Meanwhile the US gov is the biggest polluter in the world.

That doesn't sound right. Can you cite a reference?

That doesn't sound right. Can you cite a reference?

Really depends on the context. We have one of the largest carbon footprints per person. We also waste a lot.

Not a single carb approved supercharger comes out of my friends shop. They are off road use only ESS superchargers. They offer a tune that will pass inspection, but when you pay the money you do for that kit your not gonna leave meat on the bone with a crappy tune. Most dealer installed performance parts leave a lot of power left with a eco friendly tune.

 

Who says, yes give me that 7k super charger, now program the tune that keeps me Street legal? Or give me the most power you can with out blowing up the engine.

What percentage of vehicle owners would you surmise do this?

I understood that 100LL is already on schedule to be regulated out of existence in a few years:

 

http://www.aopa.org/Advocacy/Regulatory-,-a-,-Certification-Policy/100LL-avgas-replacement?CMP=HPS.ADV4U

well that's gonna suck....and add to the already expensive sport of flying......

trees are not our primary source of oxygen.

But think of all the hugging that is possible.

Jacks argument is not false here. We al need to do more. It's more an argument of return on investment

Not a single carb approved supercharger comes out of my friends shop. They are off road use only ESS superchargers. They offer a tune that will pass inspection, but when you pay the money you do for that kit your not gonna leave meat on the bone with a crappy tune. Most dealer installed performance parts leave a lot of power left with a eco friendly tune.

 

Who says, yes give me that 7k super charger, now program the tune that keeps me Street legal? Or give me the most power you can with out blowing up the engine.

the dealer installed supercharger on the 016 stangs will put ya in the 10's in the 1/4. if that's leaving a lot of power......it's be cool to see an aftermarket tune put an emissions legal car into the 9's.

 

 and your friend is risking someday paying some hefty fines. the stuff he's installing may not necessarily be polluting.....but if it's not street legal, and he's putting it on street driven cars, he could well be setting himself up.

 

 also......zl1, and gt500. two FACTORY supercharged cars.

 

 i see lots of guys on one of the mustang pages crying. because they did shit they KNEW was illegal to their cars(kalifornia you can get popped for loud exhaust), then getting caught, and made to go to a reinspection, in which they need to remove all the non-approved shit.

What percentage of vehicle owners would you surmise do this?

there's shops that make their living off of modifying vehicles. and they make a better living than some of us that do stock repairs. jdm enterprises. radical racing. 1/4 mile performance. kaspers corner.

there's shops that make their living off of modifying vehicles. and they make a better living than some of us that do stock repairs. jdm enterprises. radical racing. 1/4 mile performance. kaspers corner.

Ya, but what are we talking about here?

We still have emissions testing here

What percentage of vehicle owners would you surmise do this?

Of the percentage that modify their cars, a lot. It's like a sad game with the people I know as to who can delete their cats faster then the other because it gives them a negligible increase in HP. Not that I don't love the smell, I'm a pretty big gear head begin with.

 

Take a look at OC Maryland during H20 and tell me how many of the vehicles are road legal... That town makes bank a couple weekends out of the year.

Of the percentage that modify their cars, a lot. It's like a sad game with the people I know as to who can delete their cats faster then the other because it gives them a negligible increase in HP. Not that I don't love the smell, I'm a pretty big gear head begin with.

 

Take a look at OC Maryland during H20 and tell me how many of the vehicles a road legal... That town makes bank a couple weekenda out of the year.

I think you are viewing this from your own paradigm.

 

Let me rephrase, what percentage of all vehicle owners you think do this?

I think you are viewing this from your own paradigm.

 

Let me rephrase, what percentage of all vehicle owners you think do this?

We've already discussed that it is a small percentage...

 

Look guys, I never said I was for this... All I'm saying is I'm not surprised... I have a few friends who's entire livelihood hinges on the "aftermarket"

 

Did you ever wonder why it costs more $$ to register a bike in NJ then a standard car? That is a real brain teaser.

well that's gonna suck....and add to the already expensive sport of flying......

It's the SPORT part that makes us vulnerable.

Any minority is easy to oppress.

I feel as if there is an ulterior motive with the EPA looking to ban this.  There exists a couple of lawsuits pending for right to repair for automobiles.  This mean's that the car manufacturers would be required to unlock the ECU of the vehicle for tuning/repairs instead of using factory OEM tools to unlock the programming.  As an example.  I have a Diablo Sport but it will not unlock the ECU of a 2015 Jeep.  Although I own the vehicle Chrysler cannot be compelled to unlock the ECU for me to do whatever I want with it.  From my understanding this does not affect OBDII codes but I can't change the parameters for installing bigger tires and have to go to Chrysler, explain why I want a lift and bigger tires, then they do the programming. They would also have to provide repair manuals which most people use to install after market modifications, if the EPA bans after market modifications then the automobile lobby gets to brush this under the rug as if it never happened.

This would all but destroy the road racing in the US. In 2005, my friend was doing the Grand Am series (a subsidiary of the Rolex series). They initially told him that anyone racing the brand new 997 series Porsche 911's could not modify their exhaust systems. After the very first race, the all of the new 997's, that were racing, *melted* the catalytic converters and would barely run after the race. They cannot take that kind of use. So this regulation would make it impossible to even race any street cars, even though these cars are far from street legal when they are finished with them. This whole thing is totally ridiculous. Time to get rid of all the 3 letter govt agencies (EPA, DOE, etc.)....

F*ck them. F*ck 'em with the camshaft from my 347CID solid roller, un-catted, strait piped, WS6 TA.

Ya, but what are we talking about here?

We still have emissions testing here

yes we do....but those CARB and EPA approved parts will pass emissions. also.....OBD2 does not get emissions tested, unless over 8500GVW

Of the percentage that modify their cars, a lot. It's like a sad game with the people I know as to who can delete their cats faster then the other because it gives them a negligible increase in HP. Not that I don't love the smell, I'm a pretty big gear head begin with.

 

Take a look at OC Maryland during H20 and tell me how many of the vehicles are road legal... That town makes bank a couple weekends out of the year.

taking your cats out doesn't give you shit these days.......

I feel as if there is an ulterior motive with the EPA looking to ban this.  There exists a couple of lawsuits pending for right to repair for automobiles.  This mean's that the car manufacturers would be required to unlock the ECU of the vehicle for tuning/repairs instead of using factory OEM tools to unlock the programming.  As an example.  I have a Diablo Sport but it will not unlock the ECU of a 2015 Jeep.  Although I own the vehicle Chrysler cannot be compelled to unlock the ECU for me to do whatever I want with it.  From my understanding this does not affect OBDII codes but I can't change the parameters for installing bigger tires and have to go to Chrysler, explain why I want a lift and bigger tires, then they do the programming. They would also have to provide repair manuals which most people use to install after market modifications, if the EPA bans after market modifications then the automobile lobby gets to brush this under the rug as if it never happened.

you've nailed it. but....us at repair shops can go into most computers. mercedes and volvo are getting tougher though

taking your cats out doesn't give you shit these days.......

Not if the car is tuned for it. Back in 2002-2004 ish I used to have FLP headers which allowed me to swap cats and off road pipes in only a few minutes. The difference on the dyno was 13-15rwhp.

Yeah when I went to an off road x pipe it def helped. Plus it sounds better

 

 

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i'm talking more modern than that.....although, i'm sure you could've tuned for that power with the cats in place. todays cats simply aren't very restrictive.....in the case of your stang shawn........THAT i get. what'd it have? 4 if i remember correctly? i know the fox body 5 liters had that many......

http://www.thedrive.com/article/2137/epa-clarifies-its-position-on-race-cars-internet-freaks-out

I feel as if there is an ulterior motive with the EPA looking to ban this. There exists a couple of lawsuits pending for right to repair for automobiles. This mean's that the car manufacturers would be required to unlock the ECU of the vehicle for tuning/repairs instead of using factory OEM tools to unlock the programming. As an example. I have a Diablo Sport but it will not unlock the ECU of a 2015 Jeep. Although I own the vehicle Chrysler cannot be compelled to unlock the ECU for me to do whatever I want with it. From my understanding this does not affect OBDII codes but I can't change the parameters for installing bigger tires and have to go to Chrysler, explain why I want a lift and bigger tires, then they do the programming. They would also have to provide repair manuals which most people use to install after market modifications, if the EPA bans after market modifications then the automobile lobby gets to brush this under the rug as if it never happened.

there are 2 program modules that I know of that can crack the Jeeps ECU, both the 3.8 and 3.6 and its needed if you add a SC and has preset tunes for you to load.

Think about this...if the EPA mandates that any modified cars are solely limited to non-public roads, does that mean running a machine at the track for several hours (at full throttle) will not affect air quality beyond the track?  As if Stephen King dropped domes over every private track so the air won't mix?

It's not race cars that the epa wants to ban. It's cars.

This is just one commons sense compromise that will move us in that direction.

Hear me out.

Why not tax upgrades and use that money to incentivize purchasing of green products. We all want breath and drink clean water.

So if I have plus over here, I'll get a negative over there.....

 

Or we already do that?

Hear me out.

Why not tax upgrades and use that money to incentivize purchasing of green products. We all want breath and drink clean water.

So if I have plus over here, I'll get a negative over there.....

 

Or we already do that?

Technically the model already exists.

 

Not sure if we still do but I recall incentives to purchase energy star appliances. And on the other hand we have the gas guzzler tax.

Then why more?

F*ck them. F*ck 'em with the camshaft from my 347CID solid roller, un-catted, strait piped, WS6 TA.

 

+1 

 

Everything fun is always on the chopping block. Tired of it!