Barrier Penetrating Tear Gas munitions .. it's a hazard..but Sorry when a guy is actively engaging you with MG fire, it's about time to stop being all that concerned with HIS welfare. FFS you guys are acting like they waltzed up with gas cans and bics...But hey...it was only a couple of cops, and Cop's family members that were killed after all....right???

 

Cops are supposed to be the good guys.

 

I think people are taking out their hatred of politicians and govt on all things govt, like police. I have some black friends on facebook that never heard of WACO that are screaming the same things we heard back then.

Here is my take on Dorner. His ability to rationalize was compromised by his liberal thought process. That said, good or bad, what he did was to leave people no other choice but to listen to his plight. Sadly had he not shot these people would anyone ever know about what happened to him, not a chance. It is sad in our society that someone feels they need to go to such despicable lengths to be heard. What he did does not however change the facts if the LAPD indeed retaliated against him for being a whistle blower. If his allegations are true there needs to be consequences for those that would drive someone to such lengths to be heard. To continue to deny a problem exists, if one does, is to do nothing but wait for the next person to snap after having their lives ruined in retaliation for having tried to do the right thing.

If there is anything we can learn from Chris Dorner: it's how effective one guy with a rifle and some training can be. Imagine if he didn't reveal that he was the one doing this stuff, and pulled a similar thing to the DC sniper? Taking out targets, waiting in ambush...

 

One man can really give a police force a hard time if they wanted to. Cops would have to choose between splitting up and trying to track them down, or sticking together and covering less territory for safety.

Here is my take on Dorner. His ability to rationalize was compromised by his liberal thought process. That said, good or bad, what he did was to leave people no other choice but to listen to his plight. Sadly had he not shot these people would anyone ever know about what happened to him, not a chance. It is sad in our society that someone feels they need to go to such despicable lengths to be heard. What he did does not however change the facts if the LAPD indeed retaliated against him for being a whistle blower. If his allegations are true there needs to be consequences for those that would drive someone to such lengths to be heard. To continue to deny a problem exists, if one does, is to do nothing but wait for the next person to snap after having their lives ruined in retaliation for having tried to do the right thing.

 

Agreed.

 

There is no justification for Dorner taking the lives of innocent people. That was a tragic and unnecessary decision that he made at some point or another after everything that happened to him.

 

I do, however, feel that something needs to be done about police corruption, especially in areas like LA where it seems to be a rampant problem.

 

There also needs to be more accountability for officers that make terrible decisions (like shoot women just because they are driving a pickup truck). It seems like in 99% of these cases the officers are put on paid administrative leave and then cleared some time later to go back on the streets.

 

I hope that the LAPD does the right thing and starts to investigate their own people, and at the very least fire the officers involved in both shootings that targeted innocent civilians during this fiasco.

I have some black friends on facebook that never heard of WACO that are screaming the same things we heard back then.

 

Have them look up the MOVE bombing.

 

 

 

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BUT, there's more to the story than the media is telling us.

 

 

 

Never heard that before ...............

Is Cryan's claim that he used a .50 Barrett true?

I like how the chief is claiming the burning was accidental when they can clearly be heard discussing it burning down beforehand.

 

If burning out a fugitive is now legal, then let's just get that on the table. I mean, despite how desperately they wanted to kill the man and how much he deserved it, how are these actions any different than a lynch mob?

I like how the chief is claiming the burning was accidental when they can clearly be heard discussing it burning down beforehand.

 

If burning out a fugitive is now legal, then let's just get that on the table. I mean, despite how desperately they wanted to kill the man and how much he deserved it, how are these actions any different than a lynch mob?

 

If the guy is suspected of killing several innocent civilians, is firing at you with automatic weapons, and it is known that he is in the building by himself with no hostages... burn the place down. If he dies so be it. He stated in his manifesto he wouldn't live through this, he knew the risk. When the place started to burn he could have surrendered, he chose not to. Probably a good choice because I'm sure the LEOs would have riddled him with bullets if he surrendered.

 

Let's be honest, his claims about what went on at the LAPD are likely true. Everyone knows the blue wall of silence exists and if you cross it you're screwed. Same goes for the streets, snitches get stitches. However, the difference is that police aren't supposed to behave like thugs on the street. If what has been reported is true, this guy tried to do the right thing and blew the whistle, it cost him his livelihood. His actions afterward don't shock me [i'm not condoning them]. They probably wouldn't shock a mental health professional either. People tend to behave irrationally when they suffer a sudden and complete loss of their identity. Losing his career in law enforcement and the military was probably devastating.

I agree completely with TK421.

 

I feel as if this massacre will be used as more fodder for anti-gun legislation, instead of looking at the corrupt activities of certain government/police groups who sweep some things under the rug, like with the Kelly Thomas case. It's horrible that Dorner had to take it that far though.

 

My condolences go out to the victims' families.

... However, the difference is that police aren't supposed to behave like thugs on the street...

 

Arson is insufficient to meet your definition of thuggery?

If the guy is suspected of killing several innocent civilians, is firing at you with automatic weapons, and it is known that he is in the building by himself with no hostages... burn the place down. If he dies so be it.

 

I'm not comfortable allowing police to decide who is eligible for a field execution. He was a despicable human and deserved to die...it's not up to the police to make that decision. Had he wandered out of there hands in the air, they would have killed him anyway. It's clear that a department that is willing to ram vehicles off the road and shoot at them without positive identification is out of control. Deliberately burning down the building and then going on TV to lie about it is further proof.

I'm not comfortable allowing police to decide who is eligible for a field execution. He was a despicable human and deserved to die...it's not up to the police to make that decision. Had he wandered out of there hands in the air, they would have killed him anyway. It's clear that a department that is willing to ram vehicles off the road and shoot at them without positive identification is out of control. Deliberately burning down the building and then going on TV to lie about it is further proof.

 

Well said. Since the guy was apparently an avowed liberal, I bet there will be a full federal investigation.

Sorry but cops deserve the right to come home for dinner as much as anyone. When you make the decision to play guns with the police or any armed citizen you have accepted your fate. The notion of civility and gun play is nonsense. You've voted yourself off earth when you removed the gun from the holster.

Sorry but cops deserve the right to come home for dinner as much as anyone. When you make the decision to play guns with the police or any armed citizen you have accepted youre fate. The notion of civility and gun play is nonsense. You've voted yourself off earth when you removed the gun from the holster.

 

 

Here's where we are headed:

 

I'm not comfortable allowing police to decide who is eligible for a field execution. He was a despicable human and deserved to die...it's not up to the police to make that decision. Had he wandered out of there hands in the air, they would have killed him anyway. It's clear that a department that is willing to ram vehicles off the road and shoot at them without positive identification is out of control. Deliberately burning down the building and then going on TV to lie about it is further proof.

 

If we believe the news reports this wasn't some guy holed up in a cabin hiding out. He wasn't looking for a judgment by jury. He was actively firing at the police with automatic weapons. He had just shot two police officers, killing one of them and had previously stated he was willing to die so we can assume he wasn't giving up. Would you have rather they just tried to wait him out? Letting night fall and possibly increasing his odds of escape?

 

Which department are you referring to? Was is the LAPD who were at the cabin or the sheriffs and CHP? How the LAPD responded by shooting at trucks, etc has nothing to do with how this ended at the cabin. However, the LAPDs response is telling. People do stupid things without understanding the situation when they are running on fear. If the S ever does HTF it's going to be a complete free for all.

Arson is insufficient to meet your definition of thuggery?

 

When viewed in the context of the situation, which you are conveniently ignoring, not exactly.

The house he was holed up in apparently was not his.

 

If some ahole runs into your house and holes up, would you be a fan of the cops buring the place down?

If there is anything we can learn from Chris Dorner: it's how effective one guy with a rifle and some training can be. Imagine if he didn't reveal that he was the one doing this stuff, and pulled a similar thing to the DC sniper? Taking out targets, waiting in ambush...

 

One man can really give a police force a hard time if they wanted to. Cops would have to choose between splitting up and trying to track them down, or sticking together and covering less territory for safety.

 

Yup.

Sorry but cops deserve the right to come home for dinner as much as anyone. When you make the decision to play guns with the police or any armed citizen you have accepted your fate. The notion of civility and gun play is nonsense. You've voted yourself off earth when you removed the gun from the holster.

 

As did a cop at the scene.

If some ahole runs into your house and holes up, would you be a fan of the cops buring the place down?

 

Is that a serious question? Being a fan of it and understanding why it was done are two different things.

I guess the majority of the forum is in favor of vigilante justice rather than the law of the land and innocent until proven guilty by a jury or judge, of which the police are neither.

 

Do I think he met the right end, yes. Do I approve of the tactics, no.

Is that a serious question? Being a fan of it and understanding why it was done are two different things.

 

There IS NO VALID reason why it was done. He was reportedly alone, and unable to escape. They had him. No need to destroy someone's house. But this IS the LAPD we're talking about... shoot first, ask questions later.

 

Just like at Waco- they could have arrested that guy any day of the week, easily, in town. But no- they wanted a big show, so they waited until he was at the compound and called in the SEALS. gross abuse of power and needless loss of life.

I guess the majority of the forum is in favor of vigilante justice rather than the law of the land and innocent until proven guilty by a jury or judge, of which the police are neither.

 

Do I think he met the right end, yes. Do I approve of the tactics, no.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree. I think we all agree he came to the end he created for himself. The tactics used by the police were unnecessary and excessive.

You're barking up the wrong tree. I think we all agree he came to the end he created for himself. The tactics used by the police were unnecessary and excessive.

 

This guy fled from his stolen truck. He could not have been carrying much at that point in the way of firearm, ammunition and provisions. It was early in the day and there was sufficient time to surround and secure the location and either wait him out to tactfully move in. They had him boxed in and simply wanted him dead. This is a valuable lesson for the next guy. What has the next scumbag learned today? Don't announce your intentions or provide them with enough information to identify who you are before you have been able to create sufficient havoc.

There IS NO VALID reason why it was done. He was reportedly alone, and unable to escape. They had him. No need to destroy someone's house. But this IS the LAPD we're talking about... shoot first, ask questions later.

 

Just like at Waco- they could have arrested that guy any day of the week, easily, in town. But no- they wanted a big show, so they waited until he was at the compound and called in the SEALS. gross abuse of power and needless loss of life.

 

Actually, it IS NOT the LAPD we are talking about. It is the San Bernadino Sheriffs.

 

WACO is not comparable with this situation. This was one lone active shooter according to all reports. WACO was a compound with women and children inside and it was unclear if they were all willing participants. Also, the original intent of the ATF for showing up was questionable. Navy SEALS at WACO? WTF are you talking about?

 

Time for some fact checking. Please provide some sources for your claims regarding the LAPD burning down the cabin and SEALS being present at the WACO seige.

No, I don't. He killed inocent people so his arguement is irrelivant.

 

here's the sad thing, we all know his name but nobody knows the names of the people he killed

 

eff him and his cry-baby story

Is that a serious question? Being a fan of it and understanding why it was done are two different things.

 

I can honestly state that I could not "understand" the cops burning my house down under any circumstances. I don't care if Osama, Stalin, Hitler, Cryan and the Devil himself were playing poker at my kitchen table.

 

This is LEO out of control and working off emotion. Everything in this country now happens based on emotion instead of reason.

Actually, it IS NOT the LAPD we are talking about. It is the San Bernadino Sheriffs.

 

WACO is not comparable with this situation. This was one lone active shooter according to all reports. WACO was a compound with women and children inside and it was unclear if they were all willing participants. Also, the original intent of the ATF for showing up was questionable. Navy SEALS at WACO? WTF are you talking about?

 

Time for some fact checking. Please provide some sources for your claims regarding the LAPD burning down the cabin and SEALS being present at the WACO seige.

 

My apologies for confusing the trigger-happy LAPD with the arsonist San Bernadino sheriffs dept.

 

Navy Seals and Delta at Waco: (just to get you started, you can do your own digging)

 

http://prorev.com/waco.htm

I suppose some members thinks cops should carry a violence de-esclation kit of rainbow sprinkle donuts and glitter farting unicorns when chasing a guy who has already demonstrated the capacity to take multiple lives in addition to taking hostages and carjacking after finishing a bowl of cheerios.