Been going to the range a couple of times a week lately and decided it's time to buy a decent bag for the guns, ammo, ears, etc. Before I decide on one I figure that in a state like NJ there must be several legal considerations such as ammo and guns in seperate compartments or lock on gun compartment etc. Any things like that I should know?

No locks necessary .....

 

firearms and ammo in separate compartments........

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good bag.. received one from my father for my birthday..

laaw does not dictate seperate compartments... law states gun must be unloaded... you can have a rubbermade bin filled with 20 loaded mags and an unloaded handgun.. legal..

g. All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b.,

subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried

unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package,

or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the

course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under

 

the circumstances.

 

the legal qualifier for a gun transport bag is that it is secure..

Any things like that I should know?

 

Nope. About the only thing to need to know when it comes to a bag, is that it closes, which pretty much every bag does. And if you have a vehicle with a trunk, it doesn't even need to be able to do that...

Interesting, as I recently took a course and they said the gun and the ammo must be in two physically separate bags. Got to love NJ gun laws where if you ask 50 people you get 52 answers.

Interesting, as I recently took a course and they said the gun and the ammo must be in two physically separate bags. Got to love NJ gun laws where if you ask 50 people you get 52 answers.

 

the one that is telling you the correct answer will be able to tell you the law that supports the response..

 

some things in NJ are clear.. they are literal.. and they are black and white..

for those things you can just literally read the law....

 

 

it makes for a fairly long read.. but if you get a minute read through the FAQs on this page.. it will fill in a lot of the blanks..

Nope. About the only thing to need to know when it comes to a bag, is that it closes, which pretty much every bag does. And if you have a vehicle with a trunk, it doesn't even need to be able to do that...

 

Yeah but I have a lot of junk in my trunk and I'd hate to scratch up my guns.

Thanks to all. I agree with vladtepes that seeing the actual reference is the best way to be sure, but I had been told the same as howard about seperate ammo and guns where there is no trunk (like a SUV). I did look up the laws too, and it seems to agree with vlad in that I didn't see any mention of locks or seperate compartments, but for some crazy reason it seemed way too lacking in complication and inconvenience to be true.

I will look into the Midways DSD1026 they get pretty good reviews.

Thanks to all. I agree with vladtepes that seeing the actual reference is the best way to be sure, but I had been told the same as howard about seperate ammo and guns where there is no trunk (like a SUV). I did look up the laws too, and it seems to agree with vlad in that I didn't see any mention of locks or seperate compartments, but for some crazy reason it seemed way too lacking in complication and inconvenience to be true.

I will look into the Midways DSD1026 they get pretty good reviews.

 

my advice is always this..

 

when the law is clear.. and tells you exactly what to do.. then simply follow it..

if the law is vague.. err on the side of caution..

The state police say separate containers but the statutes do not say that.

 

However there is no statutory definition of loaded in new jersey.

 

Which means the state police will probably argue that a gun is loaded if there is ammo with it in the same container. Would a judge agree? Maybe. Do you want to find out? No.

 

In PA a gun is loaded if a magazine containing ammo is in the same container unless the magazine is itself in a container such as a magazine holster.

 

The laws vary by state. Would be nice if we had it spelled out in statute here but we dont. If we did, they would probably enact the safety rule that a gun is always loaded and hence not transportable at all.

 

 

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The state police say separate containers but the statutes do not say that.

 

However there is no statutory definition of loaded in new jersey.

 

Which means the state police will probably argue that a gun is loaded if there is ammo with it in the same container. Would a judge agree? Maybe. Do you want to find out? No.

 

In PA a gun is loaded if a magazine containing ammo is in the same container unless the magazine is itself in a container such as a magazine holster.

 

The laws vary by state. Would be nice if we had it spelled out in statute here but we dont. If we did, they would probably enact the safety rule that a gun is always loaded and hence not transportable at all.

 

 

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if this were PA that would be relevant.. you follow the law for your state..

when I first moved to PA I have someone try to tell me a loaded mag meant a loaded gun..

 

I cleared that up for them..

I drive a Ford Ranger so I have no trunk. I usually pack my ammo in an ammo can with a lock. I put that in the bed of the truck. The guns go behind the passenger seat. Each gun case has a lock and the range bag they go in gets locked. Yes, it's overkill but there is no way a cop can say I had access to them.

Such a violation of our rights. You can't have access to YOUR property. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Such a violation of our rights. You can't have access to YOUR property. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

just to be clear.. the law does not state that..

 

the law states

 

*unloaded

*in trunk // case // or securely wrapped up

I agree that a loaded mag is not a loaded firearm the part with the serial number is the firearm. However, if the police, prosecutor, and jury don't agree with me your SOL. I'll keep my mags unloaded while transporting.

I agree that a loaded mag is not a loaded firearm the part with the serial number is the firearm. However, if the police, prosecutor, and jury don't agree with me your SOL. I'll keep my mags unloaded while transporting.

 

'Firearm' is defined in the statutes.

 

'Loaded/unloaded' is not however. (that I know of)

is something is defined.. that definition stands..

if something is not defined then one can only follow the logical definition of the words as written...

 

there is nothing in logic.. or wording to indicate anything other than a firearm is a firearm...

loaded mags are not illegal..

 

transport them unloaded if you like.. but they are not illegal..

Meanwhile, they road rager with a loaded pistol under his seat will cap yo ass while you open the trunk, put in a mag, and then defend yourself.

myself and some buddies were talking about transport the other day . . .not trying to be wise, but here was our debate . . .

 

one of the guys drives and SUV, lets just say he puts his locked pistol case in his range bag, ammo in the range bag and zips the bag shut, one unloaded mag in the pistol and the other in the gun case . . .legal or not???

What makes you think it wouldn't be?

 

It is not like because the gun is in a case, and a bag, that it is some sort of double negative and they cancel each other out.

What makes you think it wouldn't be?

 

It is not like because the gun is in a case, and a bag, that it is some sort of double negative and they cancel each other out.

 

fair enough . . .the debate was because he kept ammo in the range bag?

fair enough . . .the debate was because he kept ammo in the range bag?

 

Where else would you keep it? Rolling around on the seats?

 

Your confusion confuses me.

 

Where else would you keep it? Rolling around on the seats?

 

Your confusion confuses me.

 

ammo can . . .separate from the range bag???

Nappen says you can have the ammo banging into /laying on top of the gun...as long as it is NOT "IN" the gun it is not loaded.

Empty chamber, loaded mag IN the pistol, I'd have to agree with him.

It's not NJ but a NY judge defined "loaded" as possessing both the gun and sufficient ammo to discharge it. It could be 10 feet apart, still loaded.

 

Wacky wacky state. 

Some judge will construe an empty chamber, loaded mag in the pistol as a loaded gun.  This is not advisable. 

 

I think most people would construe that as a loaded gun. 

 

It's not NJ but a NY judge defined "loaded" as possessing both the gun and sufficient ammo to discharge it. It could be 10 feet apart, still loaded.

 

Wacky wacky state.

 

Sounds to me like the judge was a bit loaded. Seriously though, there's a disturbing trend in the judicial where judges are using their position to create laws rather than see to their proper enforcement. No body could issue a ruling like that on the basis of fact. He obviously came at it with an anti gun purpose.