but I guess I didn't consider it "political" in that it's not party specific . . . more of an educational forum. I'm curious about the "inference of official sponsorship" part, though. Without being too specific about where I am, the CO would probably be the one to bust me in this case. On a side note, I'm pretty sure he's very pro second amendment.

 

It is mine. I bought the pistol. The grips were a gift when I got promoted to Sergeant First Class.

 

I don't tend to puff up my chest here, but I guess I have to come out of the closet. I've been in the military in one form or another since 1993. Army. Guard. Infantry. I don't tend to brag about it, or even talk about it. It's just something I do on the weekends now. I served in Iraq. So did 1.4 million other people. I'm not special.

 

Soldiers might have protested back in the 1960's but odds are that they were really vets who wore pieces of their uniforms. If they protested in uniform the penalties would probably have been much higher, especially since Army didn't pussyfoot around with discipline back then.

 

I was in Iraq for a year myself but not as a green suiter. If we can move 1.4 million people to the middle east and back (don't forget R&R trips), we can easily send illegal foreign nationals back to the home countries they think the US should emulate . . . I digress.

 

You can be wearing things that let people know you are in the military though.

 

I have a unit T-shirt I like to wear for things like that.

 

 

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Maybe the "high and tight" will make it obvious.

 

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Unit t-shirt is just fine. But you better be wearing your eyepro and PT belt.

 

On the other hand, I was thinking birkenstocks and an "I heart Berkeley" t-shirt might go a long way to fighting the image the media want to portray.

Whoever does go should include Tom Gresham's message of, "We will not be scapegoated", in whatever comments you make.

Considering taking the speedline. Anyone know if this is a good idea? I have no clue if it will take me close-by.

 

I'm guessing you are thinking of picking it up at Woodcrest? Once at Broadway, quick walk into Rutgers campus.

I'm guessing you are thinking of picking it up at Woodcrest? Once at Broadway, quick walk into Rutgers campus.

 

No, Lindenwald Station, it's 3 blocks from my house.

My message is that the individuals and the behaviors targeted by 99 percent of the proposed legislation are entirely unrelated to freak events like the CT shooting. I would like to emphasize that the measures proposed would be completely ignored by criminals. From a practical standpoint, I would emphasize that I have total confidence that Federal government is best poised to limit our second amendment rights.

 

Whoever does go should include Tom Gresham's message of, "We will not be scapegoated", in whatever comments you make.