No matter the outcome of the Senate the responsibility lies on the governor and he has remained pretty tight lipped about what he will do. We need to determine exactly how he feels about the citizens of this state and how much he cares about our rights. Keep the pressure on him, be sure to vote in upcoming elections, and as a last ditch effort you need to realize that moving to another state will most likely be the best option anyway.

 

EDIT: I was on 101.5 and I saw this, it is a little comforting anyway:

Christie’s Thoughts On The Legislation

 

Yesterday, Christie was asked about the gun bills after accepting a re-election endorsement from Sea Bright Mayor Dina Long.

“I’m a little surprised at how quickly they’ve done it,” said Christie. “This is a very difficult issue and a complex one and one that our national government has taken a long time to look at and study. It’s amazing to me how quickly the Assembly can move when they want to.”

The Governor promises to give the gun bills “due consideration” if they reach his desk.

“I have said in the past I think we are cheating ourselves if all we do is talk about the mechanics of gun control,” explained Christie. “We better start talking about mental health treatment and making mental health treatment more available and less stigmatized in our society.”

 

 

Here is what I just sent him.

 

 

Dear Mr. Christie,

As a lifelong resident of New Jersey and a gun owner I am writing in response to the proposed bills that are being considered. I hope you are aware of the theatrics involved as the assembly tried to rush 20 poorly written bills through the system so they can pat themselves on the back and believe they prevented a crime.

 

If passed these bills will further restrict the rights of responsible citizens and create obstacles for those who expect the right and ability to defend themselves. Criminals will not be detered and will continue to ignore our current laws.

 

My question is straightforward. Will you support the freedom demanded by citizens of this state by vetoing these proposed bills or do you support laws that ammount to a blatant power grab by the government which will undermine the rights and security provided to citizens and protected under the constitution?

 

Once again, as a legal owner I am familiar with how difficult it currently is to own a gun in NJ. If further restrictions are passed many of us will feel forced to move to another state that respects their citzens right to own and bear arms and recognizes that strict gun control laws enable the criminal element.

Christie will sign some of the bills, count on it. Probably not all of them, but some, certainly. I suspect Mag caps and mental health records will sail through. Any of them that require more databases to track people or renewal of cards and such will get vetod on the guise of "cant' justify the spending".

Im HOPING that he doesn't sign any of them, on the premise that his special investigation team hasnt spoke on the subject yet.

Christie will sign some of the bills, count on it. Probably not all of them, but some, certainly. I suspect Mag caps and mental health records will sail through. Any of them that require more databases to track people or renewal of cards and such will get vetod on the guise of "cant' justify the spending".

 

10 rounds received 29 "Nay" votes, too many for the Democrats to override a veto. My guess is he vetoes it, and I was 50-50 or so before. Christie is calling the shots, and he's not going to ask his troops to go out on a limb for him and then saw off the limb.

 

Don't know about mental health. How many "Nays" were there?

We know there are those who want all of them, but how much more are we as responsible owners willing to give them? How much is enough? What will they demand the next time a tragedy like newtown takes place?

 

Unfortunately it seems like there will never be an end in sight in this state, I am tired of their attempts to turn us all into criminals. I hope to have the means to move to PA by next year, I think it will be safe over there for a while yet.

As per NJ2AS:

 

In an effort to increase our chances at getting a face to face meeting with NJ2AS President Frank Fiamingo and Governor Christie, NJ2AS is encouraging members to engage in a hand written letter campaign. We are also asking you contact Senate President Steve Sweeney to request a meeting with Frank as well. Hand written letter typically get more attention.

 

We recommend following the following guide lines:

 

Letters should be hand written and brief, simply stating that as a law abiding NJ resident you respectfully request Frank Fiamingo meet with them. Letters should be written on clean stationary in black or blue ink. No jagged edge or perforated notebook type paper. Envelopes should also be hand addressed in the same color ink as you wrote your letter. Remember to include your name with your return address. For maximum impact, we suggest sending the letter "certified" with a signature required. If you cannot make it to the post office, a traditional stamped envelope will work.

 

An example of a letter/format:

 

My Name

123 Main Street

Anytown, NJ 00000

 

February 21, 2013

 

Governor Chris Christie

Office of the Governor

PO Box 001

Trenton, NJ 08625

 

 

Dear Governor Christie,

 

My name is John Doe, a resident of Anytown, NJ. In light of the recent efforts in the NJ Assembly to enact further gun control legislation that does not address the true issue of violence in NJ, I respectfully ask you meet with Mr. Frank J. Fiamingo, president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society for a discussion on how New Jersey's gun laws negatively impact law abiding citizens.

 

This issue is very important to me as a citizen of NJ.

 

Respectfully,

John Doe

 

 

 

Addresses:

 

Senator Stephen M. Sweeney

Senate President

935 Kings Highway

Suite 400

West Deptford, NJ 08086

 

Governor Chris Christie

Office of the Governor

PO Box 001

Trenton, NJ 08625

 

NJ2AS has calls into Senator Sweeney and Governor Christie's offices requesting meetings. It is gong to take your letters to greatly increase the chance Frank gets to meet with them before it is too late!

 

Yours in liberty,

NJ2AS

I'm inclined to agree with Malsua's points. He'll sign some, definitely the 10 round mag limit and most likely the mental health records. I do think that he would also sign the FAID renewal bill also. From a fiscal standpoint, every 5 years the state will get fee's sent to them from current FAID holders. They don't get that now. Think of it as the same as drivers license renewal's......if the state can get some $$ from it, they are going to do it.

 

EDIT: Thanks for posting that info Mosin Fan.

Thanks for the post Mosin Fan, I will be sure to draft something this evening.

As far as mag caps are concerned, I'm trying to think of an angle that would appeal to intelligence and common sense in a letter to Christie. Maybe something like: "NJ already has a 15 round cap limit, far more restrictive than 90% of US states. There is no research whatsoever that shows a decrease in gun-related crime at a 15 round mag capacity, so how would a 10 round mag capacity help? What would a decrease to 10 rounds accomplish other than criminalizing current law-abiding gun owners? Many rifles and pistols legitimately used in target sports and hunting have standard mag capacities exceeding 10 rounds. Don't punish law-abiding gun owners, hunters and target sports enthusiasts for the acts of criminals."

Things are getting out of hand when NJ thinks that we need stronger gun restrictions. Did everyone in this state drink the kool-aid? Going to have a hard time convincing the wife that we need to move to Texas.

 

The truth is Christie is going to make a run for Pres. so he has to do something otherwise the Dems will use it to shut him down before he even gets going. Could be why the dems are even pushing for more laws. This way he is screwed either way. JM2C

Maybe something like: "NJ already has a 15 round cap limit, far more restrictive than 90% of US states.

 

"NJ has a 15-round limit, which is already more restrictive then every other state except the Democratic strongholds of NY, CA, MA, and CT"

 

Tie it to politics.

10 rounds received 29 "Nay" votes, too many for the Democrats to override a veto. My guess is he vetoes it, and I was 50-50 or so before. Christie is calling the shots, and he's not going to ask his troops to go out on a limb for him and then saw off the limb.

 

Don't know about mental health. How many "Nays" were there?

 

From my notes:

 

A3754 3rd reading mental health - firearms seizure

Y46 N29 A0

 

Not limited to doctors:

If a licensed practitioner of psychology, psychiatry, medicine, nursing, clinical social work or marriage counseling who is currently providing treatment services determines, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, that the patient is likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others, the licensee shall report, as soon as practicable to the Attorney General the patient’s name and other non-clinical identifying information which the Attorney General shall only use to determine whether the patient has been issued a firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, or any other permit or license authorizing possession of a firearm. If the patient has been issued a card or permit, the Attorney General shall arrange for any firearm possessed by the patient to be seized pending a hearing. The Attorney General shall issue guidelines governing the seizure of firearms pursuant to this subsection

 

Also provides civil immunity to the mental health professional who reported the person

Yesterday's proceedings made clear that none of this has anything to do with logic or common sense. It's all politics. I don't know how to play that game.

 

Cryan continues to introduce new and crazier bills. He's basically trying to outdo NYS point by point. I don't know when the avalanche will ever stop. I wonder if they're purposely staggering them to take advantage that putting some in front of Christie early capitalizes on the Newtown tragedy, while putting some in front of him in November, gives them something to campaign against in the general election.

From my notes:

 

A3754 3rd reading mental health - firearms seizure

Y46 N29 A0

 

Not limited to doctors:

If a licensed practitioner of psychology, psychiatry, medicine, nursing, clinical social work or marriage counseling who is currently providing treatment services determines, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, that the patient is likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others, the licensee shall report, as soon as practicable to the Attorney General the patient’s name and other non-clinical identifying information which the Attorney General shall only use to determine whether the patient has been issued a firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, or any other permit or license authorizing possession of a firearm. If the patient has been issued a card or permit, the Attorney General shall arrange for any firearm possessed by the patient to be seized pending a hearing. The Attorney General shall issue guidelines governing the seizure of firearms pursuant to this subsection

 

Also provides civil immunity to the mental health professional who reported the person

 

One more mirror of the SAFE act. Actually, health professionals are already required by law to report dangerous patients, so this is redundant. I don't know about the seizure part. Right now, if they become disqualified, they have to turn in their guns anyway, right? So I'm not sure how this changes anything, except I guess theoretically, they can send in a SWAT team to trash the guy's house. That will go over well on Youtube.

One more mirror of the SAFE act. Actually, health professionals are already required by law to report dangerous patients, so this is redundant. I don't know about the seizure part. Right now, if they become disqualified, they have to turn in their guns anyway, right? So I'm not sure how this changes anything, except I guess theoretically, they can send in a SWAT team to trash the guy's house. That will go over well on Youtube.

Yup.....I'm gonna do what the NRA did in NJ back in the '90s..............Leave.

I thought I read somewhere today, but of course can't find it that Sweeney had said the Senate would not hear these until April. So could be some time before Christie sees them, and by then, I would imagine his task force will have something for him. What, God only knows.

 

 

From my notes:

 

A3754 3rd reading mental health - firearms seizure

Y46 N29 A0

 

Not limited to doctors:

If a licensed practitioner of psychology, psychiatry, medicine, nursing, clinical social work or marriage counseling who is currently providing treatment services determines, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, that the patient is likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others, the licensee shall report, as soon as practicable to the Attorney General the patient’s name and other non-clinical identifying information which the Attorney General shall only use to determine whether the patient has been issued a firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, or any other permit or license authorizing possession of a firearm. If the patient has been issued a card or permit, the Attorney General shall arrange for any firearm possessed by the patient to be seized pending a hearing. The Attorney General shall issue guidelines governing the seizure of firearms pursuant to this subsection

 

Also provides civil immunity to the mental health professional who reported the person

 

My goodness there are so many illegal and unconstitutional phrases in there it's sickening. It's also so vague that anything could be considered 'crazy'. "You believe in God"? CRAZY! You believe in freedom? Crazy! You're a conservative? Dangerous! If this bs passes it better be a wake up call to all of us that it's time to not comply!

I think Christie will veto the mag bill or at least ask for a grandfather clause. He HAS said.. NJ already has a mag restriction and that's 15 rounds from the standard 30. He's not stupid. He knows if he signs that as is..he's gonna piss a lot of people off!

 

Molon Labe

 

 

I'm inclined to agree with Malsua's points. He'll sign some, definitely the 10 round mag limit and most likely the mental health records. I do think that he would also sign the FAID renewal bill also. From a fiscal standpoint, every 5 years the state will get fee's sent to them from current FAID holders. They don't get that now. Think of it as the same as drivers license renewal's......if the state can get some $$ from it, they are going to do it.

 

EDIT: Thanks for posting that info Mosin Fan.

 

I don't think Christie will sign the renewal law. I sure as hell am not renewing my rights every five years and the more I think about it, having to purchase my initial card already seems illegal and should still be challenged. Whats to stop them from issuing freedom of speech ID's?

IMO............the Rhinosaurus will sign it .........Lawyer, Ex-Prosecutor, Govenor....all the ingredients for a NJ politician.

 

 

I don't think Christie will sign the renewal law. I sure as hell am not renewing my rights every five years and the more I think about it, having to purchase my initial card already seems illegal and should still be challenged. Whats to stop them from issuing freedom of speech ID's?

 

I agree it not a privilege it's a right! Why should we renew a constitution right??

I predict Christie vetoing most of the bills, and maybe signing a few of the more minor ones into law. I think if he signs the 10 round limit, he can kiss his 2016 presidential ambitions goodbye. He would be on every Republican's shit list and as a result, have no hope at grabbing the party nomination.

 

As far as the 5 year FID renewal is concerned, Christie is a fiscal conservative. True, the state would get more money from renewal application fees every 5 years, but think of the extra manpower that would be needed at the state police, local PD detective bureaus, and county mental health adjuster's offices to process all of the extra applications. Plus the money that would be needed to upgrade the FID to a photo ID system. I just don't see Christie justifying all of spending.

 

I have some faith in the big guy coming through for us, at least on the worst of the bills.

I want to write to all those that voted yea.

 

Thank you for voting to possibly making me a criminal by your vote on most of these anti gun bills passes by the Assembly on February 21, 2013.

 

Legislation that will do absolutely no good to curb gun violence, Make criminals of law biding citizens of the State of NJ, and trample on Second Amendment rights just so you can feel good, but do nothing that will actually curb gun violence.

 

What have you done today, that will remove illegal weapons from the gangs of Trenton, Camden, and Newark. How many of those gang members have Firearms Identification Cards, patronize legitimate and Legal Gun Shops. Please enforce the laws that are on the books now. These, that you voted on, will do nothing.

 

Remember that I will remember how you voted on these bills when it comes time for your reelection.

 

The truth is Christie is going to make a run for Pres. so he has to do something otherwise the Dems will use it to shut him down before he even gets going. Could be why the dems are even pushing for more laws. This way he is screwed either way. JM2C

 

Gun control is on the very bottom of voters concerns nationally. Dems and Obama think it's a big deal, most American do not.

 

 

10 rounds received 29 "Nay" votes, too many for the Democrats to override a veto. My guess is he vetoes it, and I was 50-50 or so before. Christie is calling the shots, and he's not going to ask his troops to go out on a limb for him and then saw off the limb.

 

Don't know about mental health. How many "Nays" were there?

 

I am not a law student, so correct me if I am wrong,

But how can you declare something illegal tomorrow that it is legal today in the state without buy back program?

Hopefully it will give enough grounds to veto some of these BS bills.

Case in point, my wife owns G19 that came with with two 15 round mags, that's her only self defense firearm.

Now it is impossible to find any 10 round mags, no backorders, so when 15 round mags will become illegal that effectively will render this firearm useless without extra expense on these new legal magazines.

So, this bill is clearly not thought thru ... What a surprise !!

Sadly a deal has most likely been orchestrated between Sweeny and Christie to allow Christie to veto said bills yet to allow the senate enough votes to overide his veto and the bills will become law, Christie will "look" strong against anti-gun issues for the 2016 run saving him on the national level and NJerseyains will once agind be screwed.

Sadly a deal has most likely been orchestrated between Sweeny and Christie to allow Christie to veto said bills yet to allow the senate enough votes to overide his veto and the bills will become law, Christie will "look" strong against anti-gun issues for the 2016 run saving him on the national level and NJerseyains will once agind be screwed.

 

I think we worry ourselves with to much speculation. Just keep writing and opposing and maybe he will get our message and start taking us seriously.

I am not a law student, so correct me if I am wrong,

But how can you declare something illegal tomorrow that it is legal today in the state without buy back program?

Hopefully it will give enough grounds to veto some of these BS bills.

Case in point, my wife owns G19 that came with with two 15 round mags, that's her only self defense firearm.

Now it is impossible to find any 10 round mags, no backorders, so when 15 round mags will become illegal that effectively will render this firearm useless without extra expense on these new legal magazines.

So, this bill is clearly not thought thru ... What a surprise !!

 

Even with a provison for just compensation you won't receive market value. The gubment will not be paying you Gunbroker prices, even if you bought the item off Gunbroker yourself.

Sadly a deal has most likely been orchestrated between Sweeny and Christie to allow Christie to veto said bills yet to allow the senate enough votes to overide his veto and the bills will become law, Christie will "look" strong against anti-gun issues for the 2016 run saving him on the national level and NJerseyains will once agind be screwed.

 

ABSOLUTE VETO The Governor's rejection of a proposed law passed by the Legislature. A bill vetoed in this manner cannot become law unless the Legislature overrides the veto by a vote of at least two-thirds of the members of each house. (27 votes in the Senate; 54 votes in the General Assembly)

 

 

It takes 2/3 of both houses, not just the NJ Senate.

 

The NJ Senate is "iffy" because the latest redistricting gerrymander put a couple of Democrats with name recognition into marginally-Republican districts. But 27 or more "Nay" votes in the Assembly makes an override unlikely. That's why it was important that 10-rounds received 29 "Nay" votes. As I've said, my two Assembly reps are soccer moms who I doubt can tell the difference between a 15-round magazine and a Pez dispenser. The only reason they would vote the way they did is because Christie told them to do it. The 29 "Nay" votes is a setup for a veto.

 

Sweeney is trying to avoid a Democrat bloodbath in the legislature races in November, that's all. The Democrats don't have the votes for an override in the Assembly. Nothing is going to become law unless Christie wants it to become law.