4 minutes ago, Parker said:

Agreed on the lack of evidence of Republican campaigning. They are months behind Murphy.

They have a machine. We have a bicycle. He has the support of Hollywood, the media and Washington insiders like BHO. We can't even all agree that we should vote for her. It's a game of attrition played by expert tactiticians on one side and three kids with a frisbee on the other. Since the republican contingency isn't getting anything, it's tough to round us up and get us to vote. We have distinct groups that figh each other t, they have single mindedness of purpose.  Anything/anyone v. Trump. 

During the '16 election, the feminist rhetoric was at a fever pitch. Pissy pussy hats, etc. Yet in Georgia nary a word from femisnists. In NJ, where are the pro-women demonstrators? Where's the shatter the glass ceiling? Nope, crickets. Their ideology, principals and doctrine are fluid to the whims of the elite. We argue the finer points of RINOism, republican progressives and evangelicals. Have you seen and public "he's not progressive enough" bullshit from the left? BHO was a disappointment to hard lefties, where were the head lines? You know that the socialists didn't vote for Trump, yet a ton of conservatives didn't vote for Trump either.

It's simple black and white, market share theology where numbers are all that matter. We gots some learnin' to do and quick. 

We try to make them understand, they will say anything keep them in the dark and vote against their interests. 

The stodgy old republican establishment, you know the ones that didn't go to the convention, needs to die off. We need people that can type with their thumbs. Relentless marketers that have one goal, win. Fuck ideology. 

Contraception? Free box of rubbers with every six pack or bottle of vodka. 

Single Moms? Tax credits for transparent stilleto heels. 

Gays? Paint over the gold leaf on the capital with a rainbow. 

Minorities? Unshackle NJ businesses from the oppressive tax system so that hiring starts again.

Of course I'm being facetious, except for the last one. But Dems will say anything to get a vote. Remember ObamaPhones? How nuts was that? All marketing. 

Stop Murphy at all costs.

I realize that all this could be seen as selling out. I see it as buying in.  

if we don't, they win.

 

Good flick.  

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On 6/18/2017 at 11:51 AM, gunnarsport said:

Hi,

Just interested in a fun little poll here and would like everyone's thoughts.............

Since, at this point at least, its all but certain that NJ WILL have a liberal democrat governor come Jan 2018, give me a percentage change that the magazine limit will immediately be reduced to 10 rounds.....

100%?

75%?

50%?

One of the reasons I ask this is I have a permit and wondering if its a waste of money to buy a 9mm with 15 round magazines. Wondering if I should just buy one with 10 rounds magazines and be done with it.

Thanks

10 rounds if you're lucky.

They'll push for 5.......and most likely get it.

5 hours ago, Walt of Destiny said:

Here's a good "for instance"...

Right meow, as I type this, dem operatives are signing up whomever they can to "early vote". I put "early vote" in quotes because it's the shell game they play with voter rolls. The local operatives get names of the dead, dying and house bound democrats, along with legitimate voters lured in to an "event" that feeds them to sign up for early and absentee votes. Once the vote is cast, there's no identifying it so you can't nullify fraudulent votes. Early voting is a problem  one that the dems use to their advantage.

Republicans have no such program. 

As I keep saying, we don't play this game well. Frankly we are too honorable to game the system. We aren't even good at gerrymandering, which is a huge loophole in voter rights. 

We need to turn the tables. The NRA should be rounding up people to vote early now...

Murphy is an avoidable disaster. 

Tell someone to vote for Kim today. Have them do the same to the next guy or girl. To working folk this crap sounds silly and infantile. But it's how a community organizer got into a place where he tried to take guns away from social security recipients. 

Kim needs to spin CC to use against Murphy. He's going to hit her hard with Christie, she needs to defuse it by accepting the connection not trying to distance herself. Trump can help her. 

Too stupid is more like it.  

Yup, probably 5 rounds im thinking. I guess I wont even bother with this current permit.

There is a chance that if the new laws are so onerous, that they eliminate the 2A in NJ, it could make it to the Supreme Court.

That may actually be a good thing this time around.

3 minutes ago, Fred2 said:

There is a chance that if the new laws are so onerous, that they eliminate the 2A in NJ, it could make it to the Supreme Court.

That may actually be a good thing this time around.

It's never a good thing. I don't see a clear path to the supremes fussing over a state's supremacy on this. In the interim, we are all left to the mercy of thugs and gangs better armed than us. 

This is like blacks saying, "you know, I kinda miss having our own bathrooms"

 

6 minutes ago, gunnarsport said:

Yup, probably 5 rounds im thinking. I guess I wont even bother with this current permit.

Go buy a gun. 

Well, if the new limit is just 5 rounds, I guess it better than ZERO! I've always wanted a Glock 17. Now especially since 15 rounds magazine are available. But what's the point since we now what is coming in 2018.

Sooner or later, the SC is going to have to define the word Infringed.

3 hours ago, bhunted said:

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I had some for breakfast today at Honey's in Fairfield  Maybe I had too many.  

I may not be tough enough to say with 100% conviction, "Only from my cold dead hands," but I sure as hell intend to exercise my current legal right to purchase NJ-legal firearms and 15-round magazines with all the proper paperwork in hand. If the time comes when the NJ law changes, I'll deal with it then. I honestly don't understand conceding defeat in a fight that hasn't even officially started. With that attitude the NJ legislators don't have to do a thing to further curtail the law, we'll do it to ourselves!

Assuming there is ever legislation passed and signed into law to limit magazines to 10 rounds, it will come down to how many resources they can devote to "policing" that legislation... whether it be a full force "confiscation" attempt (which I doubt, seriously), or (more likely) additional charges for  being caught "in state" with them (at which point they would be confiscated). 

I think the best alternative is to have all those mags take a little "vacation"  out of state.. Find a place where you can store them out of state and then use them when you are in that state (or any state other than NJ). I gather PA is the more likely choice for most of you.

I will offer a "free" storage service for any NJGF members that want to send them on vacation to Florida! Come visit them anytime you like.  When you finally GTFO  NJ and move to a free state,  they'll be waiting for you.  It's what I did when A2006 was getting close to being passed.  

 

53 minutes ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

I think the best alternative is to have all those mags take a little "vacation"  out of state.. Find a place where you can store them out of state and then use them when you are in that state (or any state other than NJ). I gather PA is the more likely choice for most of you.

I keep thinking if Heritage Guild Easton (and any other PA ranges just over the border) don't put in a wall of small rentable lockers, they're bonkers. That would be easy money from the oppressed citizenry of New Jersey looking for a place to squirrel away their evil contraband.

4 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

I keep thinking if Heritage Guild Easton (and any other PA ranges just over the border) don't put in a wall of small rentable lockers, they're bonkers. That would be easy money from the oppressed citizenry of New Jersey looking for a place to squirrel away their evil contraband.

Precisely.   But do they have the space for it?  Evey inch of space there is utilized,  I believe.   Don't know how much they could devote towards it.

Some of you need a tampon , some of you need a high five.

do the make a sunscreen to protect against " yellow "?

I have no intention of complying.  First the Dem has to win.  Far from a certainty.  Second, they have to have the audacity to try to pass such a bill.  They probably do.... but...will there be a price to pay?

 

And someone find photos of Murphy getting funky with xxxx xxxxxx.  He's a Lib... surely xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

 

Dang it... Not the appropriate forum for that comment.

 

As far as Hollywood on his side....  Didn't work so well in GA-6.  Not even $25 Mill made a difference.  

 

 

9 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Some of you need a tampon , some of you need a high five.

do the make a sunscreen to protect against " yellow "?

Now, now!! Simmer down. The fact is that people will do whatever they're comfortable with... not with what you guilt them into. I'm guessing that's going to be a wide range of behavior depending on how compliant/non-compliant, worried/relaxed, or apolitical/activist each person might be. Some people will get them all pinned, some might get 1 or 2 pinned just to take to the range but keep the rest (unaltered) at home, some might stash them at a PA range they join, others (like you and Kevin) will apparently give a firm resounding  to authority figures.

I'm personally not going to question anyone else's choices. Each to their own. It's their dime, their principles, their risk. As long as they don't snitch on another gun owner like a little weenie, I have no problem with what anyone does. 

 

7 hours ago, Fred2 said:

Sooner or later, the SC is going to have to define the word Infringed.

Top gun hi five bro,

41 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Some of you need a tampon , some of you need a high five.

do the make a sunscreen to protect against " yellow "?

I believe the same object can satisfy all three requirements...

17 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

Now, now!! Simmer down. The fact is that people will do whatever they're comfortable with... not with what you guilt them into. I'm guessing that's going to be a wide range of behavior depending on how compliant/non-compliant, worried/relaxed, or apolitical/activist each person might be. Some people will get them all pinned, some might get 1 or 2 pinned just to take to the range but keep the rest (unaltered) at home, some might stash them at a PA range they join, others (like you and Kevin) will apparently give a firm resounding  to authority figures.

I'm personally not going to question anyone else's choices. Each to their own. It's their dime, their principles, their risk. As long as they don't snitch on another gun owner like a little weenie, I have no problem with what anyone does. 

 

Complying to what exactly? And for what reason?

2 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

I believe the same object can satisfy all three requirements...

Ok, that was funny

1 minute ago, Zeke said:

Complying to what exactly? And for what reason?

Well, frankly, I think this is all a bit premature really --- but suppose they do change magazine limits, what does that mean - legally? What would the corresponding "penalty" be if caught with one? A fine? Jail time? Will people find the risk worth the benefit? I'm just saying it's an individual choice, that's all. And it's each individual's to make.

7 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

Well, frankly, I think this is all a bit premature really --- but suppose they do change magazine limits, what does that mean - legally? What would the corresponding "penalty" be if caught with one? A fine? Jail time? Will people find the risk worth the benefit? I'm just saying it's an individual choice, that's all. And it's each individual's to make.

Who cares?

the American 's right over the river are jus better? Safer? Stronger? Faster?

the context of this thread defies logic.

as for simmer, who's the frog in the pot? Peel

Well well well...

I think Zeke's point, if I may be so presumptuous, is that nothing has happened yet and this thread has us dead and buried. 

People are making decisions on something that may, or may not, happen. We wear seat belts, but we don't check ourselves into a hospital because we are getting in a car. 

The point is that if those farmers, coopers, docksmen and lawyers 241 years ago had the same attitude, we'd actually know what kippers are and be fond of boiled meat. 

We are free men and women, with a natural right to self determination. If we disagree, get the hell off your memory foam seat and do something. Like changing your Facebook profile pic every time jihadists  slaughter innocents, it accomplishes nothing if you go back to kimye and dancing with the stars the next day. So if you are truly concerned, tell some one to vote. There are more of us than them, we just give up sooner. 

I wonder if there's a forum out there for people on the dole that's only accessible via a government issued laptop via SNAP, where they are hand wringing wondering if Kim will win and they will lose much more than a 15 round mag. 

Not a chance. Why? Because they are enslaved to their democratic masters and will dutifully carry their bale of cotton, oops I mean vote. We on the other hand do this. 

We were supposed to be in the 9th year of Hussein's reign, yet they are all besides themselves because there's one of us sitting in that Oval Office. Actually one of us with a couple of billion dollars. How fun is that? 

Remember the scene in Animal House where they are sunk and know they are getting thrown off campus? What does Bluto say? 

Toga toga toga...

DJT is our very own Bluto. 

Toga Toga Toga...

 

 

I like turtles

13 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Who cares?

the American 's right over the river are jus better? Safer? Stronger? Faster?

the context of this thread defies logic.

as for simmer, who's the frog in the pot? Peel

 

12 minutes ago, Walt of Destiny said:

Well well well...

I think Zeke's point, if I may be so presumptuous, is that nothing has happened yet and this thread has us dead and buried. 

People are making decisions on something that may, or may not, happen. We wear seat belts, but we don't check ourselves into a hospital because we are getting in a car. 

The point is that if those farmers, coopers, docksmen and lawyers 241 years ago had the same attitude, we'd actually know what kippers are and be fond of boiled meat. 

We are free men and women, with a natural right to self determination. If we disagree, get the hell off your memory foam seat and do something. Like changing your Facebook profile pic every time jihadists  slaughter innocents, it accomplishes nothing if you go back to kimye and dancing with the stars the next day. So if you are truly concerned, tell some one to vote. There are more of us than them, we just give up sooner. 

May I point out the obvious...? NOWHERE in this thread have I stated what I personally would or would not do. (Why would I spout that on an online forum?) And with all due respect, nor do any of you have a clue as to what organizations I may or may not belong to, whether I do or do not vote, or what my level of political activism is. If you knew all that, ummm... we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion (LOL). But, my reasonable knowledge of human nature tells me that IF Murphy's governorship does happen and lower magazine limits are passed... some will comply, some will not. Business owners in neighboring states would be wise to capitalize on those who wish to comply. Hellooooo??? What is so offensive about that? Sheesh.

 I appreciate that you're wrapped up in defiant fervor boys... I applaud it actually... but if others decide to fully comply, that's THEIR business. Hey, maybe some people are in an occupation where an arrest would be catastrophic to their career - everyone's risk profile is different. I'm not going to judge. That's all!

Mrs. Peel,

I'm so with you. My rather laborious point is that we should stop putting the cart before the horse. 

I too would never spew personal preferences or indictable whatever on a public forum. 

Ps this also isn't in the protected area, I just realized... 

it only takes one stiff rap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper for me to learn...

1 minute ago, Walt of Destiny said:

 

it only takes one stiff rap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper for me to learn...

Or a sunscreen soaked tampon. I think Zeke might have one he'll let you borrow

5 minutes ago, Walt of Destiny said:

it only takes one stiff rap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper for me to learn...

I love that quality in a man. (Ignore Voyager on this point... LMAO).

7 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

I love that quality in a man. (Ignore Voyager on this point... LMAO).

Seriously?  You have to admit this thread has taken on the karmatic quality of a used tampon.