Okay so this is a weird one. I've been thinking about how to describe the situation but I have no idea how to so here we go.

• I have an NJ FID
  
• My father does not.
  
• His employee does not.
  

Now my father own's a store in NJ. I've been thinking about keeping a firearm here for his/mine/employee protection. While i'm working, i've been thinking about CCW on the premises. What if something happens where he or his employee is forced to use it without having an FID?

(Father rent's out the floor/level store is located on, is it legal for me to CCW? It's his property though, not mine? But technically it's family property and i'm his son? Idk it's confusing.. Might need to talk to lawyer).

Also the same thing, CCW at the house. Parents own the house, so it's their property, can I still carry when i'm home?

I don't live in a dangerous area or are at a high level of risk, but i've been kidnapped and held at gunpoint for trusting the wrong person (like an idiot) and now feel like I can't give out trust that easily. So a firearm as a backup would be lovely.

AANNDDD Yes before everyone goes crazy, I know the simple versions of NJ CCW laws. I'm not carrying outside of the property, only on the premises.

Not so much a ccw issue as an illegal transfer.

What if something happens where he or his employee is forced to use it without having an FID?]

 

Not so much a ccw issue, as an illegal transfer.

I'd be interested to know, too. If you are in imminent danger, aren't you entitled to pick up anything at hand to defend yourself?

If it isnt your house or the range I believe you are breaking the law just bringing it there... the workplace I mean.

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I wouldn't carry ANYWHERE in NJ unless it's your home OR property in your name either owned or leased. Your father owns the business, not you, family has nothing to do with it, unless he wants a partner.

Legal to CARRY where you LIVE and at the business you OWN.

 

ETA: Do you care if it is legal to USE if you need it to SAVE a life?

 

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Legal to CARRY where you LIVE and at the business you OWN.

 

ETA: Do care if it is legal to USE if you need it to SAVE a life?

 

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So I can't carry at my dad's business but I can carry at home?

What makes you think you can carry in someone else's business? Home carry is always OK provided it's your residence or property.

What makes you think you can carry in someone else's business?

 Because that's my father? I'm his employee? And I've been to ranges / LGS where employees are open carrying and i'm pretty sure all those 10/15 people there dont meet the BS "Justifiable Needs" to be able to carry.

No, you can not carry at Daddy's business without a permit. LGS Employees probably have a permit.

 

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Because that's my father? I'm his employee? And I've been to ranges / LGS where employees are open carrying and i'm pretty sure all those 10/15 people there dont meet the BS "Justifiable Needs" to be able to carry.

 

Obviously you can carry at a range, how else do you shoot? It's getting permission to do so. Some LGS employees may get permits only to carry at work.

 

A father son relationship and or employee in the eyes of the law is about as relevant as being a complete stranger or patron.

 

Is it a range?

Is it your home?

Is it your property?

Is it your business?

Do you have rights to the property?

Do you have a CCW?

 

If the answer is no, then no carry.

Obviously you can carry at a range, how else do you shoot? It's getting permission to do so. Some LGS employees may get permits only to carry at work.

 

A father son relationship and or employee in the eyes of the law is about as relevant as being a complete stranger or patron.

 

Is it a range?

Is it your home?

Is it your property?

Is it your business?

Do you have rights to the property?

Do you have a CCW?

 

If the answer is no, then no carry.

 

So is there a way for me to get a permit to carry my weapon at work?

 

Also, by your statement that means I can't carry at home either? It is my home but it's not my property.

Sorry, They are right no carry at your fathers business. So what's the story about getting kidnapped?

So is there a way for me to get a permit to carry my weapon at work?

 

Also, by your statement that means I can't carry at home either? It is my home but it's not my property.

It's not a must meet all requirements. If you can say yes to any of those statements your OK to carry. You can carry on your residence no matter who owns it by law.

I wonder if you owned 1% of the business if that makes you a part owner and could?

I wonder if you owned 1% of the business if that makes you a part owner and could?

 

0% is fine. Just need name on paperwork. 

It's not a must meet all requirements. If you can say yes to any of those statements your OK to carry. You can carry on your residence no matter who owns it by law.

 

Okay well I guess if that's a general view of it, it makes sense. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. 

 

Sorry, They are right no carry at your fathers business. So what's the story about getting kidnapped?

 

I don't really feel comfortable explaining the story. (I've only told one person outside my family and that's my ex lol). In basic terms, was kidnapped, held at gunpoint, robbed, thrown on the side of street situation.

 

0% is fine. Just need name on paperwork. 

 

So if my father gets his FID and buys a firearm to keep here, I still wouldn't be able too unless my name is on the paperwork?

So this may be a legit convo....

 

Now PK what's your opinion on it all has to do with the prosecutor?

 

We all know the law but how it's enforced is up to the prosecutor.

orangesolo:
 

Back in January of this year, I asked a similar question.  Specifically, are employees at public gun ranges allowed to open carry guns?
I was asking since my interpretation of NJ law was that they may not, even though it seems pretty common.  But as you will see if you read the multiple responses, it is a question still in debate.

Here is the link to that thread:

 

http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/79963-is-it-legal-in-nj-for-gun-rangestore-employees-to-open-carry/?hl=%2Bcan+%2Bgun+%2Brange+%2Bemployees+%2Bopen+%2Bcarry+%2Bguns%3F

 

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In basic terms, was kidnapped, held at gunpoint, robbed, thrown on the side of street situation.

 

In NJ this still wouldn't meet the bar for Justifiable Need /bitter sarcasm

 

In all seriousness, how is the above different from Almeida (sp?).

 

 

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Forget kidnapping. If you are murdered you probably meet the JN requirements (note that I said probably-it would have to be a hit on you not just a random shooting). Gotta love NJ.

If the OP was kidnapped and has proof (police report, etc.) and has the money to sue NJ, i'm sure he'll get a permit too. They certainly wont give it willingly.

If the OP was kidnapped and has proof (police report, etc.) and has the money to sue NJ, i'm sure he'll get a permit too. They certainly wont give it willingly.

 

I doubt that. How many people ever get kidnapped twice? He won't have to ever worry about that again.

 

Okay so this is a weird one. I've been thinking about how to describe the situation but I have no idea how to so here we go.

• I have an NJ FID
• My father does not.
• His employee does not.

Now my father own's a store in NJ. I've been thinking about keeping a firearm here for his/mine/employee protection. While i'm working, i've been thinking about CCW on the premises. What if something happens where he or his employee is forced to use it without having an FID?

(Father rent's out the floor/level store is located on, is it legal for me to CCW? It's his property though, not mine? But technically it's family property and i'm his son? Idk it's confusing.. Might need to talk to lawyer).

Also the same thing, CCW at the house. Parents own the house, so it's their property, can I still carry when i'm home?

I don't live in a dangerous area or are at a high level of risk, but i've been kidnapped and held at gunpoint for trusting the wrong person (like an idiot) and now feel like I can't give out trust that easily. So a firearm as a backup would be lovely.

AANNDDD Yes before everyone goes crazy, I know the simple versions of NJ CCW laws. I'm not carrying outside of the property, only on the premises.

 

the fPid doesn't matter. what DOES matter is that no one is allowed to carry on his business, except him. only the business owner may carry on his fixed place of business.

Okay well I guess if that's a general view of it, it makes sense. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. 

 

 

I don't really feel comfortable explaining the story. (I've only told one person outside my family and that's my ex lol). In basic terms, was kidnapped, held at gunpoint, robbed, thrown on the side of street situation.

 

 

So if my father gets his FID and buys a firearm to keep here, I still wouldn't be able too unless my name is on the paperwork?

Exactly. The law hasn't changed since the start of this thread lol. 

Is the business an exempted location to transport a firearm to?

If the OP was kidnapped and has proof (police report, etc.) and has the money to sue NJ, i'm sure he'll get a permit too. They certainly wont give it willingly.

I do have proof that it was a kidnapping and armed robbery, the only charge that didnt stick was illegal possession of a firearm (he obviously threw the gun away or hid it). Court starts in september.

Is the business an exempted location to transport a firearm to?

It is for the business owner(s) ONLY.