When has intentionally setting fire to a building become an accepted practice of apprehension/threat elimination? Im not defending dorner by any means, but i fear the negative precedent this will set regarding pd dealing with hostile situations and abandonment of due process. Would they have executed the smoke out if he killed civilians only and not cops?

 

Right i mean they walked up to the front door with a gas can and bic lighter...while under fire.. I really think that some of you guys would die if breathing wasnt an involuntary Function

 

Right i mean they walked up to the front door with a gas can and bic lighter...while under fire.. I really think that some of you guys would die if breathing wasnt an involuntary Function

 

lol

 

Right i mean they walked up to the front door with a gas can and bic lighter...while under fire.. I really think that some of you guys would die if breathing wasnt an involuntary Function

 

Alan, you're now #2 on the list that need to come over here and clean my effin screen.

 

 

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lets think about it like this...if youre the victim of a home invasion..by a repeat offender...who "has already demonstrated the capacity to take multiple lives"...you are supposed to hide in a corner and hope he doesnt see you takes what he wants...maybe your wife or daughter...and leaves... if you use force you are a criminal and will spend alot of time and money trying to spend years in jail.....now a badge on the other hand gives carte blanche to shoot up wrong make model and color vehicles with white women instead of a black man.....then burn alive...what if there were other people in the house?...what if there were....KIDS in either the truck wrongfully swiss cheesed or the house turned into ash?...ehhh its ok..."they were under alot of stress"....please...

 

 

Please show me the law that states I must retreat in my own home without the use of deadly force while defending my family when imminent danger, loss of life or limb is clear and present.

 

They did screw up with the pickup truck and heads will be served up for that. I can't/don't see how the cops were in the wrong returning fire or flat out wasting the POS after he initiated fire first, killed or wounded anyone, carjacked, robbed, kidnapped, crashed, ran on foot while engaging, returned more fire until cornered in the home where the he finally OD probably on his own lead.

 

SBCS has my complete support on this matter. They acted in a manner to stop armed aggression and to protect lives. I would hope cops here would do the same if it happened here.

 

Conspiracy theories abound! Next you're telling me some bullsht like I'm spraying CHEMTRAILS with the KC-10 to employ government mind control.

 

Right i mean they walked up to the front door with a gas can and bic lighter...while under fire.. I really think that some of you guys would die if breathing wasnt an involuntary Function

 

So i guess "burn him out" is an interchangeable term in regards to smoke? Theres a bit of audio that seems to lay out there intention prior to the house catching fire.. but yeah l, i figured gas and bic lighters where how they went about setting the house on fire. Frankly im surprised youre capable of breathing yourself with your head firmly lodged up your waste hole.

FFS, we don't have enough enemies to worry about, we need to treat each other like crap too?

 

How about we agree that whats his name was a douche and that various California PDs are prone to the occasional abuse and overreaction and worry about crap in our own state. They may be in our sphere of interest but they are not in our sphere of influence so calling each other names does no one any good.

 

I'm as prone as anyone else to bang on a keyboard all night because I have to prove that someone on the Internet is wrong, but right now we should be spending our time fighting the stuff in our own backyard.

Right i mean they walked up to the front door with a gas can and bic lighter...while under fire.. I really think that some of you guys would die if breathing wasnt an involuntary Function

 

Defecation might be considered involuntary too, but that doesn't mean some people's heads aren't still firmly packed.

 

I still keep reading that the thing they shot into that house had "incendiary" in the title. Is there some secret connotation for that term in law enforcement circles?

Right i mean they walked up to the front door with a gas can and bic lighter...while under fire.. I really think that some of you guys would die if breathing wasnt an involuntary Function

Not gonna lie, when i first got news they had him cornered.. first though was burn that sh!t down! Reports came in that the "intruder" already shot 2 cops once fleeing and then trying to escape. Your right to due process is irrelevant when your actively in the process of killing innocent people. Why are you going to risk 1 more person dying, when a house can be rebuilt.

... that various California PDs are prone to the occasional abuse and overreaction and worry about crap in our own state...

 

It could perhaps be argued that even in our glorious state the situation is less than perfect.

 

 

 

Please show me the law that states I must retreat in my own home without the use of deadly force while defending my family when imminent danger, loss of life or limb is clear and present.

 

They did screw up with the pickup truck and heads will be served up for that. I can't/don't see how the cops were in the wrong returning fire or flat out wasting the POS after he initiated fire first, killed or wounded anyone, carjacked, robbed, kidnapped, crashed, ran on foot while engaging, returned more fire until cornered in the home where the he finally OD probably on his own lead.

 

 

SBCS has my complete support on this matter. They acted in a manner to stop armed aggression and to protect lives. I would hope cops here would do the same if it happened here.

 

Conspiracy theories abound! Next you're telling me some bullsht like I'm spraying CHEMTRAILS with the KC-10 to employ government mind control.

 Please show me the law that states we have castle doctrine?......we have this  2C:3-4. Use of force in self-protection.  (2)     The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily harm; nor is it justifiable if:

     (b)     The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take

sounds rock solid....I'm reading it and it's telling me it's not justifiable and I should just give them whatever they ask for /demand....As I said ...spend alt of time and money fighting to stay out of jail....or does common sense magically appear in this case in nj courts when it's Mia the rest of the time?

And who's talking chemtrails..... Oh please post the tin foil hat !... Thats always a brilliant rebuttal Lol

(b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto

 

If I am reading this properly, if a guy breaks into your house and you point your gun at him, the best thing to do under NJ law is to give it to him if he asks you for it...

Please show me the law that states we have castle doctrine?......we have this 2C:3-4. Use of force in self-protection. [b.] (2) The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily harm; nor is it justifiable if:

 

 

It helps if you cite the proper section. 2C:3-4 c. deals with use of force, IN THE HOME.

c. (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:3-5, N.J.S.2C:3-9, or this section, the use of force or deadly force upon or toward an intruder who is unlawfully in a dwelling is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that the force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself or other persons in the dwelling against the use of unlawful force by the intruder on the present occasion.

 

(2)A reasonable belief exists when the actor, to protect himself or a third person, was in his own dwelling at the time of the offense or was privileged to be thereon and the encounter between the actor and intruder was sudden and unexpected, compelling the actor to act instantly and:

 

(a)The actor reasonably believed that the intruder would inflict personal injury upon the actor or others in the dwelling; or

 

(b)The actor demanded that the intruder disarm, surrender or withdraw, and the intruder refused to do so.

 

(3)An actor employing protective force may estimate the necessity of using force when the force is used, without retreating, surrendering possession, withdrawing or doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do or abstaining from any lawful action.

It helps if you cite the proper section. 2C:3-4 c. deals with use of force, IN THE HOME.

 

I was just going to say the same thing.

 

Also it may be helpful to re-read smoe_picka's question as stated before bringing up Castle Doctrine:

 

Please show me the law that states I must retreat in my own home without the use of deadly force while defending my family when imminent danger, loss of life or limb is clear and present.

 

He request has nothing to do with CD as he was not asking about property theft or damage, but instead personal safety while in his home.

It helps if you cite the proper section. 2C:3-4 c. deals with use of force, IN THE HOME.

 

Thank you QH. I found it for myself but figured I'd afford someone the chance to ingest a foot. If you can sit there convinced that you can't protect yourself during a break in/home invasion than I'm afraid I'm at a loss for words. Let me know your hat size so I can mail you a nice TIN FOIL HELMET.

I Never said I would not protect myself or family in any situation based on bs nj laws.... Simply that you will have to spend a good bit of time and money to prove your innocence in court ....guilty until proven innocent is the nj way

I Never said I would not protect myself or family in any situation based on bs nj laws.... Simply that you will have to spend a good bit of time and money to prove your innocence in court ....guilty until proven innocent is the nj way

Are there many cases on record where a NJ resident used lethal force against an intruder and was subsequently charged with a crime? It often comes up in conversation that you risk prosecution if you use lethal force in your home but no one ever cites actual examples.

Are there many cases on record where a NJ resident used lethal force against an intruder and was subsequently charged with a crime? It often comes up in conversation that you risk prosecution if you use lethal force in your home but no one ever cites actual examples.

 

GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE With your actual Facts and Stuff dammit...you might actually educate people with that crap!!!!!!