January 26, 20188 yr I was just reading though this one Christie signed on his way out. It looks like Stun guns are illegal again: Under "Prohibited weapons" " h. Stun guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any stun gun is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree." http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2016/Bills/S3500/3477_I1.HTM I thought the last SCOTUS ruling cleared up that they couldn't ban Stun guns? Am I reading this wrong? -Jim
January 26, 20188 yr The underlined text is what was added by this bill. I believe the section you quoted has always been there (and what was ruled unconstitutional)
January 26, 20188 yr Author 1 minute ago, voyager9 said: The underlined text is what was added by this bill. I believe the section you quoted has always been there (and what was ruled unconstitutional) That's what I was thinking but leaving it in a new bill that was just signed again just puts a unconstitutional law back in place. It should have been removed before being signed into law. The outgoing AG made the decision to put out guidance to not pursue that law based on SCOTUS which usually means it is remanded back to the assembly for a new law to be rewritten. The incoming AG can change that guidance and enforce the law then wait for it to bubble up to a court challenge if he wants to. In the meantime it's still law until it is removed or counteracted by a later enacted law specifically referencing it as far as I know. This is a later enacted law affirming the old law so they can say in court they reviewed it and found it proper even if they lose in the long run. Just being on a signed law, even an illegal one, may stop people from buying one because of confusion over the law, which NJ is known for. Maybe I am being a little paranoid but I've lived in NJ for a while so they no longer get the benefit of doubt. The NJ assembly being what it is, it just seems like the kind of BS they would pull. -Jim
January 26, 20188 yr 1 hour ago, JimB1 said: ...Maybe I am being a little paranoid but I've lived in NJ for a while so they no longer get the benefit of doubt. The NJ assembly being what it is, it just seems like the kind of BS they would pull. As someone wise said, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really after you. Given that bill (now law) was sponsored by our own Three Stooges, anything could be possible. But no worry. The stun gun prohibition was found to be unconstitutional, but it's still in the statute. Maybe some of them think we'll forget. Wouldn't surprise me one little bit.
January 26, 20188 yr keeping the unlawful part in is typical of NJ's practice of intimidation & confusion, always keeping the "what if" aspect out there.
January 28, 20188 yr I say a prayer every night for a gas line rupture and subsequent explosion during a democratic state Senate meeting with those three in attendance.
January 28, 20188 yr 1 hour ago, ChrisJM981 said: I say a prayer every night for a gas line rupture and subsequent explosion during a democratic state Senate meeting with those three in attendance. Remember, Remember the 5th of November.
February 18, 20188 yr Laws found to be unconstitutional are rarely actually repealed - they many times stay on the books but are not enforced because the Court won't enforce it, or the Court has an injunction in place forbidding enforcement. An example: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1465 Yes, that is still on the books. That being said, I would really like to know if prosecutors in NJ have given up on banning stun guns, or are they trying to come up with some sort of argument that they can prosecute possession of them some other way. Has anyone been arrested for possession of one since late October of last year?
February 18, 20188 yr 12 minutes ago, kman said: Laws found to be unconstitutional are rarely actually repealed - they many times stay on the books but are not enforced because the Court won't enforce it, or the Court has an injunction in place forbidding enforcement. An example: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1465 Yes, that is still on the books. That being said, I would really like to know if prosecutors in NJ have given up on banning stun guns, or are they trying to come up with some sort of argument that they can prosecute possession of them some other way. Has anyone been arrested for possession of one since late October of last year? Yes, an individual in Medford N.J.. used in defense of road rage, charged. Then dropped to municipal court. @JohnnyB Ive posted the article and the update. In cateano ( sp?) the scotus was very clear. laws on the books? Still laws bout horse drawn sleigh without bells in this state.
February 18, 20188 yr On 1/28/2018 at 5:28 PM, voyager9 said: Remember, Remember the 5th of November. You can do all the remembering you want. But if the don’t get off their lazy asses and actually vote then all the memories in the world won’t help. I hear people bitching about Gov. Beaver Face more and more. But the fact still remains he’s in because of poor turnout at the polls.
February 18, 20188 yr 22 minutes ago, BobA said: You can do all the remembering you want. But if the don’t get off their lazy asses and actually vote then all the memories in the world won’t help. I hear people bitching about Gov. Beaver Face more and more. But the fact still remains he’s in because of poor turnout at the polls. And people are leaving.. can’t vote if you don’t RESIDE here...
February 19, 20188 yr They will leave it in the law and challenge in court if necessary. Then they just amend the laws covering handguns to include stun guns. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
February 19, 20188 yr Remember, Remember the 5th of November. Ooo! Oooo! “V” Right? [emoji6]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
February 19, 20188 yr 38 minutes ago, bhunted said: Ooo! Oooo! “V” Right? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ya. Good movie
February 19, 20188 yr 14 hours ago, Zeke said: Yes, an individual in Medford N.J.. used in defense of road rage, charged. Then dropped to municipal court. @JohnnyB Ive posted the article and the update. In cateano ( sp?) the scotus was very clear. laws on the books? Still laws bout horse drawn sleigh without bells in this state. Where can we find out more about this? Can you re-post the links? I can't find them.
February 19, 20188 yr 10 hours ago, kman said: Where can we find out more about this? Can you re-post the links? I can't find them. last Page
February 20, 20188 yr 13 hours ago, kman said: Where can we find out more about this? Can you re-post the links? I can't find them. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courierpostonline.com/amp/441443001 I guess we can carry them but the rules of discharge are yet to be defined.
February 20, 20188 yr 27 minutes ago, BobA said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courierpostonline.com/amp/441443001 I guess we can carry them but the rules of discharge are yet to be defined. Expect an assault charge.
February 20, 20188 yr Then make sure you’re justified. You can’t go around willy nilly tazing people.
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