I don't see where Zeke wrote any of those things, why are you insinuating that he did?  There are more of us that don't want to live in a police state with inappropriate secrets and unquestioning obedience to so called law Enforcement personnel. Just be cause you may be/have been a cop or working for a fed agency in an LE capacity does not make you more special or somehow automagically some all knowing sage whose actions and attitudes are beyond reproach. Stuff like this is why there is dwindling trust in all LE.

 

Please read my entire post. I said secrecy can be abused. Why are you insinuating I'm calling for a police state and unquestioned obedience to law enforcement? Where did I say that? I offered food for thought in response to his blanket statement saying a person's title shouldn't make them more in the know or more in control.

 

If you work in any discipline you have knowledge of that discipline others don't. I said nothing about my knowledge making me or anyone an "all knowing sage". But I do know what I know. You don't see me give advice on IT issues because I don't know anything about that. After over 30 years in LE and over 40 years, active and reserve, in the military I do know more than the average person in those areas. However you don't see me giving advice on running a prison or flying F16s because I don't know anything about that.

 

If you want to critique me do it on what I say, not what you think I said. That's what Zeke did.

 

Anyway, Zeke responded with:

 

 

  

Griz has some valid points.

If I was in charge of national security I'd prolly put it on my private server........

Hilary aside (I said position and knowledge can be abused), if this were to happen we have a lot more to worry about than who those 3 shooters who took out the terrorists were.

the last bit of back n forth seems to have gone off track a bit? wasn't it about the media burying the possible "fact" that there may have been some form of armed resistance during part of this?

 if there was, it should be known by all. it doesn't much matter at this point if it was cartel people, gang members, one eyed purple people eaters, or john carter. what matters is that if it happened, it lessened the damage inflicted by the terrorists. no one has to say who it was....but if it was, let it be known. don't try to bury that fact(if it truly did happen) to keep up appearances.

 

If you want to critique me do it on what I say, not what you think I said. That's what Zeke did.

 

This is verbatim, what you posted earlier:

 

 

So you're saying a we should have no secrets? Let our enemies know what we know about them?

 

They should release the names and associations of the people who returned fire at the restaurant to give the terrorists someone else to direct revenge to.

 

There is a need to have people in control and in the know in a civilized society. Intelligence and LE agencies should have a website giving you access to all their info?

 

I suppose you would have liked to let Germany and Japan we were reading their codes?

 

Yes, priveleged knowledge and authority can be abused but without it we all would have been gone long ago.

 

I'm glad you have nothing to do with our national security

 

 

Sounds pretty insinuating and insulting to me, even if Zeke took no offense, so I criticized what you wrote.

 

 

 

If you want to critique me do it on what I say, not what you think I said. That's what Zeke did.

 

This is verbatim, what you posted earlier:

 

 

So you're saying a we should have no secrets? Let our enemies know what we know about them?

 

They should release the names and associations of the people who returned fire at the restaurant to give the terrorists someone else to direct revenge to.

 

There is a need to have people in control and in the know in a civilized society. Intelligence and LE agencies should have a website giving you access to all their info?

 

I suppose you would have liked to let Germany and Japan we were reading their codes?

 

Yes, priveleged knowledge and authority can be abused but without it we all would have been gone long ago.

 

I'm glad you have nothing to do with our national security

 

 

Sounds pretty insinuating and insulting to me, even if Zeke took no offense, so I criticized what you wrote.

I don't think we will change the world a keystroke at a time.

Besides, my retort went right over his head

I don't think we will change the world a keystroke at a time.

Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

 

 

 

Besides, my retort went right over his head

Sorry to disappoint you but nothing went over my head.

Nailed it!