I buy whereever is cheapest too... Always have whether it be guns and ammo or TP.... But i usually go to the same shop that ive built a "relationship" with... In part because of competitive pricing... So i understand both sides...

Read in the quote...

 

I have obviously hit a raw nerve here. I have to go back and see what I wrote that could have engendered so much animosity. I thought, and still think, that what I wrote was reasonable. Many of you object nevertheless. 

 

I said that FFLs have no incentive to change the current system. I did not say they were all evil. This is how the human race operates. 

 

Somebody makes $300 for paying someone $20/hr to work 1.5 or two hours. A loyal, long-standing customer. 

 

Instead of rehashing what you think I wrote about what you think you wrote about what I think I wrote, can you please address specific points? 

For example:

 

** If an FFL makes $300 from processing some transfers and charging for storage, is it out of line for me to complain? Or is this subject verboten? You guys like the Second Amendment alright. How about the First f*****g Amendment? I know, in forums like these, that nobody ever comes to anyone else's defense, but isn't anybody else "pist" about this subject? No, it's not out of line to complain. But why would you continue to shop there?

 

** Do we have an obligation to support vendors in every way, dealers who expect solidarity, loyalty, etc., when they exploit geography and proximity? Is there no way to provide some sort of feedback, through voluntary exchange, that does not define me as the reincarnation of Michael Bloomberg? Yes, we should support vendors if they deserve it. Do they care of you in other ways? Do they have good business etiquette? If you are not totally happy with them, express it to them and give them the chance to correct the problem or as I said above... shop elsewhere.

 

** Nobody answered my question about toilet paper, steak, etc. DOES ANYONE READING THIS PURPOSELY PAY 2X FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN GUNS AND AMMO?? And if you do, WHY??? - Maybe no choice... or don't care...

 

** I understand that FFLs have to make a living, that the paperwork is onerous, that a $20-30-35 transfer fee is close to unprofitable. But: Is the issue of loyalty, when it comes to prices for well-defined services, a one way street? What if they charged $100? $150? $200? When would rank-and-file posters begin to complain? Nope, complain and move on... this is where your posts are confusing. You complain but still will do biz with them. Move on and find someone else.

 

I would love to hear from people who are not FFLs, who understand WTF I'm trying to say here. And if anybody has anything to say in defense of these arguments, please stop being a pussy and write what's on your mind. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it.

 

What language am I posting in? 

 

I won't transfer guns through them. They are otherwise a very fine shop. Even if they were not, I am not going to drive all over creation looking to save 70 cents on a reel of fishing line.

Ok so lets just get this right.

 

You're only mad at your Shop for robbing you on a transfer and storage fee's.

 

You are not blaming ALL FFL's for the problems you encountered from the shop you deal with.

 

does that sound about right?

 

BTW in regards to the transfer fee's here's a good one.

I had a couple (Husband and wife) enter last night at 6:00 pm to transfer two handguns. This was the second visit to pickup after the nics was approved, they did not leave till 8:39pm

 

After the Q&A session was over i made about 40 bucks for 2 hours this visit and 1 hour for the first. at that same time others were coming in to transfer and i was unable to really give them the attention they deserved. Would you consider this a win or a loss.

 

My point is that some people come in and are out in 10 minutes others eat your time and pretty much don't want to leave.

OK then.... For a language though, Klingon would have been better. Seriously, a simple one or two line sentence from the get go would have been easier. But it entailed more than not doing transfers. You spoke of much more. Let it go at that. My head hurts.

 

What language am I posting in? 

 

I won't transfer guns through them. They are otherwise a very fine shop. Even if they were not, I am not going to drive all over creation looking to save 70 cents on a reel of fishing line.

Ok so lets just get this right.

 

You're only mad at your Shop for robbing you on a transfer and storage fee's.

 

You are not blaming ALL FFL's for the problems you encountered from the shop you deal with.

 

does that sound about right?

 

BTW in regards to the transfer fee's here's a good one.

I had a couple (Husband and wife) enter last night at 6:00 pm to transfer two handguns. This was the second visit to pickup after the nics was approved, they did not leave till 8:39pm

 

After the Q&A session was over i made about 40 bucks for 2 hours this visit and 1 hour for the first. at that same time others were coming in to transfer and i was unable to really give them the attention they deserved. Would you consider this a win or a loss.

 

My point is that some people come in and are out in 10 minutes others eat your time and pretty much don't want to leave.

 

$80 for 3 hours is not much compensation for a shop owner. Probably **OK** if you were paying someone $15/hr to do it. It's obvious that you realize that dawdling customers are part of doing a retail business. You "invested" your time to take care of a customer. If he appreciates that, maybe he comes in 3 months from now and orders $800 worth of gear or $300 of ammo and he's out the door in 20 minutes; maybe you never see him again. It sounds like your business may be limited to firearms, as Mr. Monmouth Arms. Tough living. I get it. The shop I was referring to is mostly hunting and fishing, and they're always busy. Maybe the gun business is a distraction for them.

$80 for 3 hours is not much compensation for a shop owner. Probably **OK** if you were paying someone $15/hr to do it. It's obvious that you realize that dawdling customers are part of doing a retail business. You "invested" your time to take care of a customer. If he appreciates that, maybe he comes in 3 months from now and orders $800 worth of gear or $300 of ammo and he's out the door in 20 minutes; maybe you never see him again. It sounds like your business may be limited to firearms, as Mr. Monmouth Arms. Tough living. I get it. The shop I was referring to is mostly hunting and fishing, and they're always busy. Maybe the gun business is a distraction for them.

 

 

lol i wish it was 80. it was 40.00 for both of them

God i hate those ppl who ask a thousand questions at gun shops... OMG read a book grab a magazine or look up on google... I already know what i want get outta the way...

Is it any different here?

 

God i hate those ppl who ask a thousand questions at gun shops... OMG read a book grab a magazine or look up on google... I already know what i want get outta the way...

 

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Is it any different here?

 

Alot different ... This is a forum for ppl to come and converse share experiences and learn from each other...

Not entirely.... People would rather not do any research and rather than do simple forum searches, even for some of the most recent topics, they'd rather have someone waste their time typing the same responses over and over again. On a nice note, some of the most brightest minds here will take the time to answer them over and over again when it would just be easier to point them to a link of another thread or ignore them at all.

 

Same for sales. I've seen countless times some person would say, " Hey! Stopped in Joe Pops Gun Store and they had a Sig P226 there at a good price". Then every Tom, Dick and Harry would ask this person, "Did they have this there and how much, and how many of these did they have"... That's pure laziness just like the forum search.

Rather than pick up the phone and call the store or stop in, they'll expect the guy that went to retain a full inventory and price list while he was there, like some cyborg brain.

 

That was my point in my comment.

 

 

Is it any different here?

 

Alot different ... This is a forum for ppl to come and converse share experiences and learn from each other...

 

 

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People don't want to find out anything. They just want to ask somebody. Trust me I deal with this all day. It's easier to ask than do any legwork on your own

You were all noobs at one point. Don't forget where you came from.

You were all noobs at one point. Don't forget where you came from.

There are absolutely NO ISSUES with new people. This is part of the reason the forum is here. To help new people.

 

Some members basically commented that a lot of people, ask the same questions over and over, and the answers are already there, however people would rather ask, instead of taking 30 seconds and doing a search for the answer on the forum... top right. =P Put in what you are looking for, hit enter, and voila. =)

 

Its like google.....

There are absolutely NO ISSUES with new people. This is part of the reason the forum is here. To help new people.

 

Some members basically commented that a lot of people, ask the same questions over and over, and the answers are already there, however people would rather ask, instead of taking 30 seconds and doing a search for the answer on the forum... top right. =P Put in what you are looking for, hit enter, and voila. =)

 

Its like google.....

 

 

Oh I think I get it. I have only been in the IT industry for 20 years. Being the forum "owner" you are well aware your search engine doesn't allow for certain words of certain lengths etc. So what you think should be 30 seconds may turn out to be longer because they need to search with different words which requires weeding through a bunch of posts in hopes to find something. Obviously this is what someone should try first, however this is a forum. It's a place to learn, ask questions, become more knowledgeable and maybe even make some friends. I'm still a noob when it comes to firearms but if I have the opportunity to answer a question for someone even if it was answered a thousand times, I'm game. That person walks away with info as well as feeling good about being in a friendly community that doesn't flame them for asking a question that has been answered before.

Speak for yourself. I had guns before there was a Google or Internet.

 

You were all noobs at one point. Don't forget where you came from.

 

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Still doesn't account for laziness. Not everyone falls into that niche.. But quite a few do, and on a regular basis. Some people just love their names up in lights. It has become a 'me me me world'. Ain't no different here.

 

Oh I think I get it. I have only been in the IT industry for 20 years. Being the forum "owner" you are well aware your search engine doesn't allow for certain words of certain lengths etc. So what you think should be 30 seconds may turn out to be longer because they need to search with different words which requires weeding through a bunch of posts in hopes to find something. Obviously this is what someone should try first, however this is a forum. It's a place to learn, ask questions, become more knowledgeable and maybe even make some friends. I'm still a noob when it comes to firearms but if I have the opportunity to answer a question for someone even if it was answered a thousand times, I'm game. That person walks away with info as well as feeling good about being in a friendly community that doesn't flame them for asking a question that has been answered before.

 

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Yea the search feature here is crappy...

I used the search bar lots of times and its crap.. Ppl on here get so defensive.. Its really off putting

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I had a couple (Husband and wife) enter last night at 6:00 pm to transfer two handguns. This was the second visit to pickup after the nics was approved, they did not leave till 8:39pm

 

After the Q&A session was over i made about 40 bucks for 2 hours this visit and 1 hour for the first. at that same time others were coming in to transfer and i was unable to really give them the attention they deserved. Would you consider this a win or a loss.

 

My point is that some people come in and....... don't want to leave.

I get this all the time at my shop (not a gun shop), where people have a million questions and just want all of your time. You really have to just tell them after a while that you have some other work to take care of, or you have to close or whatever. If not, some people just wont go. Its not being rude on your part, although I think its rude on their part. And you can do it in a very nice friendly way that wont insult them. Thats all part of retai..

I used the search bar lots of times and its crap.. Ppl on here get so defensive.. Its really off putting

Devil-man: The dealers and long-time members here are under a lot of stress. I'm just beginning to understand the situation. I'm new to handguns and this forum. Be cool. I'm trying to learn to be. It's not necessarily defensiveness, it's the same old arguments back and forth, issues that are not issues in most of the rest of the country.

I have to admit...I hit this topic hard and heavy at first.  But im starting to think thats its run its course now.....Dont you?