Sweeney WILL be sworn in as governor in a tad under four years. 

 

Unless something falls down from the sky in the form of a court ruling, every single one of those anti-gun laws that Christie vetoed, and dozens more, will be signed into law, probably as early as April of 2018. 

Us: "Connecticut is one of 47 states where ordinary people carry guns in public. Do you think they should consider being more like New Jersey and banning CCW by ordinary citizens?"

 

 

Bad example. He will say yes and cite Sandy Hook. 

he essentially said he will never consider it no matter how we ask. He is stubborn and irrational. He has already made it obvious he likes seeing us squirm.. certainly throwing in the towel is no option, ill agree with that

I believe his response was likely a reaction to being badgered by the Twitter Army of NJ2AS.

 

Nonetheless, his remarks provide further evidence that our legislature will NEVER approve CCW. The only way it will ever happen here is if it is mandated by the courts.

Sweeney WILL be sworn in as governor in a tad under four years. 

 

Unless something falls down from the sky in the form of a court ruling, every single one of those anti-gun laws that Christie vetoed, and dozens more, will be signed into law, probably as early as April of 2018. 

no way......what makes you think this?

Bad example. He will say yes and cite Sandy Hook. 

Good. Connecticut won't like that. They may have squeaked by an AWB but they like to carry and won't take kindly to a NJ politician telling them to stop. That's the point. Get CT to start mocking him.

 

Even if there is no response from them, we want the NJ public to have a greater awareness of this.

Good. Connecticut won't like that. They may have squeaked by an AWB but they like to carry and won't take kindly to a NJ politician telling them to stop. That's the point. Get CT to start mocking him.

 

Even if there is no response from them, we want the NJ public to have a greater awareness of this.

 

They won't? Malloy and the others are probably about as bad as him. 

Angry yet? This man wants to be Governor in 4 years.

Spread the word.

I got news for you. There are very few politicians in NJ that support it. And the ones who do probably have little chance of becoming governor. And it doesn't matter anyway, the rabidly antigun legislature would never pass any such bill.  Did you see some of the ridiculous antigun bills they are floating. 

You guys really need stop this crud and "woe is me" kinda attitude.  The candidate "obvious" 3 years ahead almost never wins. The tide on guns is turning into our favor.

 

Stop whining and keep fighting. All these antigunners are old, and nature has a way of dealing with that problem. We have minted a LOT more new gun owners in the last couple of years, so how about you guys concentrate on getting them into the fight?

I got news for you. There are very few politicians in NJ that support it. And the ones who do probably have little chance of becoming governor. And it doesn't matter anyway, the rabidly antigun legislature would never pass any such bill.  Did you see some of the ridiculous antigun bills they are floating. 

 

Never say never! If we get a court order like Illinois they'll be forced to do something.

You guys really need stop this crud and "woe is me" kinda attitude. The candidate "obvious" 3 years ahead almost never wins. The tide on guns is turning into our favor.

 

Stop whining and keep fighting. All these antigunners are old, and nature has a way of dealing with that problem. We have minted a LOT more new gun owners in the last couple of years, so how about you guys concentrate on getting them into the fight?

well said Vlad

Now would be a great time to get involved and commit to pro gun organizations such as the NRA, ANJRPC, SAF and others. Also we need to help get Anthony Colandro elected to the NRA board to light a fire under their asses.

If the nj court is forced to allow carry, does it matter what this guy says?

If the nj court is forced to allow carry, does it matter what this guy says?

Nope.

Nope.

 

Except.

 

Except that you may end up carrying a single shot pistol, etc etc.  They still have their mag limit laws, their bayonet lug laws, their collapsible stock laws, their OGAM laws, all of which serve to make our law abiding lives that much more difficult while at the same having ZERO EFFECT on the criminal element.

Except.

 

Except that you may end up carrying a single shot pistol, etc etc. They still have their mag limit laws, their bayonet lug laws, their collapsible stock laws, their OGAM laws, all of which serve to make our law abiding lives that much more difficult while at the same having ZERO EFFECT on the criminal element.

And don't forget you can only carry with FMJ ammo.

 

We have to chip away at each law one at a time. Getting shall issue is high on priorities list. Then take down the entire NJ gun law "scheme". Remember all firearms are illegal in NJ first. That in itself needs to be challenged by the Heller decision.

Sorry, but you all are delusional if you think NJ will ever become a Shall Issue state......

 

Having said that, I do hope I'm forced to eat my words.

Someone on facebook (I think NJ2AS) mentioned the idea of raising money to hire someone to dig up dirt on Sweeney. I'd so contribute money toward that.

Sorry, but you all are delusional if you think NJ will ever become a Shall Issue state......

 

Having said that, I do hope I'm forced to eat my words.

 

I'm sure people in Illinois and California were saying the same.

Sorry, but you all are delusional if you think NJ will ever become a Shall Issue state......

 

Having said that, I do hope I'm forced to eat my words.

Did you read the decision that just came form the 9th circuit of appeals? It used history and logic to severely criticize the circuits that have given decisions against CCW. There is much more pressure for SCOTUS to hear Drake now and the points made by the 9th could be enough to sway SCOTUS. I think, for the first time, we have a real chance.

 

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I'm sure people in Illinois and California were saying the same.

 

Did you read the decision that just came form the 9th circuit of appeals? It used history and logic to severely criticize the circuits that have given decisions against CCW. There is much more pressure for SCOTUS to hear Drake now and the points made by the 9th could be enough to sway SCOTUS. I think, for the first time, we have a real chance.

 

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A ruling is just that, a ruling, but that doesn't mean there won't be an appeal. Also, the ruling from what I understand was ruled for San Diego County, not California as a whole. Is there any guarantee that this ruling will effect citizens of the rest of California? (Serious question as I'm not as knowledged as some of you guys are)

It was a person on the page not the organization who said that about digging up dirt

Except.

 

Except that you may end up carrying a single shot pistol, etc etc.  They still have their mag limit laws, their bayonet lug laws, their collapsible stock laws, their OGAM laws, all of which serve to make our law abiding lives that much more difficult while at the same having ZERO EFFECT on the criminal element.

 

 

Or carrying a firearm where there is a "No guns allowed" sign will be a felony.  State will give these signs out to every business owner....I'd be interested to see how it would play out.  But don't expect CCW in NJ to be a great thing.

A ruling is just that, a ruling, but that doesn't mean there won't be an appeal. Also, the ruling from what I understand was ruled for San Diego County, not California as a whole. Is there any guarantee that this ruling will effect citizens of the rest of California? (Serious question as I'm not as knowledged as some of you guys are)

 

Well regarding California .. its too damn new, so lets give it a bit. But again, I'll point out Illinois.

A ruling is just that, a ruling, but that doesn't mean there won't be an appeal. Also, the ruling from what I understand was ruled for San Diego County, not California as a whole. Is there any guarantee that this ruling will effect citizens of the rest of California? (Serious question as I'm not as knowledged as some of you guys are)

 

Yes, there could be an appeal, or two. First is an appeal to a larger panel, known as an en banc review. In other circuits, the entire court does the rehearing, but the 9th circuit is so large they just choose a panel of 11 (they literally cannot fit every judge in the court). The chief of CA9, Kozinski will likely seat himself on it, but there will be 10 others drawn by lots. They will vote to rehear it en banc, and the likelihood that they do is high. But it is pretty hard to turn around the Heller logic in this decision, so they will have a difficult time in doing so. But yes, a reversal of this is possible, and likely in my opinion. But there is timing. Right now we have a circuit split - 2nd, 3rd and 4th circuits have ruled against 2A outside the home or have dodged the issue entirely, in Kachalsky, Drake and Woollard. The 7th in Moore has ruled that it does apply outside the home (which is why Illinois now has a CCW law). Now the 9th has ruled that 2A applies outside the home and has deepened this split and explicitly called out the others. So the importance of this goes well beyond California. It's really a decision designed to get the US Supreme Court to hear the case.

 

As for its applicability, yes it does apply to San Diego, but the decision said that local Governments in the entire 9th circuit cannot prohibit all forms of carry. They have to allow one, either open or concealed, otherwise they completely destroy the 2A as a right.

 

tl;dr - This will have more benefit for cases like ours (Drake) to get heard heard at the US Supreme Court, rather than just affecting California.

Or carrying a firearm where there is a "No guns allowed" sign will be a felony.  State will give these signs out to every business owner....I'd be interested to see how it would play out.  But don't expect CCW in NJ to be a great thing.

At this point I would be happy with being able to ccw from my place of business back to my house.  You can be sure you will never see a sign No guns allowed at my store.

http://grossman4nj.com/

 

get behind this guy... NOW.

that's all I'll say. I have no idea if he's going to try and run again but we should find out now and get behind him NOW.

 

maybe a Grossman/Lonegan ticket.

Sweeney says he will NEVER support CCW in NJ

 

Maybe that is his way of saying that he will support Open Carry.

http://grossman4nj.com/

 

get behind this guy... NOW.

that's all I'll say. I have no idea if he's going to try and run again but we should find out now and get behind him NOW.

 

maybe a Grossman/Lonegan ticket.

Lonegan is cam paining for congress at the moment

The ruling is required reading, filled with common sense and logic it is a rare gem.

He did hear from us just a few months ago. What exactly did he hear? He heard that he can do as he pleases since not one of the anti gunners was removed from office. I believe that that included him.

 

 

Exactly. Thats what happens in a state with almost 1.5 million gun owners, where ONLY 16% of eligible voters actually did so in our last election.