Maksim

lol. I know of a few people who bought theirs for $200 from local vendors here. Maybe they will post here. Beyond that, Ruger is targeting a $200 price point on these. Yes, you may have a few dealers charging more... because they can... there is a huge demand for them and short supply for now, distributors are not giving out too many. MSRP is $249. @Krdshrk

If you are legally purchasing a firearm in NJ, you should have a pistol permit for all of the guns that you bought. In either case, if one of them was lost at some point, pistol permits have 4 copies... 1 for state, 1 for buyer, 1 for seller and 1 for your town. Even if all 4 are lost, that gun is logged in your FFL's log book. There is a paper trail for all guns there.

If that 4th gun was purchased in Newark on the streets and used in crimes... yes you may have an issue. In general, if you legally purchased a gun, you are fine. Some people will drive around with a copy of their pistol permits in the case, others will not. But there are plenty of people who acquired guns while living in other states and then moved to NJ.

You can buy that for around $200 at FFLs... they are NOT charging you the transfer fee... just NICS. And I think once availability gets better, you will see these for around $175.

+transfer + nics.... So your savings are $50 tops. There is a big difference between them... lifetime warranty and actually reliable and safe. =)

Was that the stuff we shot outdoors that day that was stupid quiet? Or was that different ammo?

Can we put this on a t-Shirt? =) @jasonx the above is perhaps the BEST way to summarize what most people are trying to say.

Just wondering... have you ever shot/rented handguns at a range yet? I think once you do... you will have different questions. =) And generally recoil is not what makes it easier or harder to hit a target... it is lack of training with a firearm. Not all recoil is bad but in general, a 9mm will not give you issues with follow up shots. You are not shooting a 357 magnum revolver with a 10 lb double action pull out of a snubby.

IF NFA has a hard enough time updating their website to flag NJ orders and allegedly does not have technology to track orders past 90 days... do you think they have the budget to fight NJ, or even multiple states? I don't know but I doubt any of the other companies sued into oblivion survived?

In that case the noise and muzzle flash will not make a difference anyway. Only thing that would be hearing safe WITHOUT a suppressor would be like a 22lr shooting cci quiet (borderline) or CB caps, etc. Will wait for an LEO expert to chime in here but generally, IIRC in those situations, your body automatically "shuts down" hearing expecting it, or something like that. If you want quiet and no muzzle flash, move to America and get a suppressor. Otherwise, work within the guidelines. The reason I mentioned recoil is because you did.

Yes... I do think the issue needs to be resolved. Although I am afraid New Frontier Armory will likely close up shop before that happens.

Jason, Just wondering... do you have hand or wrist issues that you are worried about the recoil?

NP. =P Thanks for merging them!

So while Nick was merging I lost my saved draft... Here is the thing, they said they were complying... NFA then sold on May 23rd. The problem for them is, if they feel secure, I don't believe anyone has yet won against NY, NJ, CA in these types of suits. And it should not be difficult at all for a company like NFA to update their site to flag orders to banned states. And pretty much lying about not having records going past 90 days? lol. Feeling secure would be taking a position... "We are a NV corporation and are not subject to NJ laws." but saying you are going to comply and then apparently not doing anything about it? Or perhaps word got around that they would ship non-compliant stuff to ban states? This is already national news and I would not be surprised if CT, NY, CA and others join in.

YEP.

So here is the official complaint... https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/New-Frontier-Armory-Verified-Complaint.pdf In short... UC purchased AR mags and others. They were shipped to NJ. NJ sent a letter to NFA, they said they are complying and redesigning site. Early this year, another UC bought a 100 round drum, some AR mags, etc... they were shipped USPS.

So from your own link.... Entrapment vs. Opportunity The key aspect of entrapment is this: Government agents do not entrap defendants simply by offering them an opportunity to commit a crime. Judges expect people to resist any ordinary temptation to violate the law. An entrapment defense arises when government agents resort to repugnant behavior such as the use of threats, harassment, fraud, or even flattery to induce defendants to commit crimes. From what we know... and is being reported... NJ sent NFA a Cease and Desist.... they did not.

Bob, Again, I ask to keep your colorful racist comments to yourself. But I do ask... how is this entrapment? I don't think anyone here read the case file? Did anyone force NFA to sell the mags to the UC? OR did UC likely just find the NFA website did not prevent sale of standard capacity mags to NJ residents and then did nothing to block the sale when reviewing it?

Yep. Definitely a sticky situation but has anyone actually succeeded in such state suits before? Anyone successful in selling mags or repair kits to CA? Will reach out to NFA and try to find out... though I think they are going to "No Comment" right now.

Obviously they are not... but I think there is a disconnect? This was not someone coming in to Nevada and purchasing mags... This was a NJ resident, from NJ, sitting in NJ, ordering from a company in Nevada, and they shipped a prohibited item to NJ. The issue is, on their website they list that high capacity mags are prohibited... so why did they ship them? Personally I think it is negligence and hoping they did not do it willfully or were that stupid to. Interstate commerce... and the whole sticky issue of the internet... So what we have is that they are a Nevada company. They sold to a NJ Resident... their "website" is located in California (cloudflare servers ip). Of course, I think capacity magazine limits are stupid... BUT you are also stupid to knowingly fall for this crap especially when you are likely to get busted for not collecting sales taxes and you KNOW states like NJ, NY and California do these sting buys... AND they had success getting records in the past.

A nail that sticks out gets hammered! NFA is one of those companies that stuck out... leave it at that. lol. It's Vegas! This is going to be more prevalent with the whole nexus rules. In essence, if you are selling to a state, in sufficient volume you are then deemed to have presence in that state and thus are subject to its laws. That's what NJ is pushing I suppose. In any case, this push is not new... most recently we had this with the bump stock manufacturers.

The fact that they SHIPPED the magazines.... not that a NJ resident came in and picked up mags from their store in NV. In either case, will be merging with another post that came out of this.

I am both shocked and not shocked by this... particularly being NFA. I am dumbfounded they allowed sale of standard capacity mags to a NJ Resident. I do wonder if this was knowingly sold... ie. I know I can't buy them, but can you ship them to me pretty please anyway? OR... this was simply a website that was not designed to flag NJ and restricted states? NFA is a fairly young company so in that sense does not shock me. What is quite disturbing and this will most definitely happen...

So just bought the Apache case and can compare with my SKB.... Apache is okay... but it does scream "Cheap" versus the SKB. Crappy latches, crappy fit and finish, the retaining clip for the pressure relief valve fell off the first time I tried to unscrew it, stickers are barely staying on. Inside and out... just no comparison between the two and I even picked the nicest one at HF. Is it worth the $10 (coupon price)? Yes... on its own merits... (this was for the small 1800 case).... BUT if you compare the two... and you are storing anything valuable there... I would spend $20 more and get an SKB/Nanuk/Pelican.

I think that would be an interesting case... You are then saying you have no responsibility to know what is legal and what is not? Or in essence... you bought a gun on the last day with 15 round limits before they went to 10. Now the limits are 10 and you still have 15 round mags. Whose fault is it? Yours? Or the Dealers? For the time being, however long this may be, these types of firearms ARE legal... Of course, this is NJ and you must understand how fine of a line these guns are made for... and as we have seen in the past, the AG can easily come out with another interpretation of what is compliant and what is not. While you would hope the dealers are up to date and reach out in case the guns are no longer compliant, it is ultimately your responsibility. While these new non-nfa firearms are currently legal, we all know the state of NJ and there will without a doubt be calls about this... from non-believers and MANY FFLs. If you want to risk it, or have money to lose, then go ahead and get one as soon as you can. Most people here will likely tell you and agree with me that this is not likely to last too long and either an AG will come down on this OR NJ will redefine gun definitions. As a reminder, they run the entire government... they can do it. So I give it a year, tops (if they have to go the legislative route). Keep in mind, unlike the silly M1 Carbine... these guns are the holy culmination of all that is despised by NJ... short barrel, flash hiders, pistol brace, over weight limit, small enough to conceal in a backpack and oh yes... evil looking. So if you want to taste freedom and give NJ an FU... go out and buy one as soon as you can... just know that 1. you will attract A LOT of attention at the gun ranges and 2. It may be a temporary purchase. By temporary I mean like California people quickly rushing out to buy 30 round mags before they appeal was put back in place and back to 10 round limits.