CAC card, its what the DoD uses for ID the last 10 years or so. The no personal weapons thing is a Clinton thing. The no issue weapon carry is way older than that. Not a lot of military people are actually issued weapons permanently. They are given them only when needed, then turn them back in.

One of the Naval officers that was interviewed during the day claimed that even with what he called a CAT card ( ? ), he was not permitted to carry his sidearm while there.

Thanks for the info matty

While this is a very sad event, we must look like a total joke to the rest of the world.  Only in America is the military unarmed.  Can you imagine any military base in China, Russia, North Korea, Iran or anywhere else where the military personnel don't have weapons.  We have become a joke.

 

And in those countries traitors are shot on the spot..

This guy has other gun charges

 

Discharge a firearm in his apartment

 

Another

 

Shot tires out on construction workers tires

16th mass shooting since Obama took office. Quite a coincidence.

Don't know if it's true or not.

 

NBC Washington: Navy Yard Shooting suspect took assault rifle, pistol from cops he ambushed

 

http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/

Options, discretion, rights... 

 

You just don't have a slightest clue how military operates and what it takes to keep the discipline.

Google it or something. 

Well that pretty much settles it then.  Great polemic skills there.

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In 19 years in the military, I have never seen this.  Maybe it's on the books but just not practiced?  Also note that many units don't have sidearms for all of their officers.  In my National Guard infantry unit, sidearms are only issued to machine gunners to be used as a secondary self-defense weapon, although I think the commander has one.  I think most infantry units only have about 9 or 10 pistols - it's just not that useful of a weapon for what we do.  

 

But like I said before, when not being used in a training environment, I could see those pistols going to staff-level NCOs on a rotating duty basis.  

Yeah, I think my original statement was incorrect.  Sorry for the misinformation. 

Don't know if it's true or not.

 

NBC Washington: Navy Yard Shooting suspect took assault rifle, pistol from cops he ambushed

 

http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/

anymore on this?

This will get buried because its not some gun toting nutty white guy. Just like the shooting at the beer distributor years back. Doesnt help their cause especially since i am already hearing this guy may be a muslim brotherhood sympathizer

I don't know about getting buried.  I could see this turning into a "valid" argument for disarming military vets because they are "PTSD raving madmen" or some such. 

RIP to the deceased

prayers to the wounded and affected

I'll just have to agree to disagree on the armed passengers bit

 

that's fair.  civil discourse prevails!

that's fair.  civil discourse prevails!

absolutely...lol

 

this is a good board, many of us know each other outside of it and it's good to remain civil.  I try but I have 'slipped' on occasion.....

I am pretty sure that any officer can carry a sidearm (M9) at their own discretion

I first went in the Army in 1967 and have been commissioned since 1982 and never heard of this "regulation" as it doesn't exist.

I first went in the Army in 1967 and have been commissioned since 1982 and never heard of this "regulation" as it doesn't exist.

You are correct.  I misspoke, which is why I retracted it above.  Thanks for the correction and I apologize for the misleading information.

Most tragedies on this scale require a number of people who screwed up, so far the obvious seems to be the justice system and how it dealt with this guys multiple firearms discharges, as well as those involved with granting him security passes.

Most tragedies on this scale require a number of people who screwed up, so far the obvious seems to be the justice system and how it dealt with this guys multiple firearms discharges, as well as those involved with granting him security passes.

What, you mean the guns aren't at fault ?

Ever notice when Obama gets himself in trouble a shooting happens and the shooter doesn't live

I first went in the Army in 1967 and have been commissioned since 1982 and never heard of this "regulation" as it doesn't exist.

 

Aren't Flag officers issued a personal sidearm as a badge of rank, which they are able to purchase when they retire?

 

I thought this might explain the reports of older men in uniforms who were seen on security cameras with guns and lead to the reports of three shooters.

 

http://www.army.mil/article/6938/

I know a person who is a air force investigator that has alot of overseas deployment experience and when they came to fort dix to do traing they brought there weapons with them but had to store them in the armory.

Most tragedies on this scale require a number of people who screwed up, so far the obvious seems to be the justice system and how it dealt with this guys multiple firearms discharges, as well as those involved with granting him security passes.

 

Seems he wasn't very thoroughly vetted by the Navy as well.  Multiple firearm discharges, shot a woman's tires out because he was mad. 

and had a history of serious mental health issues

 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NAVY_YARD_SHOOTING_GUNMAN_MENTAL_HEALTH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-17-08-03-32

Investigators now doubt that an ar was used.

You mean CNN was wrong about the "Automatic Ar-15 shotgun"?

 

atlantic firearms does sell an ar shotgun but it is not automatic

 

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/natmil-tk-uzkon-br-99-semi-auto-shotgun-detail.html?Itemid=0

Oh, and don't forget female infantry - that's the important one. 

http://www.rachelpapo.com/serial1.html

 

If we had a few of these "female infantry" on the base we would not be in this mess.

I heard this morning that there are "numerous" felons that have passed the background checks to work on our military bases as civilian contractors.

 

Forget background checks for firearm purchasers, how about who's doing these background checks for these contractors?

FBI has reported that no ar-15 was used.

 

 

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