Hopefully this has not yet been done to death, but I'm fairly new here.

 

I understand the various mag limits by state, and I have various mags in various sizes that I use in NJ and PA both.  So, let's say hypothetically, if I use a 30-round AR mag at the PA private range, and then accidentally mix it up with my pinned 10-round that came with the rifle (NJ compliant), how would you handle that?

 

They look exactly the same.  Do you mark them with a sharpie?

 

Is someone in NJ running around testing mags to see if they will accept the 11th round (or 16th or whatever the case may be)?

It is up to the magazines owner to follow the laws of NJ regarding mag capacity. (15rnds) Your best bet would be to mark them appropriately and keep the 30s in PA and the remainder with you for NJ use. PD will not want to hear the excuse " I mixed it up by accident" Just cover your bases and youll be gtg. 

If it looks like a 30 rounder, you will attract unwanted attention

Even if it's pinned to hold only 10 :-(

If it looks like a 30 rounder, you will attract unwanted attention

Even if it's pinned to hold only 10 :-(

But that's how it came from the NJ FFL stockroom.  In fact, I was confused when I got it home why it would not accept more rounds.  All this is confusing.

 

I was also confused why the stock would not collapse until I read why here.

But that's how it came from the NJ FFL stockroom.  In fact, I was confused when I got it home why it would not accept more rounds.  All this is confusing.

 

I was also confused why the stock would not collapse until I read why here.

You need to read more and more before you get into something out of your hands

You do realize that mere possession of a magazine >15 rounds is a crime, don't you?

I understand it can be confusing. Your best bet is as the previous member said. Mark em, keep your 30's in PA and just understand the sheer liberal umbrella u are now under. Dosent matter if we think this law is stupid or makes no sense...is wat it is 15 rounda oe less...that's it

 

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It's probably a good idea to know the general laws of firearms in the state your possessing them. The answer is pretty simple and I'm not sure why your having a hard time. Do what ever you need to do to make sure you don't bring illegal items into the state.

If your at some ranges and someone doesn't like the way your magazines look they may call the PD. if the pd find that your mag holds a 16th round you will get arrested, your guns confiscated and you will meet Bubba.

There are people on this forum who have had this happen over guns and magazines. Ignorance of the law is no excuse and it will not hold up well in court.

It's obvious by your post that this is a lot of new information to you. I'd strongly suggest you spend time reading NJ's laws for yourself. There is a lot of misinformation from people who should know better (gun dealers, cops, other shooters). To be a responsible gun owner it's up to you to know the laws and be responsible to follow them.

Nobody is running around testing them but if you are caught with what appears to be high cap mags, according to NJ law, its very easy to test them obviously. You key even get brought to the station while they are testing all your mags to determine if they are high cap or not. Hell you may even get charged and it be left up to the judge to determine the permancy of the pinning. It could go a lot of ways. This state sucks.

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Is someone in NJ running around testing mags to see if they will accept the 11th round (or 16th or whatever the case may be)?

 

No, but if you accidentally bring a 30 rounder to a NJ range (You do know that mere possession of a >15 round magazine in NJ is illegal, right? Regardless if you only use it on your PA range trips) and happen to load it to more than 15 rounds, and an off-duty LEO in the port/station next to you happens to notice that you've gone 16 shots on one magazine...

If you are having such trouble with this concept you should either get rid of all the 30 round magazines and only use 15 even if you are in PA, or do something like paint the 30 round mags dayglo yellow or orange so you won't accidently bring them into NJ.  Think this thread is reaching the point of a dead horse

I understand what everyone is saying, and I understand the law a bit more, but I guess my question was more about how to keep track of what is what based on where I am shooting.  I guess a strip of pink tape on the PA mags is the solution, I know which ones to leave there and which ones to bring back home.

 

What concerns me is BlueLine's mention of the pinning technique.  If my FLL did the pin, I have no technical expertise to gauge if it is done right.  I wouldn't want to be held liable if he did it wrong.  Not that I suspect otherwise, but if I buy a "compliant" mag from a licensed dealer in state, I would think he would bear the responsibility.

If you are having such trouble with this concept you should either get rid of all the 30 round magazines and only use 15 even if you are in PA, or do something like paint the 30 round mags dayglo yellow or orange so you won't accidently bring them into NJ.  Think this thread is reaching the point of a dead horse

I posted at the same time as you.  Dayglo it is.

 

But all my threads are dead horse, so just to be consistent... 

Ask all the questions you want and don't worry about the grouches. It is better to beat a dead horse here than serve as a temporary wife for some dude named Otis in Rahway State...

Method of "permanently pinning" a mag has also been discussed many times (search for it) and I don't think there is a straight black and white answer to it. I don't think you'll ever find one. I'm not a lawyer, but if YOU are found in possession of an illegal firearm or magazine in this case, YOU are the one that will be charged and taken away, NOT the FFL or dealer where you got them from.

I understand what everyone is saying, and I understand the law a bit more, but I guess my question was more about how to keep track of what is what based on where I am shooting.  I guess a strip of pink tape on the PA mags is the solution, I know which ones to leave there and which ones to bring back home.

 

What concerns me is BlueLine's mention of the pinning technique.  If my FLL did the pin, I have no technical expertise to gauge if it is done right.  I wouldn't want to be held liable if he did it wrong.  Not that I suspect otherwise, but if I buy a "compliant" mag from a licensed dealer in state, I would think he would bear the responsibility.

 

I use a silver sharpie to tag my 10 vs 15. This isn't a hard question worthy of asking lots of folks about. Visually differentiate them.. done. Stickers, tape, sharpies, electric pen, etc. 

 

 

and I wish we would stop saying 'pinned'...I think blocked is more accurate........

IMO blocked describes the way it used to be

You could have a 20 or 30 round mag blocked to 10 and be legal, we would to take em to NY for the weekend and remove the block

Now it has to be pinned or modified so that it can never again be used at full capacity ( stupid laws ) 

I load all of my fire arms +1 in the chamber just to live dangerous.....

But that's how it came from the NJ FFL stockroom.  In fact, I was confused when I got it home why it would not accept more rounds.  All this is confusing.

 

I was also confused why the stock would not collapse until I read why here.

nice try...the judge won't buy it though...

"in NJ firearms possession is at the user's peril"

I hate to disappoint....but PINNED is incorrect nomenclature in my opinion......... we have received PINNED AK mags that were no more permanent PINNED than a drill bit was far away....

Not disappointed, I did type " IMO"

 

I have seen AR mags that were BLOCKED and as such can never be used at full capacity.........  not to derail the thread...but ANY magazine with just a roll pin...rivit pin etc..is NOT permanent....

Don't think pinned is correct either

 

How could you have a 10 round mag in NY...?  As far as I know in NY even before the silliness 10 rounds was max limit for a magazine....

 

Back in the Florio days we were allowed 10 here, NY was a different story as far as I knew ( couldn't bring pistols, but had Hi-caps ( another sad ass term ) for most rifles we brought up, 50 rnds before having to reload the 10/22, yay )

 Before the "permanency clause" I bought "blocked" magazines from several local shops that simply had a piece of wood jammed in them, sent them to Fla. with the guy whose property we used to shoot on in NY, should have gone with him.

 

If you have or had a 20-30 round mag in NJ that only had a block that could easily be removed in this state...I would get rid of it asap...  YMMV

 

Nothing left but 16 year old 10's and the 1 MW PX modified 15/30 I picked up a couple months back

Just take all your mags and try jamming 16 rounds into them. If you can get 16 in you are fugged no matter where your bought them. The joke is on you then. Buyer beware.

Is someone in NJ running around testing mags to see if they will accept the 11th round (or 16th or whatever the case may be)?

 

I was shooting an AR at Range 14(Ft Dix) today with pinned 15/30s and a range official demanded to inspect my magazines for compliance.

But that's how it came from the NJ FFL stockroom.  In fact, I was confused when I got it home why it would not accept more rounds.  All this is confusing.

 

I was also confused why the stock would not collapse until I read why here.

Apparently your FFL (dealer) didn't do a good job explaining the laws, or answering your questions...........

I was shooting an AR at Range 14(Ft Dix) today with pinned 15/30s and a range official demanded to inspect my magazines for compliance.

 

Really? No one has ever questioned me at Range 14. Things have changed since I was last there in 2007.

I have pinned 30 round mags for my 15/22 and pinned 20's for my AR, and no one has ever questioned on me on them.  

I was shooting an AR at Range 14(Ft Dix) today with pinned 15/30s and a range official demanded to inspect my magazines for compliance.

How'd that go?

How'd that go?

 

I pointed out rollpins in the basepads and informed him that they were in compliance, and that it was not his job to verify legality of any items. He left without putting ammo in them or asking me to do so.

I was shooting an AR at Range 14(Ft Dix) today with pinned 15/30s and a range official demanded to inspect my magazines for compliance.

I would have laughed...packed my stuff up and walked away.

I would have laughed...packed my stuff up and walked away.

Amen