Yeah, right. I must admit they're getting warmer though. To that I say, no sale. Let the US Supreme Court strike down justifiable need, and we won't even need this bill.

 

NO DEAL, SWEENEY. NO DEAL!!!

 

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/02/deal_in_place_to_cut_ammo_magazine_limit_to_10_rounds.html#incart_river

Sounds like it's a done deal.

 

It's not over until the fat man sings?

 

Somebody better give him an out. Amicus Meatballae

 

Get together and come up with a thoughtful and "New Jersey Reasonable" argument why he should not pass this from a technical standpoint (vs. a philosophical or practical standpoint).

maybe we can get lucky and they'll pass both bills separately and christie can veto one and sign the other.  i guess it shouldn't be a big deal since we are only going to be allowed to buy a 10 rd 22lr with accompanying wristwatch soon anyways

 

i guess its time to start the calls and emails again. maybe they know they are going to lose the deviations because of CCW anyways (at least thats my hope)

Without going into details on individuals or groups, my position is FUKC EVERYONE INVOLVED in this tradeoff. Hint-hint: Let me stop there lest someone accuse me of insensitivity to victims of violence and their grief-mongering families. 

 

We're obviously NOT GETTING ENOUGH from this horse trade. Defining "reasonable deviation" to situations that are actually reasonable is, at essence, UNREASONABLE. It is nothing, zero. And the 10-round law would do everything for NJ that the 7-round law did for New York. NOTHING.

 

Needless to say, all the usual arguments apply to the magazine capacity limits. It's already illegal for individuals to carry guns around this state (and every state) with the intention of creating mayhem. Doesn't matter if you're loaded up with a Phenortner Model XYZ 136-round mag or are firing a single-shot antique.

 

More to the point, WTF does that have to do with me shooting at the range??? What?? Do you think that if ****I**** can't have a 30-round mag, or in my case a 12-round mag, that someone who wants to commit mass slaughter will consider the unfairness of having one himself, and stop to consider?

 

It's spiraling downward, folks, out of control. And not just NJ.

maybe we can get lucky and they'll pass both bills separately and christie can veto one and sign the other.  i guess it shouldn't be a big deal since we are only going to be allowed to buy a 10 rd 22lr with accompanying wristwatch soon anyways

 

i guess its time to start the calls and emails again.  

Doesn't he have a line item veto?? Well then, he can simply cross out the one he doesn't like.

Sounds like it's a done deal.

 

It's not over until the fat man sings?

 

Somebody better give him an out. Amicus Meatballae

 

Get together and come up with a thoughtful and "New Jersey Reasonable" argument why he should not pass this from a technical standpoint (vs. a philosophical or practical standpoint).

 

are you talking about christie?  he should not pass this because he has hopes to become president.  even if its only a little hope.  

are you talking about christie?  he should not pass this because he has hopes to become president.  even if its only a little hope.  

You're going to do nothing.

 

Got it.

 

You are NOT allowed to complain if it passes. Agreed?

Doesn't he have a line item veto?? Well then, he can simply cross out the one he doesn't like.

they have to approve that again though correct?  line item veto goes back, if approved by a simple majority its law. 

You're going to do nothing.

 

Got it.

 

You are NOT allowed to complain if it passes. Agreed?

 

 

im NOT allowed to complain?  why is that?

im NOT allowed to complain? why is that?

You quoted it and then you ask me to tell you again?

 

I have no expectation it will take the second or third time.

 

Let the chips fall where they may. There have never been any more deserving.

They got chrisites back against a wall with bridgegate, he signs this crap and it all goes away

Without going into details on individuals or groups, my position is FUKC EVERYONE INVOLVED in this tradeoff.

 

We're obviously NOT GETTING ENOUGH from this horse trade. Defining "reasonable deviation" to situations that are actually reasonable is, at essence, UNREASONABLE. It is nothing, zero. And the 10-round law would do everything for NJ that the 7-round law did for New York. NOTHING.

 

 

+1

 

 

dafug???

You're going to do nothing.

 

Got it.

 

You are NOT allowed to complain if it passes. Agreed?

So what do you suggest everyone "do"??

 

Wsaracenci (whatever) is right. As I've pointed out, Christie the presidential candidate is not stupid enough to sign an more dreadful anti-gun laws. 

 

As for the legislative side, emailing the democrat legislators in this state is a waste of electrons, oxygen, and personally generated ATP. 

 

As a semi-involuntarily retired anti-government lawyer friend told me this past weekend, it will take divine intervention to turn things around in this state, in this nation. Unfortunately for him he believes, he believes.

I just read that and the first thought I had was" Aren't we giving up too much to gain so little?" I make deviations that remain reasonable to reasonable people but to make do with 10 round mags and the looming chance that our existing 15 round mags not be grandfathered seem to be less than a equitable trade.

You quoted it and then you ask me to tell you again?

 

I have no expectation it will take the second or third time.

 

Let the chips fall where they may. There have never been any more deserving.

 

 

ill be honest.  maybe I'm dense today.  i have NO CLUE what the hell you are talking about.  you asked for a reasonable argument as to why "he" shouldn't pass it.  i asked if "he" meant christie.  and assuming that "he" does mean christie, my argument is that he shouldn't pass it if he has any hopes of becoming president.  then you tell me not to complain.  whatever.  I'm lost.  

They got chrisites back against a wall with bridgegate, he signs this crap and it all goes away

 

 

quite possible.  

So what do you suggest everyone "do"??

 

I thought I was pretty clear.

 

This:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/66595-reasonable-deviations-to-be-clarified-in-exchange-for-10-rounds/#entry845782

 

And this:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/65352-s993-reduces-maximum-capacity-of-ammunition-magazines-to-10-rounds/page-2#entry845784

 

He came up with an out on .50, serve him up a plate of easy out on this. There are a lot of smart people here, do his work for him.

 

More importantly:

 

He is a Republican. If you guys let this be a tempest in a teapot, or confined to NY/NJ, he will get a full-blown pass on the national stage. I have been watching NJ Republican governors for 30 years. Every one of them was famous and did more for NJ than anybody before them - nationally. Even though they sucked and were unpopular locally. He can sweep this shit under the rug in a heartbeat unless you get national attention on this. Like I said, get Fox News and Talk Radio talking about it. Because those are the easiest way to start a buzz in media. They will take your calls. Use social media as well.

 

If you guys are just going to assume, or hope, you will be surprised how he will walk out of this unscathed. He is a Republican, put the national spotlight on him before he is faced with this. It's easier now than it ever was.

They got chrisites back against a wall with bridgegate, he signs this crap and it all goes away

So true. See how they paid him back for currying their favor and kissing their asses. I'm sure it will be different next time.

the newtown families will be there.  Shouldn't the star ledger be telling them to butt out

"Sources say the gun control advocates initially pushed back against the bill but eventually agreed to the compromise after the early measure was scaled back."

 

mother f'rs had to make the pro gun side compromise on their compromise.  notice how they didn't say, we'll drop the stopping for a bite to eat at wendys to make it a 12 round limit.  

They got chrisites back against a wall with bridgegate, he signs this crap and it all goes away

 

And then our next mission will be to shout it from the rooftops that Christie supports gun control. He will be absolutely dead as a GOP candidate for anything outside of NJ. Not even dog catcher!

No more negotiations, it's our way or the highway.

What, these morons all of a sudden think stopping for a burger is OK when yesterday it was blood running in the streets?

Are they serious?

I'm going to start speaking life to this, call those things that are not as though they are.

Once we win this and "justifiable need" is a footnote in law books, I for one will remind the news outlets how much this civil rights lawsuit cost NJ. Besides the salaries & expenses of the AG office to defend this, we the tax payers will have to pay Gura and company for their time.

Then I'm going to call Alan Gottlieb and/or Scott Bach and tell them to start the next round which can include standard capacity magazines.

Moving forward, we decide freedom, not the idiot legislators who are firearm clueless.

== end of rant ==

They could have sent the "reasonable deviations" bill to Christie's desk last year.  They didn't.  Now they're trying to compromise.  

 

EFF THEM.  NO COMPROMISE.

its not a compromise.  we are already allowed reasonable deviations.  now anti-gunners are defining that.  i'd rather let a jury decide.  

And then our next mission will be to shout it from the rooftops that Christie supports gun control. He will be absolutely dead as a GOP candidate for anything outside of NJ. Not even dog catcher!

No he won't.

 

People love NJ Republican Governors around the US. They are superstars.

 

He will say,

 

"Listen, NJ has very strict gun laws, and a lot of citizens get caught up in them unfairly. I'm looking at this thing, and I realize people go to jail in NJ for stopping to pick up a buddy on the way to the range or buying gasoline. This fixes that. I am the guy who commuted the sentence of Brian Aitken (he is Joe the Plumber behind the scenes, being excoriated by disconnect Christie political operatives for breaking magazine limit and hollowpoint laws and being a lair about moving), and I just want to put a stop to this.

 

It's not perfect, but I talked to gun organizations A, B, and C and they told me to go ahead with it. It was more important to keep law abiding gun owners out of jail."

 

Boyaah! Deal sealed.

 

Now, I am sure he can come up with that cover himself, but I just sent it to him myself in case it helps him salvage his political standing after he rapes your rights.

 

But back to your point, your plan is political revenge? How the fugg does that help you after the law is passed?

 

You need to get pressure on him NOW. Nothing you do later does anything for your rights.

my plan wasn't political revenge.  it was to pay off sweeney to convert him to our side.  i just don't have enough money to do it.  

NJ Dems - "Confiscate, confiscate, confiscate"

 

Star-Ledger "Delete, delete, delete"

 

Free speech in America (that doesn't even violate S-L rules) is DEAD.

So what about my Henry that holds 15 rds? Or my is ishapore 2a1 that holds 13? What about my property that I have $ in now being illegal? Is this ex post facto ?

So what about my Henry that holds 15 rds? Or my is ishapore 2a1 that holds 13? What about my property that I have $ in now being illegal? Is this ex post facto ?

It's a little early for surrender. Keep your white flag dry so that it works when it is needed, soldier.

And then our next mission will be to shout it from the rooftops that Christie supports gun control. He will be absolutely dead as a GOP candidate for anything outside of NJ. Not even dog catcher!

He already may be dead on the national level. Charlie Gasparino of Fox Business was just on Fox News and said the money people on Wall Street are starting to back away from supporting Christie.

 

He said most of them are asking about, help us, Jeb Bush.