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They really are trying to kill this country.  This would put a lot of people out of work.

The government seems to hate Car people, Motorcycle people and Gun people.

It's a shame that we can unite against our common enemy.

The problem is, and I know of professional shops, that make their living turning legal road cars, into illegal road cars. How many people actually convert to all off-road racers? Very little in comparison to the people who continue to drive there modified vehicle on the road. In my opinion, they have been turning their feet into swiss cheese and its finally caught up. Soo I don't blame the EPA for finally saying if you won't keep ur car off the street we will just end the sale of parts.

Hmmm. My 145" turbo road king gets better fuel economy than when new.

The problem is, and I know of professional shops, that make their living turning legal road cars, into illegal road cars. How many people actually convert to all off-road racers? Very little in comparison to the people who continue to drive there modified vehicle on the road. In my opinion, they have been turning their feet into swiss cheese and its finally caught up. Soo I don't blame the EPA for finally saying if you won't keep ur car off the street we will just end the sale of parts.

 

And why should they not have the freedom to do that?

These 'regulations' were not written by our representatives, but by bureaucrats.

Divide and conquer.... Reminds me of this quote,

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

 

This political year is getting very interesting.

The problem is, and I know of professional shops, that make their living turning legal road cars, into illegal road cars. How many people actually convert to all off-road racers? Very little in comparison to the people who continue to drive there modified vehicle on the road. In my opinion, they have been turning their feet into swiss cheese and its finally caught up. Soo I don't blame the EPA for finally saying if you won't keep ur car off the street we will just end the sale of parts.

Who cares what someone else does to their car?  Let the violators be caught, don't try to regulate and entire industry.  What about the people that are doing this legally, why should they be penalized because someone is violating a rule? (sound somewhat familiar?)

New Jersey has already banned any kind of modified vehicle and pretty much every vehicle over about 15 years old. 

 

Ever try to bring any kind of car or truck with a carburetor through inspection? It won't pass unless you change the timing and fuel ratio to the point it runs so bad its undriveable. 

 

It's all about money making. Your old car won't pass so you have to buy a new one witch me and more tax money, more registration money etc...  

 

NJ is just a huge money making machine.

They aren't going to regulate it. They are going to end it. So it wont be a problem anymore. You wont be able to buy any parts other then OEM. 

 But its only a few that this will effect. Who cares as long as it doesn't effect me.

(sound familiar?)

Seriously, I'm getting worried about this country. We over legislate on the stupid $h!t. We should be worried about decreasing the deficit, paying off the gov's bills, promoting ourselves as a technological and scientific center.

 

But we are too worried about paying the bills of those who don't deserve it through socio-economic programs like welfare and obamacare. We're eroding more and more freedoms everyday. And the general public only cafes about the Kardashians and how much money kanye west is in debt for.

 

I am really worried that were already too far down the path to right the ship.

 

 

 

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Seriously, I'm getting worried about this country. We over legislate on the stupid $h!t. We should be worried about decreasing the deficit, paying off the gov's bills, promoting ourselves as a technological and scientific center.

 

But we are too worried about paying the bills of those who don't deserve it through socio-economic programs like welfare and obamacare. We're eroding more and more freedoms everyday. And the general public only cafes about the Kardashians and how much money kanye west is in debt for.

 

I am really worried that were already too far down the path to right the ship.

 

 

 

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Plus 1! Exactly. This state alone imho has too many laws now. So many, they forget the ones that exist and write the same thing back in as the latest and greatest.

How fooken stupid is this law?

 

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New Jersey has already banned any kind of modified vehicle and pretty much every vehicle over about 15 years old.

 

Ever try to bring any kind of car or truck with a carburetor through inspection? It won't pass unless you change the timing and fuel ratio to the point it runs so bad its undriveable.

 

It's all about money making. Your old car won't pass so you have to buy a new one witch me and more tax money, more registration money etc...

 

NJ is just a huge money making machine.

When I lived in NJ I brought my 20-something year old F150 in for inspection. OBD1 EFI so they checked my gas caps and said have a nice day. Same deal with carbs.

 

The only car with a carb I ever drove had QQs.

Who cares what someone else does to their car? Let the violators be caught, don't try to regulate and entire industry. What about the people that are doing this legally, why should they be penalized because someone is violating a rule? (sound somewhat familiar?)

Best yet.

Seriously, I'm getting worried about this country.

 

 

 

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Dunno how old you are, but I started worrying about our country about 30 years ago.  I'm not exactly an old man, at least not yet, but I'm old enough to remember when things were better.  Believe it or not, NJ did not suck as much 30 years ago.  Anyway, the time to have started worrying was long long ago.  I'm no longer worried, I'm frightened.

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New Jersey has already banned any kind of modified vehicle and pretty much every vehicle over about 15 years old. 

 

Ever try to bring any kind of car or truck with a carburetor through inspection? It won't pass unless you change the timing and fuel ratio to the point it runs so bad its undriveable. 

 

It's all about money making. Your old car won't pass so you have to buy a new one witch me and more tax money, more registration money etc...  

 

NJ is just a huge money making machine.

matter of fact, i HAVE gotten carburated cars to pass. the limits are higher on those older models, and if you can't make it pass, then something's in need of repair.

I'm 25. If I started worrying 30 years ago, I think people would start asking other questions

 

Point being is your right... But there are so many people drinking the kool-aid, I'm not sure even a concentrated effort of people on both sides of the party line are going to make a difference...

 

History repeats itself, I just hope were not headed to another civil war.

Dunno how old you are, but I started worrying about our country about 30 years ago. I'm not exactly an old man, at least not yet, but I'm old enough to remember when things were better. Believe it or not, NJ did not suck as much 30 years ago. Anyway, the time to have started worrying was long long ago. I'm no longer worried, I'm frightened.

 

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If we are headed into one cane we speed it up. I dont wanna be too old

 

 

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Another case of government regulating an entire industry out of business. That should really help the unemployment numbers.

Who cares what someone else does to their car?  Let the violators be caught, don't try to regulate and entire industry.  What about the people that are doing this legally, why should they be penalized because someone is violating a rule? (sound somewhat familiar?)

Well apparently the powers that would be care. These are the people responsible for the clean air act.. I do find it funny that the people who are complaining the most are the ones modifying and driving vehicles for on-road use..

 

I agree that its an over reach, but at the the same time for a agency who's job it is to make sure the clean air act is followed they are doing what they should. Let the people get caught? that's like saying allow the sale of weapons to anyone and we'll just arrest the people who shouldnt have them when their caught... Personally i would rather LEO enforcement go to things a bit more important than modified vehicles. Im sorry but why should we allow catalytic delete's J pipes and the like when 99% of the time they are going on street cars? It's not the "few" who ruin it for the rest.... My friends shop spits out new high end road cars that are modified daily that would never pass an emission test.

 

Yes, they are painting with quite a broad brush which why i dont see this going anywhere... some modifications can improve emissions, but lets be serious here, that's not very often.

I disagree here.

The bureaucrats are just tightening the regulations and enforcement to justify THEIR existence.

The benefit to air quality will be too small to measure, but they will put thousands of people out of work.

I disagree here.

The bureaucrats are just tightening the regulations and enforcement to justify THEIR existence.

The benefit to air quality will be too small to measure, but they will put thousands of people out of work.

The air will be here and be fine long after humans are gone.

The air will be here and be fine long after humans are gone.

And as a human living here now it would be great to breath fresh clean air.

 

Technically, most shops are already in illegal business practices when they let a vehicle drive out of their shops when fresh install off-road modifications.

I guess I'm the only guy who doesn't care how much my mustang pollutes as long as it's fast

 

 

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And as a human living here now it would be great to breath fresh clean air.

 

Technically, most shops are already in illegal business practices when they let a vehicle drive out of their shops when fresh install off-road modifications.

 

First off, you live in the wrong area of the country if you want to breath fresh air. Second, as a previous poser stated, the difference in air quality would be immeasurable. If hot rods are really going to kill us off, the human race would have ended in the 60's.

Lol.., don't forget cow flatulence! [emoji243]

 

 

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I guess by today's standards, my 77 Trans Am was a crime against humanity.  7MPG out of a modified Olds 403.  Gosh, I wonder how many tree frogs I killed with that beast.

 

The fact is, 95% (probably more) of car owners don't modify their cars.  For the less than 5% of modded cars out there, I hardly doubt they are causing any more harm to the environment than the manufacturers of the smart phone, tablet PC or desktop PC any of us are using to communicate on this forum.

First off, you live in the wrong area of the country if you want to breath fresh air. Second, as a previous poser stated, the difference in air quality would be immeasurable. If hot rods are really going to kill us off, the human race would have ended in the 60's.

I live in the wrong part of the country for many different reasons... Maybe the difference is negligible, in this very specific instance in a short period of time. But the EPA doesn't just go after people who modify their vehicles, to them every little bit adds up over time and this is one little piece of the pie they are going after right now.. The other option, which some seem to be for, is why bother even regulating emissions...

 

Most people who are against regulation of emissions cant even see past the CO2 argument.

 

I don't believe in the ban of these things, moderation never hurt anyone... just like having a vehicle registered as a classic it can only be driven so much per year.

 

 

The fact is, 95% (probably more) of car owners don't modify their cars. 

Because it's not legal most of the time....

Air pollution has been on a downward trend for decades.

However, it will NEVER reach zero

The question is how much are we willing to pay for ever diminishing returns on the investment.

 

 

http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/the-steady-march-toward-cleaner-air/

 

 

Because it's not legal most of the time....

 

What ever happened to Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

Of course Happiness is defined as a Track Day Car