I thought France was a "gun free zone"? If one person was armed, they may have prevented more damage done. Or at least survived to retreat. But France, like Britain is a "gun free zone" country. Their people are sheep to be slaughtered by the muslim wolves. Yet somehow they were able to get weapons?

 

They are already here. Do you think they are going to attack in Texas or "Gun Free Zone" states like NJ and NY? We are sheep waiting to be slaughtered. Just like NJ politicians want us to be.

France is not a "gun free zone".

 

With no borders within the EU it makes it quite easy to transport weapons and explosives from say Belgium into France for example - think of it like buying an AR in Texas and driving to NYC.

 

Last week Bavarian police arrested a man from Montenegro during a routine traffic stop on the autobahn when they found a handgun while checking the glove compartment. They also found 8 AK 47, TNT and grenades all well hidden in the car. The man has no previous criminal records, he remained silent and did not want a lawyer. This was thought as a case of gun trafficking until now, but the weekly magazine FOCUS learned from security circles that in his car navigation system, Paris was his final destination.

 

Article is in Kraut: http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/plante-er-einen-anschlag-kalaschnikow-granaten-und-sprengstoff-im-auto-polizei-nimmt-mann-fest_id_5087357.html

 

20/20 hindsight...

 

Besides, I seem to remember a large theft of explosives and equipment from a Military base in France not too long ago.

 

ETA: here it is, June of 2015:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11723764/Forty-grenades-180-detonators-and-plastic-explosives-stolen-from-French-military-base.html

Now they say they're hitting Washington next.

Why wouldn't they?

 

If it's a bluff and they don't attack, we will still waste millions of dollars in security upgrades and thousands of man-hours of work because you can't ignore that kind of threat. And in the end, we will get just a bit more smug and complacent when no attack comes because we will think we deterred them, since we're human and that's how we rationalize.

 

If they do, it's still an attack and everything changes.

 

Either way, they win by changing our lives, chipping away at our liberties, and put us all on the defensive.

Why wouldn't they?

 

If it's a bluff and they don't attack, we will still waste millions of dollars in security upgrades and thousands of man-hours of work because you can't ignore that kind of threat. And in the end, we will get just a bit more smug and complacent when no attack comes because we will think we deterred them, since we're human and that's how we rationalize.

 

If they do, it's still an attack and everything changes.

 

Either way, they win by changing our lives, chipping away at our liberties, and put us all on the defensive.

 

And the real danger is that if they "fake left" a few times, we'll get complacent again (wolf crying), and they'll hit us with our pants down.    They've done it before... Did we not learn enough from the 1993 WTC bombing?

This is just my opinion !

Reports are that Police raids are underway in Brussels, Belgium, in relation to the Paris attacks. A Syrian passport was found on one of the terrorists. Investigation tracked the perp's entry into the EU through Greece as a refugee.

 

Video and Photos of the rear of the concert theater:

**Graphic**

http://www.le-lorrain.fr/blog/2015/11/14/video-fusillade-au-bataclan-un-temoin-blesse-filme-lhorreur/

Now they say they're hitting Washington next.

Don't they allow CCW now? Guess we might find out if that helps /s

 

 

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Reports are that Police raids are underway in Brussels, Belgium, in relation to the Paris attacks. A Syrian passport was found on one of the terrorists. Investigation tracked the perp's entry into the EU through Greece as a refugee.

 

Video and Photos of the rear of the concert theater:

**Graphic**

http://www.le-lorrain.fr/blog/2015/11/14/video-fusillade-au-bataclan-un-temoin-blesse-filme-lhorreur/

Gonna have to back Trump on this" I'm gonna send you back when I'm president"

 

Nobody wants to get into some sorta Harry Potter who's book/ God is better. At least I know I don't.

But come to hurt me and mine in my house? You mess with me, you mess with you!

Yeah and Bill Pascrell wants to expedite the import of Syrian refugees.

If this isn't enough I don't know what will be

 

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Honestly it may be too late.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/13/ironic-timing-today-first-load-of-10000-syrian-refugees-has-arrived-in-new-orleans-all-single-males-18-30-years-old/

 

Good timing, gives you that warm fuzzy feeling.

Now that the Trojan Horse has landed in Louisiana, soon to be dispersed (or should I use the term metastasized) all over our country. Looking at the the fact they are mostly men and few females and children. What does this tell you??? Some are legitimate refugees who deserve help! Others are certainly radical muslims sent here by isis to further their cause! Can the authorities tell the difference??? Do you trust their judgement???

 

We, like Germany are opening our arms to those who's sole purpose in life is to destroy us!  The goal of radical muslims is to mate with native women so as to increase their population in the host countries!

So why are the refugees sent here mostly male and young??? We are being invaded and our own government is too blind to see it!

 

Europe, as we knew it will soon be gone! A large percentage of the so called refugees are in fact radical muslims and even members of isis!!! They have a long term agenda

to mate with and rape the young girls and women native to the invaded countries so as to increase the muslim population and eventually take over Europe!

 

Where Hitler failed to destroy Germany, despite his evil Nazi regime! Angela Merkel with her Socialist, leftist policies has succeeded! Germany won't come back this time!!!

 

Every red blooded American has a responsibility to NEVER allow this to happen here. Do not allow their seeds of evil to be planted on our soil! I realize they are among us now, but not in such great numbers

yet. We see the horrible things they do to innocents in the name of their god! They want sharia law, an eye for an eye!!!!  Yet we in our politically correct society will take a muslim who has raped children

and beheaded women and put him jail, feed him 3 meals a day that fall within the muslim diet, allow him his prayer rug, point out the direction of mecca and say "This prisoner has rights under our justice system"!!!!

 

This has to stop and we MUST MATCH their evil!  Only then will they fear us!!! Right now they laugh in our faces as they kill Christians for fun! This is not a game anymore and we need to play by their rules!

A Barbarian can only be defeated by a stronger Barbarian! 

 

There are Radicals in our world and there are Realists! Although my words may seem Radical, I assure you I am a Realist! I look at the facts and come to a logical conclusion! There is NO politically correct way to 

defeat this enemy!!! The entire peace loving World must face this fact and take action accordingly!!!

 

Certain words in the above statement were not capitalized purposely!  Paris was a lesson for the world to learn! France has welcomed muslims for years now and has a large population and is paying the ultimate price for their naive kindness!!!  the jihadists have gone too far this time! The entire World should have learned what I learned from those attacks and I will never be the same again. I will never let my guard down!

 

May God bless and keep the souls of those who died in France and give comfort to their families and friends!!!!

Ditto.

This county went Bat S__t Crazy when Ebola came to town. That is nothing compared to this. How long before we give them citizenship and then they will be marching into our own gun stores to arm themselves against us.  Democratic response, "Ban all guns" and it will stick. So we will be left to slaughter at the hands of these refugees.  Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie.  Now is the time to call your Federal Reps and stop this crap. Tell them point blank their job is on the line. Must get the word out.  An army of 200,000, makes you wonder what that summer time crap is in the southwestern states was really about.  We a being played like a violin here people!

 

If you think your CCW will prevent a coordinated attack featuring automatic firearms, hand grenades, and suicide vests, you need to think again. If you are lucky may have a second to react to it, you may even lower the death toll slightly, but you won't prevent it.

 

You pull your piece and start blasting, you just called in a whole lot of attention on yourself.

 

Say there are 6 CCW carriers around, when that other guy skins his blaster in the middle of this scene, what are you going to do? How do you know he is a good guy? How do you k ow he is a bad guy? What do you do?

 

If you are lucky, the gun will get you and yours out of the immediate attack long enough to develop a hasty retreat plan and beat feet.

 

Hell, we argue here because when guys do carry its a 6 shot .380 in their pocket because it's more confortable What are you going to do with that?

 

 

Can't believe the fail in this thread.

 

I just want one or two of the f***ers, put a crimp in their style and hopefully save a lot of lives. BTW, There were only 1 or two on each team in Paris. It is quite possible someone could have interrupted or prevented one of the attacks.

 

Everybody here is only worried about keeping the gun in their pants and jumping out a window because screw all the people dying, I won't fight unless I know it will get me out alive. I guess that's a logical choice under some scenarios, but I in this type of scenario I find it a little disappointing.

 

Shit, we had an airman tackle a guy with an AK and a handgun a couple months ago. I guess he was stupid, too. Odds were unfavorable. I think we had an unarmed man try to tackle a muslim shooting up a school in the US a few weeks ago. Shot 5 time, 7 times? Lived. Do I think he saved any lives? I think it's quite possible.

 

No, there are certainly no Americans that will try to do what needs to be done against overwhelming odds.

 

You know what? Just leave your carry at home. Maybe you should just give him what he wants if you run into trouble.

  

Can't believe the fail in this thread.

I just want one or two of the f***ers, put a crimp in their style and hopefully save a lot of lives. BTW, There were only 1 or two on each team in Paris. It is quite possible someone could have interrupted or prevented one of the attacks.

Everybody here is only worried about keeping the gun in their pants and jumping out a window because screw all the people dying, I won't fight unless I know it will get me out alive. I guess that's a logical choice under some scenarios, but I in this type of scenario I find it a little disappointing.

Shit, we had an airman tackle a guy with an AK and a handgun a couple months ago. I guess he was stupid, too. Odds were unfavorable. I think we had an unarmed man try to tackle a muslim shooting up a school in the US a few weeks ago. Shot 5 time, 7 times? Lived. Do I think he saved any lives? I think it's quite possible.

No, there are certainly no Americans that will try to do what needs to be done against overwhelming odds.

You know what? Just leave your carry at home. Maybe you should just give him what he wants if you run into trouble.

I believe (could be wrong) H.E. Is saying is that if John Q Public ccw guy that's overweight/no training(u tube/video games don't count) aside from maybe a day class whipping out his lcp is not going to have the skill set in place to do much other than at best get him and his own out .....some run toward danger ...others run away from it....each know which is the right choice for them

  

 

Can't believe the fail in this thread.

 

I just want one or two of the f***ers, put a crimp in their style and hopefully save a lot of lives. BTW, There were only 1 or two on each team in Paris. It is quite possible someone could have interrupted or prevented one of the attacks.

 

Everybody here is only worried about keeping the gun in their pants and jumping out a window because screw all the people dying, I won't fight unless I know it will get me out alive. I guess that's a logical choice under some scenarios, but I in this type of scenario I find it a little disappointing.

 

Shit, we had an airman tackle a guy with an AK and a handgun a couple months ago. I guess he was stupid, too. Odds were unfavorable. I think we had an unarmed man try to tackle a muslim shooting up a school in the US a few weeks ago. Shot 5 time, 7 times? Lived. Do I think he saved any lives? I think it's quite possible.

 

No, there are certainly no Americans that will try to do what needs to be done against overwhelming odds.

 

You know what? Just leave your carry at home. Maybe you should just give him what he wants if you run into trouble.

I think the main point being made is to those who say "if only we had CCW in NJ, we'd be able to stop this". Nobody is saying don't fight back, do what you can do, but trying to be realistic. Many of these scumbags get training that most Americans do not have. In most cases they are carrying arms of greater capability than most of us walk around with. 

 

Yes, you are right, we have had some very heroic actions taken recently, but most people, especially if they are with the families are not going to run towards the danger, especially if they are out gunned, but will worry about the safety of their loved ones. Just the way it is.

 

I think the everyone feels they would like to be able to do something, take down the bad guy(s). H.E.'s points I believe were just trying to be realistic for the general population.

If you think your CCW will prevent a coordinated attack featuring automatic firearms, hand grenades, and suicide vests, you need to think again. If you are lucky may have a second to react to it, you may even lower the death toll slightly, but you won't prevent it.

 

You pull your piece and start blasting, you just called in a whole lot of attention on yourself.

 

Say there are 6 CCW carriers around, when that other guy skins his blaster in the middle of this scene, what are you going to do? How do you know he is a good guy? How do you k ow he is a bad guy? What do you do?

 

If you are lucky, the gun will get you and yours out of the immediate attack long enough to develop a hasty retreat plan and beat feet.

 

Hell, we argue here because when guys do carry its a 6 shot .380 in their pocket because it's more confortable What are you going to do with that?

I can't ccw regularly and don't regularly train like I am going to but I've always thought if someone there was ccw'ing it's may increase their chance of getting them and their families out. I'd have no false ideas I'd be taking out a group of heavily armed terrorists. I'm not sure how anyone with at best a glock 19 and a spare 17 round mag would do taking out 6 guys. And very few Carry anywhere near that

There where one or two guys at most sites.

 

Yeah, if I was at the one where they just start executing people that couldn't get away, I would just bow my head down and die.

 

Not.

 

If you have a chance to escape, and you have family with you, that's your decision. Saying having a gun could not change the outcome is nonsense.

 

Most of the guys I know that carry have mid-size/compact (such as G19) or full size for EDC, and BUG.

I join millions of others, offering my sympathy and shared outrage about the tragedy and sickening acts of cold blooded mass murder in Paris, along with the inhuman effect on people they’ve caused.

 

Yet is recoil in the knee-jerk reaction of many people on social media, making all sorts of accusations and linking this tragedy to their other pet issues.  As we are well aware, social media, for all its good, offers a platform for anyone, even those with the barest of grasps on reason and the English language, to become extremely critical loudmouths in need of public validation.

 

Too many people with too many platforms, and no real facts to justify their statements, much less making intelligent 'arguments' for anything, instantly broadcast wild assertions.  I think we can rightfully assume that the families of those killed, are not thinking of ANY of this.  They are in a deep shock, disbelief and grief.  Do we as a society have any ethical and/or moral obligation to restrain ourselves from expressing unsubstantiated opinions as facts?  I think ideally that we should all try to shield them from being further assaulted in mere hours after the events, from ill/non-informed theories, and honor their precious murdered loved ones.  Have we not learned anything from 9/11…?

Now, two days later, as more facts regarding the Paris attacks are becoming public, I think that we can appropriately start discussing very real and rational European fears of attempting to incorporate hundreds of thousands, up to perhaps millions of resettled Middle Easterners within European nations. I think the Paris tragedy could be the straw that broke the proverbial back of the open borders of the European Union.  The altruistic and welcoming attitude of a number of European countries at the beginning of the migration of the Syrian refuges is now beginning to change with the reality that the number of refugees is greater than their respective countries social welfare programs can handle, let alone afford.  Now, an even bigger concern is the recognition that quite likely in this mass exodus, has been and will be a number of Islamist terrorists infiltrators, who are just as determined to maim and kill as the Paris terrorists.  The dream of an open border Europe was an short lived experiment that has probably now ended in the face of this very real concern.

 

AVB-AMG

 

Again, Mipa, cherypicking for your response.

 

NJ Pilot nailed it, and pjd832 Picked up part of what I was saying.

 

Nowhere did I say to cower in fear waiting to die or to not fight back.

 

Nowhere did I say it would be better to be unarmed than armed if caught in a situation like this.

 

What I said was to have a realistic expectation of what you can and can't do with your CCW and the corresponding choices in equipment you make when you decide to carry.

 

I said your response must be tempered against your responsibilities to family/companions and the totality of the circumstances when the event kicks off - Are you in the middle of it or near the edges? Are you alone or with family/friends? Are you near an exit? Have you been seen? Have you been able to ID more than one attacker? Are your skils and equipment up to the task?

 

I said you need to know what you can and can not do with your chosen CCW platform. Know your limitations.

 

I said to keep in mind the disparity of capabilities between your CCW gun vs a rifle in the hands of a terrorists and the effective range of hand grenades and IED/Suicide Vests when confronting them with a pistol.

 

I said that the mere possibility of the presence of an armed individual will not prevent a planned terrorist attack carried out by true believers who are prepared to die in order to carry out their goals. They have no escape plan beyond moving to the next densely populated site and creating more chaos. CCW being permitted in NJ will not magically strike the Garden State from the list of targets on a cave wall in Syria.

 

There is a huge difference between one guy on a train with an AK and 2-3 in a crowded theater with AKs and grenades.

 

Hell, in this series of attacks, by all reports, the guy who seemed to have had the most impact in saving lives was the unarmed security screener at the entrance to the stadium that wouldn't let the guy with the suicide vest into the soccer game. He ended up detonating in the street and only killed 1 person. That caused the other SBIED to detonate in the street as well with minimal casualties.

Yeah and Bill Pascrell wants to expedite the import of Syrian refugees.

Of course he does. I remember on 9/11 when I was flipping through the channels looking for info. Channel 8 showed muzzies in Paterson in the street cheering. That video disappeared like a fart in the wind. Your guess is as good as mine as to why. Disappeared or not, I saw it. It was what it was, muzzies cheering murder. Apparently, the muzzies are part of his base.

Of course he does. I remember on 9/11 when I was flipping through the channels looking for info, Channel 8 showed muzzies in Paterson in the street cheering. That video disappeared like a fart in the wind. Disappeared or not, I saw it. It was what it was, ragheads cheering murder. Apparently, the muzzies are part of his base.

Screw that old fart. They should have buried him with the other mummy. I live next to Paterson and when 911 hit, the vermin were also in the streets chanting. That's when I had 2000 rounds sent to my office. Cross that line and see how far it goes.

 

 

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Screw that old fart. They should have buried him with the other mummy. I live next to Paterson and when 911 hit, the vermin were also in the streets chanting. That's when I had 2000 rounds sent to my office. Cross that line and see how far it goes.

 

Nothing you said contradicts my core beliefs.

Screw that old fart. They should have buried him with the other mummy. I live next to Paterson and when 911 hit, the vermin were also in the streets chanting. That's when I had 2000 rounds sent to my office. Cross that line and see how far it goes.

 

Nothing you said contradicts my core beliefs.

I know... Should have replied to the other post. Was more or less agreeing with you.

 

 

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French launched 10 jets and dropped 20 bombs on Raqqa, Syria. Hit an Isis command center and recruiting center. The extremely ultra liberal French President has attacked isis more in this one Attack that our worthless C-I-C has done in the last 2 yrs.

While most will clap and say "Yea, France", I look at this as a total failure. So, am I to believe that 20 targets just appeared for the French to bomb in the last 24 hours? Or....is the truth that we had the intel on at least 20 targets that haven't been bombed before? Why? What this all tells me is a complete lack of will. If someone wanted to send a message, emptying 20 B52's would have been a message rather than twenty surgical strikes with ten aircraft on targets that should have been destroyed a long time ago.

 

Again, Mipa, cherypicking for your response.

 

NJ Pilot nailed it, and pjd832 Picked up part of what I was saying.

 

Nowhere did I say to cower in fear waiting to die or to not fight back.

 

Nowhere did I say it would be better to be unarmed than armed if caught in a situation like this.

 

What I said was to have a realistic expectation of what you can and can't do with your CCW and the corresponding choices in equipment you make when you decide to carry.

 

I said your response must be tempered against your responsibilities to family/companions and the totality of the circumstances when the event kicks off - Are you in the middle of it or near the edges? Are you alone or with family/friends? Are you near an exit? Have you been seen? Have you been able to ID more than one attacker? Are your skils and equipment up to the task?

 

I said you need to know what you can and can not do with your chosen CCW platform. Know your limitations.

 

I said to keep in mind the disparity of capabilities between your CCW gun vs a rifle in the hands of a terrorists and the effective range of hand grenades and IED/Suicide Vests when confronting them with a pistol.

 

I said that the mere possibility of the presence of an armed individual will not prevent a planned terrorist attack carried out by true believers who are prepared to die in order to carry out their goals. They have no escape plan beyond moving to the next densely populated site and creating more chaos. CCW being permitted in NJ will not magically strike the Garden State from the list of targets on a cave wall in Syria.

 

There is a huge difference between one guy on a train with an AK and 2-3 in a crowded theater with AKs and grenades.

 

Hell, in this series of attacks, by all reports, the guy who seemed to have had the most impact in saving lives was the unarmed security screener at the entrance to the stadium that wouldn't let the guy with the suicide vest into the soccer game. He ended up detonating in the street and only killed 1 person. That caused the other SBIED to detonate in the street as well with minimal casualties.

I did the opposite of cherry picking it. I soapboxed it. It wasn't your post I was after. This crap pissed me off Friday or early yesterday, with everybody unanimous that nobody with a gun could have changed anything and everyone should run. I just clicked back today from the last page and your post was the first of the sort that mentioned something like that. It was not a personal response to you.

 

There may be no Men in this thread, because I am certain you (in the general sense, again soapboxing) will include me in that assertion, but the truth is there are Men in America. Heck, there are Women, too. And I gave recent examples.

While most will clap and say "Yea, France", I look at this as a total failure. So, am I to believe that 20 targets just appeared for the French to bomb in the last 24 hours? Or....is the truth that we had the intel on at least 20 targets that haven't been bombed before? Why? What this all tells me is a complete lack of will. If someone wanted to send a message, emptying 20 B52's would have been a message rather than twenty surgical strikes with ten aircraft on targets that should have been destroyed a long time ago.

on one hand, i agree with ya....shit shoulda been hammered years ago if they really knew about it. on the other hand....at least they went ahead and did something.

on one hand, i agree with ya....shit shoulda been hammered years ago if they really knew about it. on the other hand....at least they went ahead and did something.

Too late though. This country is no better. We refuse to install a light at a dangerous intersection because it cost money. Then someone gets killed in that intersection. Maybe another. It has to make the news for someone to instigate them to install a light.

Now not knowing todays traffic light costs, I can give you an idea from the 70's or 80's when I can recall them being about $50k for one light. Just a bulb and a timer of sort. How does that cost equate to a human life? How does these terror attacks equate to wasteful spending especially if there is a shooting solution?

 

Point similar to what HE said. I agree, they knew there was a problem, targets and nobody did anything? Retired high ranking officers openly admitted this morning, they know where they are but our govt won't do anything.

 

Like the child struck in the intersection, their mentality caused the same outcome but on a grand scale.

 

Nobody wants to ruffle feathers. They want to stave off offending people, smoozing, NOT spend money.... Until lives are lost! If it's a money thing, shame on everyone. If its smoozing, shame on you. You paid the price. Isn't France noted for not wanting to ruffle feathers? At what cost does these effing countries step up and do something instead of waiting for the inevitable? Pisses me off.

 

 

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