Maksim

Oh, haha.... so we should do a 4th of July party here... we usually have a few neighbors that go nuts with fireworks!

You are correct, let me rephrase... judgments. =) In previous cases that I looked up, the companies settled and I assume paid up.

Aren't they legal in NJ now? Or the good stuff isn't still?

So I looked up a few of the previous cases that CA and San Francisco brought up against companies selling "magazine repair kits," aka a complete mag taken apart. Those companies, none of which were located in California, all decided to settle and agreed to pay a $23k fine. I am fairly positive NFA will end up doing the same thing... agree not to sell to NJ and will end up paying a fine.

I was just looking for videos of this... With 147 grain subsonic, and the can... it should be around 118 db. VERY quiet for a 9mm can. An AR-15 bolt cycling is around that level. "Hearing Safe" is 140 db.

hehe, with Nick's subsonic ammo... stoooopid quiet. Cool... Yes... As cool as.... Maybe?

And this is precisely the reason I want that gun so bad.... it is just sooo good as a suppressor host.

I would say you don't know what a good trigger is. =) The few P320s I shot... eh. Yes, it is short reset and fairly light... but also very mushy and felt very plasticky. The Sig P365 had a much better trigger than the P320s. And in the striker fired pistols... I would say off of the top of my head, the Walther PPQ and clones and a few of the worked Glock triggers are nicer than P320. You can come play with some if you want. In the sig lineup... a nicely tuned P226 SRT trigger is really really nice. Sig P320 has its pros, and there are quite a few of them, but for me, the trigger is not one of them... besides, it goes off if you look at it the wrong way. =P

The travesty... 1911 is God's gift to the gun world. Best triggers possible are on 1911s. Second best, a nicely tuned CZ 75 variant. Thanks for the reminder... I have the can waiting in ATF jail waiting for the tax stamp to clear and I have the spacer and adapter downstairs... Ugh, only 5 more months to go? Hoping to have before December. lol.

I have had reliability issues with the baby eagles... and it depends on which generation. Just get a CZ or a Beretta 92FS... though I really don't like slide mounted safeties... frame is better, at least in my opinion.

Just as Griz mentioned. My other reason and likely won't matter for many but does matter a lot to a few is that mags that are modified, have to be "permanently modified," as such, many of the neutered mags are blocked, pinned and sealed, meaning you are not going to be able to take your magazines apart of cleaning. For most shooters this will not be an issue, BUT if you take any training classes or start playing gun games (IDPA, USPSA, Steel, fun shoots), you will be dropping your mags to the ground and they will get dirty and you will need to clean them. I have yet to see any 10 round mags that off of the top of my head, cannot be opened for cleaning. Furthermore, it is a "factory 10 round magazine... it says so on the box/packaging." It is a far better defense than about whether a mag is modified to a good enough legal definition. Also for resale, I would be hesitant to purchase modified mags, especially if I do not know who did it and how it was done. Factory is factory.

I agree that they did not break the law but are they innocent? And of course by having website accseible to NJ residents and taking orders from NJ residents are they not soliciting business? I don't know. i don't think they were entrapped at all so there is back end payout... otherwise previous cases would have paid out. keep in mind, this is not the first retailer to get sued. I did not check on the health of the previous ones that got sued but the manufacturers and retailers I spoke with recently, are in no way planning on making themselves targets. is Brownells, Cabelas, PSA, AIM or others selling 30 rounders to NJ? And they have bigger legal budgets. If it was good for business every major online retailer would sell into ban states yet they choose to follow local laws. again I don't agree on mag limits, but brushing this off as a no big deal and that they did not break laws is not wise. this is not simply about gun laws, or will not end up being, but rather if online retailers will have to follow local laws of where they have the site accessible.

Define shoot better? I think it will depend on what you are looking for? CZs will generally be more accurate, part of the reason why is the full length internal rail. This also gets the slide a tad lower so they shoot well. Biggest complaint that you will find on CZs is that they are either smaller frame (if you got big paws), and because the slide is not massive, tougher to manipulate it for malfunctions, etc. Sig P226 series, and I suppose same for 229 and 220... they are very accurate guns and very low on recoil. I shot the Sig P226 USPSA edition. My biggest complaint was the grip, the decocker just gets in the way, and the slide is sooo massive, there is more muzzle flip than necessary and the gun cycles super slow (won't be an issue for 95% of people... just saying why it is not as popular in gun games). Would I trust my life to one? Sure... but I have yet to get that urge that screams... "Gee, I regret selling a Sig P226" or "I wish this was more like a Sig P226/229/220" Beretta 92/M9 is nice accurate gun, I do not currently own one but learned to shoot on one and really like the M9A3 I had a chance to shoot. I know reliability with that open slide is sometimes an issue and stock triggers can use some improvement... in either case, they do suffer the "small side" issue for manipulation and the grip is a tad large for me. In either case, I don't believe an M9 does anything better than a CZ75 variant can't do. I think it also depends on caliber. With a 9mm, it is small enough that enough weight in the frame can really mitigate the muzzle rise and let the gun cycle faster. With my 40 s&w... it is a polymer frame SVI, at first I hated it, especially coming from a steel Tanfoglio... then I stopped fighting the recoil and just let the gun cycle and let the recoil work with me and it opened up new opportunities. So that's my take on it... going to be different for everyone. But in short, CZ is popular not just because of the weight, but the ultimate package of ergonomics, accuracy, shootability. This year though, found the Zev OZ9 and so far, it has enough to make me leave the CZ. Steel frame, but polymer grip applied to a Glock platform. Flat shooting but not super heavy. Here are both side by side.

Thanks, Yep, $1k street. Looks great, shoots well, if you like the chassis look.

Will clarify. I am a big fan of all metal guns and why I love 1911s and my CZs. The Q5 SF match just felt like an overweight pig, particularly during transitions... they took a gun designed to be a polymer gun and made it into a steel frame... So I really like the Q5... just not the Q5 SF... but there will be plenty who want to buy the Q5 SF just because it is not a CZ. =) The Q5 SF just did not seem balanced well, by that I mean shooting balance between enough weight to reduce muzzle climb and being light enough to transition from target to target. And of course the price... great value for $1,000.... $1,500 is more difficult to justify and there are other better options out there at that price point.

I am really liking the Beretta M9A3... the Walther Q5 SF match... eh. Was way too heavy. And it is still not as good as a CZ SP01, especially a custom shop model at that price point. But seriously... 1911.

They are not available from distributors?

Must be the clickbait. lol. Or folks not used to seeing me in Adidas. lol. I will say, super meme but it is comfortable.

What mags are you looking for that are not available in 10 rounds? NJ was unique with 15 round limits as for guns like Glock 17, it was either 10 rounds or 17... Pretty much every hand gun has 10 round magazines available. In either case, I would much rather have factory 10 rounders than neutered/modified 10 rounders for various reasons.

So here is the timeline for those too lazy to read the full complaint. August 2nd, 2018 - UC places an order for 3 30 round PMAGS. UC sent email asking them to confirm the order and they said they were processing it. August 6th, 2018 - UC picks up package. January 7th, AG issued a cease and desist letter demanding NFA stop advertising, selling and shipping standard capacity mags to NJ. They also warned NFA to stop within 15 days or they would be facing legal action. January 22nd, NFA stated they had not sold standard capacity mags in prior 90 days and notified the distribution staff of new jersey laws and added a statement to the website. (Did they really not know NJ is a banned state?) May 23rd, UC ordered a 15 round Glock 19 mag, Lancer 30 round AR mags, and a KCI 100 round Drum. NFA then confirmed the order and sent email it is being shipped and gave a USPS tracking number. So they had multiple opportunities to merely walk away with their hand slapped. The more effective thing would be to say... "We are following all NV laws, go pound sand." IF they were going for the no federal laws thing. If they are going to try and fight this, this will surely be hundreds of thousands of dollars while their business gets hurt and so do their customers. Or who knows, maybe GOA or NRA is behind this and was waiting for this lawsuit?

So in reality... NO... the sale did not take place in Nevada... the sale took place in California, where the computer servers are located. This is a much bigger issue than simply whether an out of state company needs to follow local laws. Where this is all being focused right now is why online retailers are collecting sales taxes for states which let's be honest, almost no one declared on their tax returns. In short... the theory is, if you are advertising in a certain place, you are conducting business there, you are responsible for those local laws. Once again, NO ONE is talking about a NJ resident going to Nevada to buy mags... but rather this is a company allowing sales to NJ residents, despite knowing they were not allowed in NJ and saying they were going to stop that. They were willingly accepting money from people for products they knew they could not legally own and then sent them via USPS. Speaking with a few manufacturers since this came out, both were dumbfounded they were still shipping mags after the first cease desist. I would hope that this is NFA deciding to take a stand and fight... but I don't believe this is why. This will be interesting to follow but I don't think this is going to end well for NFA...

Get a 1911. In either case the list is short at this point. Beretta 92, CZ75, Sigs, BHP, all the CZ clones. And then a whole bunch of mil surplus.

Lol, my EWR story is getting the lecture for having a small box of 5 safety blades for my razor.... had to toss them. When I arrived in Vegas I discovered they missed an HK pocket knife in my messenger bag.

Lol. No, unfortunately for NfA, them sending 100 round AR drums to a NJ residence despite saying they wouldn’t, is not made up. I did speak with with two different manufacturers in the last 24 hours and both were shocked NfA defied the cease and desist. I don’t see too many people coming in to defend NfA. I do think there is a big case about not releasing records, and I hope they don’t, but trying to fight selling 100rnd drums to NJ will be an uphill battle.

half a case? So how many rounds? The thing is... it is not $100 more... you are comparing an "on sale" price of a Heritage and not taking into account the transfer fees, and comparing it to a full sticker firearm. The difference between the two today is about $50. For the $50 you are getting a lifetime warranty, a USA made gun, much better finish on the gun and a better brand. Is that worth $50? YOU BET! It is even worth $100 or more difference. What other 22lr quality revolver are you going to get for under $300? Btw, I hope you shoot the Heritage in 22lr only. In some independent testing, with 22 WMR the guns started cracking cylinders around 5,000 rounds. Literally, the price difference is two bricks of ammo. This is partly why every FFL/distributor is begging to get more guns in. The heritage is a great value for $150... but the Wrangler is a MUCH BETTER value for just a few bucks more. We are not comparing a Heritage vs a $600 Smith 617. =)