Paranoia. How bad of an area do you live in if you need to constantly carry. I just dont get it. Please explain it to me. Can i have some examples please. One rifle or pistol per floor should suffice. But carrying it on you? I dont know but ive got other things in life to worry about. Hey its easier to just lock the damn door. Fill me in. I must be ignorant.

I don't carry in my home,I do however have several firearms concealed but within reach. I look at it this way,If it ever came to the point  I felt that a firearm has to be on my person in my own home at all times.....it's time to move or perhaps seek some help.......that IMHO is paranoia, plain and simple.

Now I venture that we all like firearms or we would not be here but there are some who's whole identity and psyche is so intertwined with what for most is a hobby that they lose sight of the ridiculousness of the whole scenario.

I don't stress that 40 ft separates me from a loaded firearm or what "condition" that firearm is in because if I did then the question must be asked.....Am I the master of the firearm or is the firearm the master of me?

Now again,we've all heard the old and tired cliches of "use it or lose it"",better to have it and not need it rather than the opposite" ect...ect... but in my mind I've made the best choices to insure my family's and my comfort ,safety and to consider me carrying a firearm in my own home is essentially surrendering to fear.

 

like I said... scumbags are probably a little more likely to break into your home... in your nice neighborhood.. to steal your nice things... over say an inner city slum... most times when I hear about home invasions.. they are not happening in shitty areas stealing shitty things.. and a lot of times home invasions are followed with statements like this "oh wow I can't believe this would ever happen here omg.. this is such a nice area.. blah blah" 

 

nothing paranoid about keeping a gun handy... its not going to do you much good if you cant get to it when you need it.. 

Paranoia. How bad of an area do you live in if you need to constantly carry. I just dont get it. Please explain it to me. Can i have some examples please. One rifle or pistol per floor should suffice. But carrying it on you? I dont know but ive got other things in life to worry about. Hey its easier to just lock the damn door. Fill me in. I must be ignorant.

 

You're not really paranoid if they really ARE out to get you.

 

Secondly, doors are amazingly flimsy.  Do you have a glass slider Golf?  I'm sure this woman thought just like you did. 

Paranoia. How bad of an area do you live in if you need to constantly carry. I just dont get it. Please explain it to me. Can i have some examples please. One rifle or pistol per floor should suffice. But carrying it on you? I dont know but ive got other things in life to worry about. Hey its easier to just lock the damn door. Fill me in. I must be ignorant.

 

 

I carry a gun all day.... so carrying a gun is not some huge inconvenience.. so I carry it.. maybe not on me 24/7.. but why on earth would you not want to have a gun available just in case something happens.. 

When my two oldest were very young , they were playing in the front yard, within 30 feet of the front door, two hunters chasing a deer across property lines shot right over their heads.  Have had others just "walk through" carrying firearms during deer season.  Property is even extensively marked, didn't stop them one bit.  So the owner takes care of the problem now.  Dial 911 second, secure scene first.  PD is over 10 minutes away on a good day and state PD (covers overnight) is even longer.

Last summer I was sitting on my porch late at night and suddenly I heard 7 - 12 shots (after the fact you can't really recall exactly how many) go off at what sounded like like maybe 100yds behind my house through the woods. I shut off all my lights and loaded up the only weapon I had at the time which was my Ruger 10/22. I found out the next day that 2 guys were murdered in a drug related event, but it was a good mile away. I live on the country outskirts of a small lower income town.

 

That, along with pending legislation, was what got me off my ass to finally get involved with owning real firearms. Now, I just sit my AR, cond 3, somewhere within my reach when I'm relaxing at home (no kids). And yes, I even bring it into the bathroom when I shower.

 

 

its funny... I owned a house in a not super high income area but still nice and really quiet..... but it was just close enough to Vineland where the wrong kind of people would slip through from time to time....

Paranoia. How bad of an area do you live in if you need to constantly carry. I just dont get it. Please explain it to me. Can i have some examples please. One rifle or pistol per floor should suffice. But carrying it on you? I dont know but ive got other things in life to worry about. Hey its easier to just lock the damn door. Fill me in. I must be ignorant.

If it is always on you, you never have to think about where is the closest gun--it is right there.  Just don't forget about it when you go to fetch the mail, or on an errand.

Hopefully you never have to use it.

like I said... scumbags are probably a little more likely to break into your home... in your nice neighborhood.. to steal your nice things... over say an inner city slum... most times when I hear about home invasions.. they are not happening in shitty areas stealing shitty things.. and a lot of times home invasions are followed with statements like this "oh wow I can't believe this would ever happen here omg.. this is such a nice area.. blah blah" 

 

nothing paranoid about keeping a gun handy... its not going to do you much good if you cant get to it when you need it.. 

Vlad....you're a man of the world and infinitely informed, What do you estimate the chances of a armed intruder kicking down the door and the average firearm owner needing a firearm immediately on hand? 10%..5%..1%..0.5%..0.2%...less?

I reside in the real world and while admire the conviction and steadfastness of those who don't play the odds...I have more important thing to think about.... Life being on the very top of the list unburdened by outrageous odds.

I reside in the real world and while admire the conviction and steadfastness of those who don't play the odds...I have more important thing to think about.... Life being on the very top of the list unburdened by outrageous odds.

 

I find it ironic and interesting that Life is on the top of your list but you don't worry about the means to preserve that.  That's your choice however and I certainly will not stand here and tell you that you MUST do this, and I understand your sentiment that you prefer not to focus on the what if's.  So be it.

its funny... I owned a house in a not super high income area but still nice and really quiet..... but it was just close enough to Vineland where the wrong kind of people would slip through from time to time....

 

Yes, and I would say this is especially one scenario where you should be vigilant, just liike my situation. I live about 1 - 2 miles from some sec 8 housing (where the murders happened), and the BGs sometimes leak out into the surounding countryside. I see them sometimes at night cruising down the street on foot or on bikes. I don't know if they are scouting or just out for the night.  I don't call it paranoid. I call it being prepared. It doesn't cost anything, and if I'm bored I like just picking her up to enjoy the feel and say, I'm ready.

I find it ironic and interesting that Life is on the top of your list but you don't worry about the means to preserve that.  That's your choice however and I certainly will not stand here and tell you that you MUST do this, and I understand your sentiment that you prefer not to focus on the what if's.  So be it.

Life in my limited and admitted selfish interpretation has little room for unbridled paranoia and what if's.....I take appropriate safeguards and am situationally aware as I've traveled extensively and have lived through 2 revolutions,several uprisings and a few curfews so to waste life and energy preparing for some unlikely eventuality because of a romance with a firearm appears counterproductive and a waste of time.

PORTIONS of Wayne Flood. Other portions are inconvenienced by closed roads but otherwise, I gave away my boat last year because the only water it saw in 6 years was rain.

 

That said, I prefer to have a gun on me if someone comes to the door. I

Agreed. I used to live in mountain view crossing on rt 23. Flooded pretty bad there.

Life in my limited and admitted selfish interpretation has little room for unbridled paranoia and what if's.....I take appropriate safeguards and am situationally aware as I've traveled extensively and have lived through 2 revolutions,several uprisings and a few curfews so to waste life and energy preparing for some unlikely eventually because of a romance with a firearm appears counterproductive and a waste of time.

Suit yourself but home carry for me is cheap insurance and easy to do. It's not paranoia in the least. If you think it's paranoia then pretty much all carry is paranoia. Agreed?

Paranoia. How bad of an area do you live in if you need to constantly carry. I just dont get it. Please explain it to me. Can i have some examples please. One rifle or pistol per floor should suffice. But carrying it on you? I dont know but ive got other things in life to worry about. Hey its easier to just lock the damn door. Fill me in. I must be ignorant.

Just google "Home invasions NJ" and see what comes up. Will it happen to you?? Chances are slim but I'm willing to be a few happen everyday in this state. I'm sure it also depends a lot on peoples house, neighbor, physical condition on how they keep their firearms. Me personally, if I'm outback its condition 1. If I'm home with my family it's up high in Condition 3 but within an eye shot. If I'm by myself it's on my hip condition 3 b/c I'm in and out a lot.

Vlad....you're a man of the world and infinitely informed, What do you estimate the chances of a armed intruder kicking down the door and the average firearm owner needing a firearm immediately on hand? 10%..5%..1%..0.5%..0.2%...less?

I reside in the real world and while admire the conviction and steadfastness of those who don't play the odds...I have more important thing to think about.... Life being on the very top of the list unburdened by outrageous odds.

So you have no home insurance or car insurance I take it? Because having that would be paranoid. Or a first aid kit, because that would be paranoid too... Or fire extinguishers... Or a jack and a spare tire... Etc

The whole paranoia thing is silly talk by antis. They even view us OWNING guns as being paranoid. So unless you hunt, shoot for sport or collect antique firearms exclusively you're paranoid. That's what they think. Before heller they said that no one has a right to a gun at home because we are all paranoid. After all the chance of actually using it are slim. You can dial 911 and the cops will come save you.

Vlad....you're a man of the world and infinitely informed, What do you estimate the chances of a armed intruder kicking down the door and the average firearm owner needing a firearm immediately on hand? 10%..5%..1%..0.5%..0.2%...less?

I reside in the real world and while admire the conviction and steadfastness of those who don't play the odds...I have more important thing to think about.... Life being on the very top of the list unburdened by outrageous odds.

 

 

I think your guess on the odds are probably good... 

and to be honest.. where I live in PA the odds are likely even lower...

 

but those are your odds... these are mine..

 

I bet that if an intruder broke into my  home.. and I was unarmed... there is a chance I would survive the encounter.... I would think it safe to assume that those odds of survival increase if the criminal is unarmed.... I think it safe to assume that those odds increase even higher if I am armed with an AR15...

 

so.. 

taking as little action as sitting a carbine in close proximity to me.. significantly increases my chances of survival in the unlikely even that I would need that item...

 

Ill take my chances.. on the positive.. 

So you have no home insurance or car insurance I take it? Because having that would be paranoid. Or a first aid kit, because that would be paranoid too... Or fire extinguishers... Or a jack and a spare tire... Etc

Please....... if you can't discern the difference between common sense precautions and a underlying need to be a home Rambo then I fear we have little to discuss further. I don't begrudge you your need to feel somehow safe in your own home with a firearm strapped heroically on your hip... what ever blows your hair back.... but I reserve the right to disagree.

I think your guess on the odds are probably good... 

and to be honest.. where I live in PA the odds are likely even lower...

 

but those are your odds... these are mine..

 

I bet that if an intruder broke into my  home.. and I was unarmed... there is a chance I would survive the encounter.... I would think it safe to assume that those odds of survival increase if the criminal is unarmed.... I think it safe to assume that those odds increase even higher if I am armed with an AR15...

 

so.. 

taking as little action as sitting a carbine in close proximity to me.. significantly increases my chances of survival in the unlikely even that I would need that item...

 

Ill take my chances.. on the positive.. 

...and I respect that...

Please....... if you can't discern the difference between common sense precautions and a underlying need to be a home Rambo then I fear we have little to discuss further. I don't begrudge you your need to feel somehow safe in your own home with a firearm strapped heroically on your hip... what ever blows your hair back.... but I reserve the right to disagree.

Oh please. You sound worse than moms demand action! Nothing is "heroically strapped to my hip." I keep it concealed and lock it in the trunk when I go out (to a free state since I live very near one). My carrying at home is pretty much similar to my carrying outside of the home. It's convenience, within the confines of the law. Simple as that. Handguns were made to be carried!!!

Oh please. You sound worse than moms demand action! Nothing is "heroically strapped to my hip." I keep it concealed and lock it in the trunk when I go out (to a free state since I live very near one). My carrying at home is pretty much similar to my carrying outside of the home. It's convenience, within the confines of the law. Simple as that. Handguns were made to be carried!!!

Please...My intention was not to upset you but only to offer an opposing view with reasons.... My reasons however alien to you are my reasons.....as you, yours. I respect them as I hope you do mine.

Vlad has perfected the art of debate on NJGF without malice and I try to emulate but nuances sometimes gets lost in the translation.

Please...My intention was not to upset you but only to offer an opposing view with reasons.... My reasons however alien to you are my reasons.....as you, yours. I respect them as I hope you do mine.

Vlad has perfected the art of debate on NJGF without malice and I try to emulate but nuances sometimes gets lost in the translation.

the thread was about how to home carry, not the merits of it. My problem is with you calling people paranoid. You cant seem to see beyond that. Don't know why you're sticking with that. Your opinion is that people are paranoid, we get it. No need to force it, especially since that's not the point of the thread.

There is nothing paranoid about having a weapon within reach in your dwelling, esp if you live in an area that is accessible to the lower elements of society. Period. Just wait until you hear gunfire in yoiur neighborhood and I'm sure you will change your opinion...

So if i carry it or bring it to each room I'm paranoid but if I leave 1 or 2 of them loaded around the house then thats somehow perfectly fine.

Look guys - there's a humane way to disagree and then there's pissing in someone's cheerios.  The guy doesn't approve - great.  He's made his point, you made yours. 

 

What's been said at this point has been said.  I'm not going to hide any posts because some people will feel all butthurt and start screaming/claiming censorship, so lay off the pissing match or this will get locked.

So if i carry it or bring it to each room I'm paranoid but if I leave 1 or 2 of them loaded around the house then thats somehow perfectly fine.

Precisely.......would you strap a fire extinguisher to your hip while lounging around the house?.......but you argue you would a firearm...correct? Yet you would in all probability need the extinguisher sooner than the firearm.... and that Gentlemen is the inconvenient Truth..

Improper analogy.

Improper analogy.

Why....give logical reasons and I'm sure we'll all entertain them....... Again I seek a logical debate not hyperbole

I carry a fire extinguisher and first aid kit in my car. I also carry a CPR mask on my key chain. I also have a multi tool on me even at home. Comes in very handy. The only reason people don't carry fire extinguishers on their person is because useful ones are too big.

 

It's perfectly fine to be prepared. It's no big deal where it's practical. That's all.

Hate to tick some of you off but i agree with duppies' last statement.